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blacksheeplogic:

--- Quote from: PKTKS on November 13, 2021, 09:11:27 am ---
--- Quote from: BradC on November 13, 2021, 08:47:37 am ---*Exactly* like Windows.

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Never was a surprise...
SYSTEMD thinghy is conceived to implement windooze mimimcs in nix
The POTTERIX system is meant as a compatible layer thrown in the wild
Remove user from boot
Allow a fast vm with wayland piped GUI
PUF MAGIC CORPORATE KIOSKS...
just like same old 30y of shit

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Sure we can bang on about Windows and Systemd, but let's not forget about Arch.
cortex_m0:

--- Quote from: james_s on November 12, 2021, 10:49:00 pm ---Volvo died years ago and exists now in name only. ...  They started turning into bloated luxury cars in the late 90s and turned completely away from the focus on extremely practical, rugged, long lasting and safe cars that they were legendary for making.

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That coincides nicely with Volvo being acquired by Ford Motor Co. in 1998.

I absolutely agree with the touchscreen thing. I haven't been able to re-set my car's clock for Standard Time because the touch screen has developed some dead spots at  6 years old. The good news is I only need to use the touch screen for a few functions, like changing the time zone and resetting the service needed light. Haven't yet tried to check what it would take to repair/replace the touch screen.
IDEngineer:

--- Quote from: james_s on November 12, 2021, 10:42:37 pm ---When the behavior of modern software is virtually indistinguishable from that of malware and viruses I'll take my chances.
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Upvoted as "Computing Quote of the Year"!  :)

Besides all the other valid comments on this topic herein: I look at how I intend to use the tool, and weigh that against the advantages/disadvantages of whatever "upgrade" is being proposed. In my case, the tools I use run fine on Win7. I also know how to fine tune Win7 to do what I want - and not to do a lot of what I don't want (example: At rest, Task Manager reports a grand total of 41 processes on my workstations). I could give all that up for Win10/11 and gain... what? More intrusiveness, less control? How does that move my marker forward?

Oh yeah, Win10/11 "gives" you random resets and dead time too, often at the least convenient times. Literally as I've been typing this my wife, across the lab at her desk, just let out some choice words because her Win10 laptop just decided to "upgrade" again. Right when she needs to send some things to people.

Maybe Microsoft needs to ship two versions of their operating systems: The "For Dummies" version and the "Take your Chances" version. I'd gladly pay - extra - for the latter if it meant they'd leave MY optimizations alone and not open a bunch of outbound TCP sockets to somewhere.

I just want a tool. One that does what I need, in the manner I configure it, with no extra hands "helping me" changing settings and updating files. The fact that all of my systems run Win7 SP1 and I have yet to find anything that even slightly tempts me to move to anything later is a huge, HUGE clue that creeping featurism isn't always an advantage. Quite the contrary.
Berni:

--- Quote from: cortex_m0 on November 13, 2021, 09:52:42 pm ---
--- Quote from: james_s on November 12, 2021, 10:49:00 pm ---Volvo died years ago and exists now in name only. ...  They started turning into bloated luxury cars in the late 90s and turned completely away from the focus on extremely practical, rugged, long lasting and safe cars that they were legendary for making.

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That coincides nicely with Volvo being acquired by Ford Motor Co. in 1998.

I absolutely agree with the touchscreen thing. I haven't been able to re-set my car's clock for Standard Time because the touch screen has developed some dead spots at  6 years old. The good news is I only need to use the touch screen for a few functions, like changing the time zone and resetting the service needed light. Haven't yet tried to check what it would take to repair/replace the touch screen.

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Yeah Volvo is not what it used to be and Ford definitely left its mark on it. Now that they are owned by the Chinese they seam to have gotten a bit better in terms of luxury cars, but the high tech user experience is also moving towards the user experience of a cheep noname brand Chinese oscilloscope.


--- Quote from: IDEngineer on November 13, 2021, 10:09:43 pm ---
--- Quote from: james_s on November 12, 2021, 10:42:37 pm ---When the behavior of modern software is virtually indistinguishable from that of malware and viruses I'll take my chances.
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I just want a tool. One that does what I need, in the manner I configure it, with no extra hands "helping me" changing settings and updating files. The fact that all of my systems run Win7 SP1 and I have yet to find anything that even slightly tempts me to move to anything later is a huge, HUGE clue that creeping featurism isn't always an advantage. Quite the contrary.

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This is the exact problem i have with Win 10. It doesn't actually provide me with any new functionality i would find useful. I like sticking with something until i have a reason to upgrade. I kept using Win 2000 for quite a few years into the Win XP era since it could do pretty much everything that Win 2000 did while Win2k ran great even on old outdated hardware. Skipped Vista for obvious reasons, but then when Win7 came out i was so impressed with the step forward it made from Win XP that i actually installed the free Win7 RC1 release candidate on my main machine and was actually positively surprised. Most of the hardware worked out of the box, some quick tweaks got the rest working, it ran fast it looked nice, the new menus actually made sense, there ware tons of quality of life improvements like the new taskbar, snapping windows etc... And yet i was not even using the final version and there ware no bugs to be seen. It quickly became my new favorite OS, years down the line it has also proved to be reliable, continuing to run without issues even after years of crap have accumulated on it. Pretty much never needed to reinstall it because something broke badly like it happened here or there in WinXP with daily driver machines.

Then we have Win 8 that way basically Windows redesigned for a touchscreen tablet OS but still running on a desktop computer for 99% of the user base, screw that. Then Win 10 comes along and fixes some of that but keeps swanky useless setting menus that don't actually let you set much, sends your data back to be sold by Microsoft, constantly has updates that introduce bugs every so often, introduces a app store just so Microsoft could milk app developers for a cut of the cake, the whole thing feels so polished it feels like an Alpha release version of a OS. On top of that it has the ugly graphical refinement of Win 3.1 while at the same time being more resource intensive than Win7, how the heck?! All of this while coming with 0 features that make it more useful than Win7, apart from not being affected by forced obsolescence because drivers and modern games are made to only support Win10
David Hess:

--- Quote from: VK3DRB on November 13, 2021, 06:25:55 am ---One major flaw with Windows is there is nothing to tell you then the operating system has actually completed its boot-up. Linux has never had that problem.
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Windows actually lies about it.  Some modules are delayed until after the desktop is started to make it seem like the boot time is faster than it really is.  Microsoft implemented this behavior to improve benchmarks.
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