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| coppercone2:
--- Quote from: raptor1956 on September 02, 2018, 08:51:27 pm ---Speaking of the "why" aspect probably the most likely in the Cuba situation would be to prevent or deter the US from closer relations with Cuba. Attack the US embassy in this way and hope the US blames Cuba. The goal, if this was the strategy, would be to prevent closer relations between the US and Cuba. The current US admin has already moved to undo some of the easing that took place in the prior admin though I doubt the attack on the embassy played a major role in this change as Cuba has, since the late 50s, always been a political football in the US. So, without knowing what really happened the fact that brain scans indicate damage suggests something did in fact happen. This is not likely the work of a disgruntled Cuban intelligence officer bent on attacking the US, where would that person get something capable of doing what appears has in fact happened. I'm not fully convinced on the microwave idea, but I wouldn't say its impossible either. Brian --- End quote --- Also I thought of this: Cuba is cooperating, meaning its wasting its police and investigatory forces if it staged the attack. So you have to wonder, if Putin paying off the Cuban government with some kind of slush fund? If no immediate steps were taken, does the Cuban government really trust the Russian government enough to 'spot' some kind of benefit in the future? If they did not get an immediate payoff of some kind, they defiantly know they can get completely ripped off. They know America can hurt them real bad if they decide to do something like a full naval blockade. That means you have a bunch of high tech equipment and operatives that have highly classified information in Cuba. If the government is not cooperating then you are more likely to get captured. For a false flag its really out there IMO. Ok, assuming they attacked people in their houses and attacked the embassy, this means what, you either go through customs with like 100 people over how long a period? smuggling in equipment slowly... Or, you notice the Cuban government is really shitty, so you find a bunch of special forces that look like they belong there indiginously (good luck Russia or china, where the fuck are you gonna find trust worthy mercenaries or internal forces that won't stand out in Spanish Cuba), use an operative or computer hackers to generate a bunch of false identities and move them in using a submarine. Then what, do they slowly immigrate out? stay there the rest of their lives? disappear back on a submarine? I doubt they could just use old spies for this, because any of them could be compromised, and this would be super juicy. Cuba is mad poor, the resources they have towards anti curruption and police work are already pretty low, the cuban goverment knows that if its wasting its own guys on cooperating with the FBI when they know its bogus, criminal activity will prosper... so for a poor country like that, its shooting yourself in the foot... does not make sense unless their compensated some how. Plus the police are very busy running a police state to prevent cuban freedom movements from getting strong. The FBI will probably notice if they are doing a half assed job. I still think its too crazy to be some kind of physics based attack. Poison maybe, a squad of a few people could break into a bunch of houses and poison food I guess. It would need to be well planned but you would need much less people then to maintain a buncha secret equipment all over the fucking place. Russia sure likes poison. They can probably engineer something with a time delay. But this would require some kind of novel poison. |
| Bud:
If there is something mad in this story than this is your ideas. |
| raptor1956:
--- Quote from: coppercone2 on September 03, 2018, 02:41:55 am --- --- Quote from: raptor1956 on September 02, 2018, 08:51:27 pm ---Speaking of the "why" aspect probably the most likely in the Cuba situation would be to prevent or deter the US from closer relations with Cuba. Attack the US embassy in this way and hope the US blames Cuba. The goal, if this was the strategy, would be to prevent closer relations between the US and Cuba. The current US admin has already moved to undo some of the easing that took place in the prior admin though I doubt the attack on the embassy played a major role in this change as Cuba has, since the late 50s, always been a political football in the US. So, without knowing what really happened the fact that brain scans indicate damage suggests something did in fact happen. This is not likely the work of a disgruntled Cuban intelligence officer bent on attacking the US, where would that person get something capable of doing what appears has in fact happened. I'm not fully convinced on the microwave idea, but I wouldn't say its impossible either. Brian --- End quote --- Also I thought of this: Cuba is cooperating, meaning its wasting its police and investigatory forces if it staged the attack. So you have to wonder, if Putin paying off the Cuban government with some kind of slush fund? If no immediate steps were taken, does the Cuban government really trust the Russian government enough to 'spot' some kind of benefit in the future? If they did not get an immediate payoff of some kind, they defiantly know they can get completely ripped off. They know America can hurt them real bad if they decide to do something like a full naval blockade. That means you have a bunch of high tech equipment and operatives that have highly classified information in Cuba. If the government is not cooperating then you are more likely to get captured. For a false flag its really out there IMO. Ok, assuming they attacked people in their houses and attacked the embassy, this means what, you either go through customs with like 100 people over how long a period? smuggling in equipment slowly... Or, you notice the Cuban government is really shitty, so you find a bunch of special forces that look like they belong there indiginously (good luck Russia or china, where the fuck are you gonna find trust worthy mercenaries or internal forces that won't stand out in Spanish Cuba), use an operative or computer hackers to generate a bunch of false identities and move them in using a submarine. Then what, do they slowly immigrate out? stay there the rest of their lives? disappear back on a submarine? I doubt they could just use old spies for this, because any of them could be compromised, and this would be super juicy. Cuba is mad poor, the resources they have towards anti curruption and police work are already pretty low, the cuban goverment knows that if its wasting its own guys on cooperating with the FBI when they know its bogus, criminal activity will prosper... so for a poor country like that, its shooting yourself in the foot... does not make sense unless their compensated some how. Plus the police are very busy running a police state to prevent cuban freedom movements from getting strong. The FBI will probably notice if they are doing a half assed job. I still think its too crazy to be some kind of physics based attack. Poison maybe, a squad of a few people could break into a bunch of houses and poison food I guess. It would need to be well planned but you would need much less people then to maintain a buncha secret equipment all over the fucking place. Russia sure likes poison. They can probably engineer something with a time delay. But this would require some kind of novel poison. --- End quote --- It is possible that the noise and other things were theater to cover the use of a chemical agent of some kind -- you know, a diversion. And, as you rightly point out, Russia is not averse to using chemical or even radioactive agents to harm/kill people. The thing with Putin's Russia though is that they like the world to know they did it hence the use of agents no street criminal can get there hands on, but in this case they, if they were involved, they have made no effort at all to say they did it unless the measures used is the signature. But, you have to recognize the signature. The fact that there are many people effected and some exhibit damage to there brains suggest that something indeed is going on, but just what is being used and by whom is in my mind -- not settled. The idea that Russia might wish to keep the US from becoming too friendly with Cuba is, perhaps, the most reasonable reason does tend to point a finger at them, but absent something more definitive as a cause there's too little to go on and too many possibilities. The only other culprit that comes to mind might be Venezuela, but one would think they are not quite in the spy-versus-spy league as is Russia, the UK and the USA. Brian |
| vk6zgo:
--- Quote from: Kleinstein on September 01, 2018, 07:52:41 pm ---A microwave weapon is not really practical: due to the rather large wavelength, there is no such thing like a really focused beam, unless one uses a huge antenna. The usual 70 cm satellite dishes have an opening angle in the 3 degree range at 12 GHz. Something like a 5 m dish is difficult to hide and handle. For the sicknesses, chances are high it's some chemical or biological thing, like contaminated/spoiled food or a virus. Even just the fear caused by rumors could cause psychological problems up to a self fulfilling fear. --- End quote --- Microwave dishes are normally used to either convert what is near enough a "point source" into, effectively, parallel rays or vice versa. The only place they are focused is at the feedpoint, so they would have to get the victims to place their heads accurately inside the dish! Normal masonry walls attenuate microwaves quite heavily, so you'd need a lot of power. People move around, so, even if you somehow solved the "focusing" problem, you are stuck with tracking them. Blasting hard earned microwave energy into an empty floor of a building would be a bit self defeating. Surely this is a case were the much maligned "tinfoil hat" could be used to prove, or disprove, the microwave hypothesis? |
| borjam:
--- Quote from: jmelson on September 02, 2018, 02:02:37 am --- --- Quote from: djacobow on September 01, 2018, 07:27:24 pm ---I was surprised to hear that you can induce auditory hallucinations with microwaves. Still, the article has no info on power levels, frequency, etc. But if you can create auditory hallucinations, it's not a long leap to nausea. --- End quote --- Well, talk to anyone who has had an MRI done, especially of the head/neck area. They now run insane amounts of RF power to wobble the Hydrogen atoms, like 13 KW pulsed. Also, they run strong AC magnetic fields to introduce the magnetic gradient. The gradient coils make clunking/chattering noises, but the patient hears all sorts of higher frequency noise from the RF. --- End quote --- I've had several done recently (nose, shoulder, neck). What I heard was vibrtion from the magnets apart from the usual clattering. Some of the funny artifacts were beating/phasing effects due to magnets running at somewhat different frequencies. I didn't hear any sounds "inside my head" or from strange directions. Trying to figure out what I was hearing helped me endure 2.5 hours inside the thing. I am not claustrophobic (I have done spelunking in the past) but it can be boring even for a clam. |
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