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Microwave weapons?
coppercone2:
im saying highly paid embassy staff getting bad drugs in mass that all have the same effect on 70 people around the same time is about as likely as space aliens doing it
Maybe if it happened in a cult compound in the back of texas I might believe that
CatalinaWOW:
I certainly find illicit drug use by embassy employees credible. But it starts pushing credibility pretty hard when you get seventy of them apparently starting (or at least all using the same bad dope) at roughly the same time. That implies that they all had the same pusher and all used a common stockpile since private stashes of different sizes would spread the effects over time. Such large groups of sharing users doesn't fit any pattern I have ever encountered.
Any horse can be ridden until it drops. Without real data they all will be.
coppercone2:
--- Quote from: CatalinaWOW on December 12, 2020, 06:18:36 am ---I certainly find illicit drug use by embassy employees credible. But it starts pushing credibility pretty hard when you get seventy of them apparently starting (or at least all using the same bad dope) at roughly the same time. That implies that they all had the same pusher and all used a common stockpile since private stashes of different sizes would spread the effects over time. Such large groups of sharing users doesn't fit any pattern I have ever encountered.
Any horse can be ridden until it drops. Without real data they all will be.
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yea and they all took it at he same time and no one just said in the hospital that they took drugs :palm:
Once people start having side effects from drugs they are pretty honest with doctors (oh shit maybe I need my stomach pumped. I think i might die !). They won't shoot you for it. It's like considered a bad place, if anything the person that assigned them there after 'evaluating' them would get in trouble for some how putting so many people in 1 place that cannot take the pressure.
Nominal Animal:
--- Quote from: CatalinaWOW on December 12, 2020, 06:18:36 am ---I certainly find illicit drug use by embassy employees credible. But it starts pushing credibility pretty hard when you get seventy of them apparently starting (or at least all using the same bad dope) at roughly the same time. That implies that they all had the same pusher and all used a common stockpile since private stashes of different sizes would spread the effects over time. Such large groups of sharing users doesn't fit any pattern I have ever encountered.
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No, but in such a high-strung environment all you need for a mass psychosis is for a few "seed" people to describe similar effects. Especially when when those who suspect it is their own behaviour that caused it and may seriously negatively affect their own careers, start encouraging others to report similar effects, because they hope or sincirely believe their own behaviour is not – cannot, must not be! – the culprit.
--- Quote from: CatalinaWOW on December 12, 2020, 06:18:36 am ---Any horse can be ridden until it drops. Without real data they all will be.
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What does that mean?
There are literally at least a dozen more likely explanations than microwave or sonic weaponry aimed at an embassy (or at embassy personnel). I can see exactly why any country would prefer to push odd conspiracy theories rather than admit anything untoward in their own embassy.
This is even sillier than the 5G conspiracy stuff.
DrG:
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on December 12, 2020, 09:13:19 am ---
There are literally at least a dozen more likely explanations than microwave or sonic weaponry aimed at an embassy (or at embassy personnel).
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Can you please list a dozen more likely explanations than microwave or sonic weaponry?
Edit:
The report cited discusses 1. Chemical exposure, 2.Infectious disease and 3. Psychological issues - so that leaves only 9 more for you to list, although clearly, they did not feel any of the three listed were more likely than directed pulsed RF energy (which the report apparently "(defined as 30KHz-300GHz, including microwave radiation as 300MHz-300GHz).")
From p.2 (and there is more discussion elsewhere).
The committee also considered chemical exposures, infectious diseases and psychological issues as potential causes or aggravating factors. Although some reports suggested that exposure to organophosphates (OP) and/or pyrethroids from insecticide spraying in Havana could be a cause or contributing factor, the committee concluded that this mechanism was not likely because there was no convincing evidence of acute high-level exposures and the clinical histories of affected U.S. Embassy personnel were not consistent with acute OP poisoning. However, as insecticides can increase the risk or severity of adverse outcomes after exposure to a wide variety of physical or psychosocial stressors, the committee cannot rule out subacute or chronic OP and/or pyrethroid exposures as a possible contributing factor to nonspecific chronic symptoms.
Infectious agents known to be prevalent in Cuba at the time of the U.S. Embassy cases and capable of causing neurological manifestations most prominently include Zika, which was epidemic in Cuba in 2016-2017. However, after reviewing the medical and public health literature, the committee found it highly unlikely that Zika was the cause of the constellation of signs and symptoms reported among DOS personnel.
The acute initial, sudden-onset, distinctive, and unusual symptoms and signs are difficult to ascribe to psychological and social factors. However, the significant variability and clinical heterogeneity of the illnesses affecting DOS personnel leave open the possibility of multiple causal factors including psychological and social factors. These factors could exacerbate other causes of illness and cannot be ruled out as contributing to some of the cases, especially some of the chronic symptoms or later in the course of illness in some cases. Finally, the committee concurred with the diagnosis of persistent postural-perceptual dizziness (PPPD), a functional (not psychiatric) vestibular disorder that may be triggered by vestibular, neurologic, other medical and psychological conditions and may explain some chronic signs and symptoms in some patients.
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