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CatalinaWOW:
"Any horse can be ridden...."

Means that purveyors of any of the many possible explanations of this will continue to expand and expound on why their pet theory about the true cause.  Until the whole stack of cards falls, which may effectively be never.

The following sentence just means that I choose not to believe any of them, drugs, microwaves or other until credible and overwhelming evidence is available.  Someone may know the truth, or it may have some root cause that wasn't the result of anyone's directed activity (chemical leak?).  But public information doesn't make anything I'm aware of probable.  Including yours.  Possible, but not so probable as to dismiss any other possible explanation.
DrG:

--- Quote from: CatalinaWOW on December 12, 2020, 02:20:17 pm ---"Any horse can be ridden...."

Means that purveyors of any of the many possible explanations of this will continue to expand and expound on why their pet theory about the true cause.  Until the whole stack of cards falls, which may effectively be never.

The following sentence just means that I choose not to believe any of them, drugs, microwaves or other until credible and overwhelming evidence is available.  Someone may know the truth, or it may have some root cause that wasn't the result of anyone's directed activity (chemical leak?).  But public information doesn't make anything I'm aware of probable.  Including yours.  Possible, but not so probable as to dismiss any other possible explanation.

--- End quote ---

Sounds like you are basically saying - "we just don't know and we may never know unless incontrovertible proof is found, in which case, we will go with that." Uhm ok, but if one takes too hard of line there, we have no directed way to address issues like treatment for those afflicted and recommendations to mitigate the re-occurrence of such incidents.

Yes, I agree, anyone can throw out their pet theory and so forth as you have said. It is precisely for that reason that I posted about the availability of the results of an investigation by SMEs who consulted with more SMEs and who offer citations and reasoning behind what they consider plausible and what they consider not plausible or, simply, less likely. Furthermore, their evaluations are reviewed by other SMEs and, finally, a report comes out and nowhere do they say that they have the answer, but more "this is what we think is plausible and this is why we think that way". It is the antithesis of a "pet theory".

Pet theories are not sins, but can we not evaluated them in some systematic manner? For example, you said "Someone may know the truth, or it may have some root cause that wasn't the result of anyone's directed activity (chemical leak?)." Well, those could be considered, to some extent, to be two pet theories.

I like the approach where we present some evidenced-based approach to anchor what we can consider as being plausible. This can be done while concurrently holding the belief that we don't absolutely "know" what happened. That, IMO, is what the referenced report did and why I posted.
Nominal Animal:

--- Quote from: DrG on December 12, 2020, 02:12:24 pm ---
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on December 12, 2020, 09:13:19 am ---There are literally at least a dozen more likely explanations than microwave or sonic weaponry aimed at an embassy (or at embassy personnel).

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Can you please list a dozen more likely explanations than microwave or sonic weaponry?

--- End quote ---
In no particular order,

* Completely known but suppressed causes, with the report pushing conspiracy theories for political reasons (compare to "Russian bots" now "observed" everywhere on the 'net)
* Completely known but suppressed causes to protect national security (compare to the 2001 antrax attacks, or CIA involvement in drug trafficking; anything illicit related to the actions of the embassy or embassy personnel)
* Alkaloid contamination of consumables (most common cause of mass psychosis like effects)
* Alkaloid contamination of consumables in a small number of individuals, with the high-stress environment causing psychological duplication of symptoms
* Stress-triggered (histamine-triggered) chemical contamination of consumables (slow release from substandard construction materials; compare to prevalence of problems with formaldehyde release from materials)
* Low-level chemical environmental contamination (herbicides etc.)
* Infrasound pollution from natural sources (insects etc), with higher-frequency components filtered out by the environment (building structures)
* Infrasound pollution from accidental human sources (diesel engines, traffic/manufacturing noise transmitted and amplified through concrete structures)
* Exposure to microwave radiation due to malfunctioning equipment
* Long-term exposure to strong magnetic fields due to malfunctioning equipment
* Repeated low-level bacterial infection in the inner ear
* Viral infection in the inner ear, brain, or intestines

--- Quote from: DrG on December 12, 2020, 02:12:24 pm ---The report cited discusses 1. Chemical exposure, 2.Infectious disease and 3. Psychological issues
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You treat it as a scientific report, while it clearly is a political one: by a political committee, with the purpose of explaining why the embassy personnel was affected.

Even if there was scientific evidence proving US government culpability, such a report would never, ever admit the culpability.  Outrageous claims are simply a political tool.

Note that the fact that this was an US embassy in Cuba is, to me, just a detail, and nothing significant.  Feel free to change the countries, and my assessment still stands.

For example, let's consider an imaginary Finnish-Norwegian border incident, where fine refined uranium dust of Russian origin was exchanged in order to facilitate a false flag release of radionuclides by a Russian submarine in the Arctic to curb Russian expansionism in the Northern polar waters, but the container failing and causing an automatically detected radionuclide bloom.  Instead of admitting that the incident was caused by sanctioned but secret and politically indefensible activity, the cover story would most likely involve a claim about Soviet Russian radionuclide smugglers; but if there was proof only Finnish and Norwegian personnel was present, then the cover story could be anything, even completely ridiculous, like say a cryptid with a radioactive fart, an invisible experimental nuclear-powered air/spacecraft, or even aliens.

This is how politicians work.

If any kind of experimental weaponry is involved, there being exactly two countries on this planet having dabbled with experimental weaponry without having a scientific basis on their effects (starting at remote viewing), it is most likely that the embassy personnel were exposed to an US own experiment (i.e., leakage, or a badly run experiment).  The only reason this made any news was that the embassy personnel leaked concerns about their health issues to news outlets, before they could be gagged by a court order.

I find it extremely funny to see people here defend claims about experimental weaponry with zero scientific evidence that the claimed effect on humans even exists, while at the same time the same people get really frustrated in the 5G thread how easily people are misled with horrible rubbish claims.
DrG:

--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on December 12, 2020, 08:20:18 pm ---
--- Quote from: DrG on December 12, 2020, 02:12:24 pm ---
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on December 12, 2020, 09:13:19 am ---There are literally at least a dozen more likely explanations than microwave or sonic weaponry aimed at an embassy (or at embassy personnel).

--- End quote ---
Can you please list a dozen more likely explanations than microwave or sonic weaponry?

--- End quote ---
In no particular order,

* Completely known but suppressed causes, with the report pushing conspiracy theories for political reasons (compare to "Russian bots" now "observed" everywhere on the 'net)
* Completely known but suppressed causes to protect national security (compare to the 2001 antrax attacks, or CIA involvement in drug trafficking; anything illicit related to the actions of the embassy or embassy personnel)
* Alkaloid contamination of consumables (most common cause of mass psychosis like effects)
* Alkaloid contamination of consumables in a small number of individuals, with the high-stress environment causing psychological duplication of symptoms
* Stress-triggered (histamine-triggered) chemical contamination of consumables (slow release from substandard construction materials; compare to prevalence of problems with formaldehyde release from materials)
* Low-level chemical environmental contamination (herbicides etc.)
* Infrasound pollution from natural sources (insects etc), with higher-frequency components filtered out by the environment (building structures)
* Infrasound pollution from accidental human sources (diesel engines, traffic/manufacturing noise transmitted and amplified through concrete structures)
* Exposure to microwave radiation due to malfunctioning equipment
* Long-term exposure to strong magnetic fields due to malfunctioning equipment
* Repeated low-level bacterial infection in the inner ear
* Viral infection in the inner ear, brain, or intestines

--- Quote from: DrG on December 12, 2020, 02:12:24 pm ---The report cited discusses 1. Chemical exposure, 2.Infectious disease and 3. Psychological issues
--- End quote ---
You treat it as a scientific report, while it clearly is a political one: by a political committee, with the purpose of explaining why the embassy personnel was affected.

Even if there was scientific evidence proving US government culpability, such a report would never, ever admit the culpability.  Outrageous claims are simply a political tool.

Note that the fact that this was an US embassy in Cuba is, to me, just a detail, and nothing significant.  Feel free to change the countries, and my assessment still stands.

For example, let's consider an imaginary Finnish-Norwegian border incident, where fine refined uranium dust of Russian origin was exchanged in order to facilitate a false flag release of radionuclides by a Russian submarine in the Arctic to curb Russian expansionism in the Northern polar waters, but the container failing and causing an automatically detected radionuclide bloom.  Instead of admitting that the incident was caused by sanctioned but secret and politically indefensible activity, the cover story would most likely involve a claim about Soviet Russian radionuclide smugglers; but if there was proof only Finnish and Norwegian personnel was present, then the cover story could be anything, even completely ridiculous, like say a cryptid with a radioactive fart, an invisible experimental nuclear-powered air/spacecraft, or even aliens.

This is how politicians work.

If any kind of experimental weaponry is involved, there being exactly two countries on this planet having dabbled with experimental weaponry without having a scientific basis on their effects (starting at remote viewing), it is most likely that the embassy personnel were exposed to an US own experiment (i.e., leakage, or a badly run experiment).  The only reason this made any news was that the embassy personnel leaked concerns about their health issues to news outlets, before they could be gagged by a court order.

I find it extremely funny to see people here defend claims about experimental weaponry with zero scientific evidence that the claimed effect on humans even exists, while at the same time the same people get really frustrated in the 5G thread how easily people are misled with horrible rubbish claims.

--- End quote ---

I will respond only to respectfully acknowledge your post (my request for a response) and to say that it is clear to me that you and I are probably from different planets :)
coppercone2:
well its gonna be hard to talk about this on the internet because it relates to the american state department so it will get attacked relentlessly. i will spare you the analogies that come to mind, since bush 90% of the worlds population would like to attribute faults to them, most countries just consider them suspicious
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