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Monkeh:

--- Quote from: TerraHertz on April 03, 2020, 03:13:03 am ---Hmm, what do you mean 'generally'?
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Like many projects, they sell support services to fund development. In this context, that means managed hosting. I can't say what the terms of that are but I doubt it amounts to giving them ownership of the content.

vis1-0n:
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--- Quote from: james_s on March 30, 2020, 01:24:28 am ---Also the scaling thing is a non-issue anyway. I have a high resolution monitor because I want to display a lot of things on it at once. If the UI simply scales to make everything bigger then it negates most of the reason of having a high resolution display in the first place.

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12 years back I had a 320x240 2" screen on my Nokia phone, and I used the Opera Mini browser which did a decent job of reflow or allowing me to zoom (mobile layout was not everywhere.) Two years later I upgraded to a 640x360 3.2" device and it was great, more screen and pixels! Less reflow, and I could have a desktop style experience with a little zooming and panning. Except mobile design started to take over like a bad virus and after a year many websites were rendering the same amount of information as the 320x240 device did. In 2012 to Android 800x480, and then 2014 to my current Note 4 2560x1440.

Again, initially I could fit in a lot more of the websites and forums in the screen. Some screens forced mobile layout which are impossible to bypass, so  maybe after their website update I got a lot less information on screen (going from 50 lines of text to 20-25 on the same device ) Apps also got updated and instead of listing 30 topics fitted to a screen it could drop to 15 and if they added rounded elements (found in Google's material design) there was even less on screen. (Circle icons don't stack as well as rectangles - wasting more space.)

Where I would have 12 topics visible in Gmail, I now have 6. 10 items displayed onscreen on the shopping website? Now 5. Youtube 5x3 video thumbnails? Now 4x2.5. 12 Beneficiaries visible in my banking app? Now 7. I don't appreciate the larger font in the new update. No matter how much more screen or resolution you have, they find a way to drop the information density to worse that what my initial 320x240 device would display.

My life has become one of endless scrolling and opening links into new tabs.

Modern redesign has grown this montrosity https://css-tricks.com/ - information density designed for mobile. Ironic when nearly all productive work is done on desktops.

Discourse? I tried 6-8 of the sample sites. Fail.

SilverSolder:

--- Quote from: vis1-0n on April 03, 2020, 10:49:40 am ---.
--- Quote from: james_s on March 30, 2020, 01:24:28 am ---Also the scaling thing is a non-issue anyway. I have a high resolution monitor because I want to display a lot of things on it at once. If the UI simply scales to make everything bigger then it negates most of the reason of having a high resolution display in the first place.

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12 years back I had a 320x240 2" screen on my Nokia phone, and I used the Opera Mini browser which did a decent job of reflow or allowing me to zoom (mobile layout was not everywhere.) Two years later I upgraded to a 640x360 3.2" device and it was great, more screen and pixels! Less reflow, and I could have a desktop style experience with a little zooming and panning. Except mobile design started to take over like a bad virus and after a year many websites were rendering the same amount of information as the 320x240 device did. In 2012 to Android 800x480, and then 2014 to my current Note 4 2560x1440.

Again, initially I could fit in a lot more of the websites and forums in the screen. Some screens forced mobile layout which are impossible to bypass, so  maybe after their website update I got a lot less information on screen (going from 50 lines of text to 20-25 on the same device ) Apps also got updated and instead of listing 30 topics fitted to a screen it could drop to 15 and if they added rounded elements (found in Google's material design) there was even less on screen. (Circle icons don't stack as well as rectangles - wasting more space.)

Where I would have 12 topics visible in Gmail, I now have 6. 10 items displayed onscreen on the shopping website? Now 5. Youtube 5x3 video thumbnails? Now 4x2.5. 12 Beneficiaries visible in my banking app? Now 7. I don't appreciate the larger font in the new update. No matter how much more screen or resolution you have, they find a way to drop the information density to worse that what my initial 320x240 device would display.

My life has become one of endless scrolling and opening links into new tabs.

Modern redesign has grown this montrosity https://css-tricks.com/ - information density designed for mobile. Ironic when nearly all productive work is done on desktops.

Discourse? I tried 6-8 of the sample sites. Fail.

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Couple the low information density with the apparent need to hide all functionality behind obscure swipes and finger gestures, and you get what we have today- phone apps so bad that I prefer to carry a small laptop in my backpack...

james_s:

--- Quote from: TerraHertz on April 03, 2020, 02:44:35 am ---  - Tiny light gray text on slightly darker gray background. No really, one I have to read is like this. Hate it. Would like to shoot everyone responsible. 'Night mode', please go die in a fire.

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There are some guidelines out there on minimum contrast and I think many web designers somehow interpret that as the recommended contrast thus you end up with this light gray on slightly darker gray stuff. It's absolutely horrible on some less than stellar displays.

Night mode I think is a reaction to the blinding sea of white trend, in some ways it's an improvement over that but it still isn't as good as a more sensible design that just doesn't have the massive oceans of useless and ugly whitespace.

TomS_:
If this thread were the Wild West, there would be dead bodies in the street by now.

Seriously, some people just dont know how to disagree, state their reasons why, and move on.

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