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daqq:

--- Quote from: ebclr on April 27, 2021, 02:20:07 am ---Discord for sure is much better than a forum, forum is a 80's  legacy

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Yes, forums in their current form are an old concept. And circular wheels are even older.

While there some areas that actively resist change even though new and better things are available, there are also things that were simply good ideas from the start. New and better are not the same.

pardo-bsso:

--- Quote from: Refrigerator on April 27, 2021, 10:53:55 am ---Also i checked the Discourse-based forums linked by others and they're SO BAD.
Like, why do people approve this, why do they think this looks good?

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Why not?
I remember fondly when The Daily WTF / Worse Than Failure used community server as they forum platform. We had lots of fun abusing that system. Then the golden trio got bored and created Discourse.
Go figure.

(besides this single horror, Spolsky, Alex and the other one that I always forgot are terribly brilliant engineers)

Refrigerator:

--- Quote from: pardo-bsso on April 27, 2021, 12:07:39 pm ---
--- Quote from: Refrigerator on April 27, 2021, 10:53:55 am ---Also i checked the Discourse-based forums linked by others and they're SO BAD.
Like, why do people approve this, why do they think this looks good?

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Why not?
I remember fondly when The Daily WTF / Worse Than Failure used community server as they forum platform. We had lots of fun abusing that system. Then the golden trio got bored and created Discourse.
Go figure.

(besides this single horror, Spolsky, Alex and the other one that I always forgot are terribly brilliant engineers)

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Then either i lack context or have only seen the worst examples, because it Discourse doesn't look good to me. (IMO)

Ranayna:

--- Quote from: Refrigerator on April 27, 2021, 10:37:32 am ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on March 29, 2020, 11:45:24 pm ---
--- Quote from: Ranayna on March 29, 2020, 06:38:21 pm ---But on a sidenote: Yes, the forum software shows it's age, and migration to some more modern software should be considered. Modern software like Xenforo can introduce a lot of new useful features without loosing it's spirit of what a forum actually represents.
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Yes, SMF is showing its age, and I am a member on another forum that moved over the Xenforo (from I think phpBB) and I really like it. There were hardly any complaints from users too.
So I would be certainly open to moving to that, but it's got to be done right and professionally, not something that can be half arsed. I'd have to pay a professional to manage the move.

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I agree that i Xenforo is not too bad. I wouldn't mind if EEVBlog moved over to Xenforo, but i think it is good as-is currently.
I'm a member at the SaabCentral forums, which moved to Xenforo and before that i think they had the same look as EEVBlog forums do now (same platform?).
So far i've noticed the only thing that doesn't work after the big move to Xenforo are the old smiley faces, but the very old ones, the kind that make you feel nostalgic. I'm sure something like that can be fixed if need be.
[...]

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A list, in no particular order, what i like about XenForo:
- The inline WYSIWYG editor. It is no longer required to have the thread open in another tab to see the images. You can be on any page of a thread to post, you can even switch pages without losing anything
- The automatically saved drafts. Start writing a post on your mobile, finish it on the evening on the PC
- Just copy-paste images into the posts, the image is automatically inlined
- The notification system, though i can see that this may get overwhelming for users that are significantly more active than me
- seamless reponsive design. I was sceptical about this at first, since i am primarly a desktop user, but in my opinion this works great without sacrificing style or usability in the desktop view

The old-style smilies can be made working. The forum that i am a member of has quite a lot of old style smilies available.
I am still thinking about suggesting to them to import a couple from here, but i have no idea about the required permissions...

But anyway, as long as no migration away from SMF is planned, i have to agree that change for the sake of change is not something that should be considered. And i have to admit that i do not know what the next version of SMF can or cannot do.
I just wish, as the majority of the users here i think, that the style of being a forum is not lost.

MrMobodies:

--- Quote from: Ranayna on April 27, 2021, 01:20:12 pm ---
--- Quote from: Refrigerator on April 27, 2021, 10:37:32 am ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on March 29, 2020, 11:45:24 pm ---
--- Quote from: Ranayna on March 29, 2020, 06:38:21 pm ---But on a sidenote: Yes, the forum software shows it's age, and migration to some more modern software should be considered. Modern software like Xenforo can introduce a lot of new useful features without loosing it's spirit of what a forum actually represents.
--- End quote ---

Yes, SMF is showing its age, and I am a member on another forum that moved over the Xenforo (from I think phpBB) and I really like it. There were hardly any complaints from users too.
So I would be certainly open to moving to that, but it's got to be done right and professionally, not something that can be half arsed. I'd have to pay a professional to manage the move.

--- End quote ---

I agree that i Xenforo is not too bad. I wouldn't mind if EEVBlog moved over to Xenforo, but i think it is good as-is currently.
I'm a member at the SaabCentral forums, which moved to Xenforo and before that i think they had the same look as EEVBlog forums do now (same platform?).
So far i've noticed the only thing that doesn't work after the big move to Xenforo are the old smiley faces, but the very old ones, the kind that make you feel nostalgic. I'm sure something like that can be fixed if need be.
[...]

--- End quote ---
A list, in no particular order, what i like about XenForo:
- The inline WYSIWYG editor. It is no longer required to have the thread open in another tab to see the images. You can be on any page of a thread to post, you can even switch pages without losing anything
- The automatically saved drafts. Start writing a post on your mobile, finish it on the evening on the PC
- Just copy-paste images into the posts, the image is automatically inlined
- The notification system, though i can see that this may get overwhelming for users that are significantly more active than me
- seamless reponsive design. I was sceptical about this at first, since i am primarly a desktop user, but in my opinion this works great without sacrificing style or usability in the desktop view

The old-style smilies can be made working. The forum that i am a member of has quite a lot of old style smilies available.
I am still thinking about suggesting to them to import a couple from here, but i have no idea about the required permissions...

But anyway, as long as no migration away from SMF is planned, i have to agree that change for the sake of change is not something that should be considered. And i have to admit that i do not know what the next version of SMF can or cannot do.
I just wish, as the majority of the users here i think, that the style of being a forum is not lost.

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I suppose I wouldn't mind if the appearance or skin can be made to match this forum and in size onto the next without the white spaces, convert any fixed element to absolute or a setting, get rid of eye hurting dimming or any overlay stuff on dialogues and loading spinners/animations to a point where I am going to notice 'much difference and don't have to do any work hidng the above elements that annoys me.

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