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Re: Migrating the forum to Discourse
« Reply #325 on: April 28, 2021, 10:08:09 pm »
Just thought of some stuff with the thread starter's list above:

Pros:
* finally modern mobile experience 1
* much better readability for the forum 2
* improved engagement with younger audiences (!!!) 3
* Lower resources consumption 4
* faster website 4

1 What about desktop users who don't want a "mobile experience" slapped on their desktops?

2 In what way?
If it is endless scrolling or something like that where I can't track the page I am reading in the thread by page number then no good for me.

3 Would someone like to start a poll on that for the young audiences of this forum?

4 Faster website? How do we know that, at the moment it loads instantly for me especially on my old stuff.
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Re: Migrating the forum to Discourse
« Reply #326 on: April 28, 2021, 11:34:17 pm »
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track the page I am reading in the thread by page number

The page number is arbitrary though, depending on the number of posts per page you set. The default of 40 is pretty silly for being able to quickly jump to a specific post - 25 or 50 would have been better.

On Discord, the scroll widget shows you the post number and total posts. It is beyond trivial to just push it up (or down) to the exact post number and there you are. I have to say that dissing Discord for not making you find posts via unworkable page numbers is pretty perverse - that bit works very well.

And now you've got me playing with it, the quoting is good too. No longer a problem to just hit quote and include the entire unedited quote trail (which can sometime take up half a precious page) - just the first line is actually shown, but you can pop that open to the full thing with a click.

And... on quotes, there's a link to any reply which actually get show right there, instead of 20 pages later in an isolated necro-post. Gosh, it's almost like actual threading!

I am not keen on it, if only because of the fading in and out of the colour for no apparent reason, but it is not an unmitigated disaster if approach without the NIH or "it's change, therefore it's bad" minset. There are workable solutions to things that have been issues on previous forums, and some of them are even not bad solutions.
 
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Re: Migrating the forum to Discourse
« Reply #327 on: April 29, 2021, 12:44:07 am »
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track the page I am reading in the thread by page number

The page number is arbitrary though, depending on the number of posts per page you set. The default of 40 is pretty silly for being able to quickly jump to a specific post - 25 or 50 would have been better.

On Discord, the scroll widget shows you the post number and total posts. It is beyond trivial to just push it up (or down) to the exact post number and there you are.

So you mean it does have page numbers but the amount of posts on them can vary depending on how many are set to appear on one page or for whatever reason.

I don't mind that as long as I can quickly jump by page number of something like what is already here rather than continuously scroll like with the lazy loading stuff I have seen recently but then one could argue that the search can cover that with finding things.
 

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Re: Migrating the forum to Discourse
« Reply #328 on: April 29, 2021, 02:44:48 am »
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track the page I am reading in the thread by page number

The page number is arbitrary though, depending on the number of posts per page you set. The default of 40 is pretty silly for being able to quickly jump to a specific post - 25 or 50 would have been better.

On Discord, the scroll widget shows you the post number and total posts. It is beyond trivial to just push it up (or down) to the exact post number and there you are. I have to say that dissing Discord for not making you find posts via unworkable page numbers is pretty perverse - that bit works very well.

And now you've got me playing with it, the quoting is good too. No longer a problem to just hit quote and include the entire unedited quote trail (which can sometime take up half a precious page) - just the first line is actually shown, but you can pop that open to the full thing with a click.

And... on quotes, there's a link to any reply which actually get show right there, instead of 20 pages later in an isolated necro-post. Gosh, it's almost like actual threading!

I am not keen on it, if only because of the fading in and out of the colour for no apparent reason, but it is not an unmitigated disaster if approach without the NIH or "it's change, therefore it's bad" minset. There are workable solutions to things that have been issues on previous forums, and some of them are even not bad solutions.

Discord is simply a disaster zone for a multi topic technical forum. Even broken down into similar numbers of categories as here we would finish up with thousands of smashed threads over time.

Please explain how discord will deal with and make sense of these numbers without becoming a pigs breakfast?
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Re: Migrating the forum to Discourse
« Reply #329 on: April 29, 2021, 04:12:24 am »
...no way to archive the site as it is so it could be searched on something like the internet archive.

wget?

Post back when you've tried to archive anything on an SMF site with wget.  :-DD
 

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Re: Migrating the forum to Discourse
« Reply #330 on: April 29, 2021, 06:43:53 am »
How is this thread still alive?!
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Re: Migrating the forum to Discourse
« Reply #331 on: April 29, 2021, 06:47:13 am »
Because it's the "we hate Discord" thread now ;)

Dave needs to update the title to avoid confusing the uninitiated.
 

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Re: Migrating the forum to Discourse
« Reply #332 on: April 29, 2021, 06:52:25 am »
Because it's the "we hate Discord" thread now ;)

Dave needs to update the title to avoid confusing the uninitiated.

No we don't hate Discord at all as a platform it is is fine for linear topics or casual banter and is just not suited as a forum substitute for the type of varied content we get here.

In spite of the TEA thread being a ramble at the best of times the associated once a week Discord audio/typed chat session adds to it and if I could be bothered getting out of Bed early Sunday mornings local I would join in  ;)
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Re: Migrating the forum to Discourse
« Reply #333 on: April 29, 2021, 07:32:55 am »
Because it's the "we hate Discord" thread now ;)

Dave needs to update the title to avoid confusing the uninitiated.

No we don't hate Discord at all as a platform it is is fine for linear topics or casual banter and is just not suited as a forum substitute for the type of varied content we get here.

In spite of the TEA thread being a ramble at the best of times the associated once a week Discord audio/typed chat session adds to it and if I could be bothered getting out of Bed early Sunday mornings local I would join in  ;)
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Re: Migrating the forum to Discourse
« Reply #334 on: April 29, 2021, 07:57:03 am »
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track the page I am reading in the thread by page number

The page number is arbitrary though, depending on the number of posts per page you set. The default of 40 is pretty silly for being able to quickly jump to a specific post - 25 or 50 would have been better.

However, in this forum there's an "All" selector which loads all messages in a thread fairly quickly after which movement generates no further traffic. I'd put money on the bet that the initial delay generating the page is less than the time Discourse wastes reloading the page every few seconds.

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Re: Migrating the forum to Discourse
« Reply #335 on: April 29, 2021, 07:59:09 am »
Post back when you've tried to archive anything on an SMF site with wget.  :-DD

Already been discussed: it's marginally doable but painful, and shouldn't be necessary where management is competent.

Keep up at the back there.

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Re: Migrating the forum to Discourse
« Reply #336 on: April 29, 2021, 08:01:08 am »
How is this thread still alive?!

I restarted it after a year's nap to report that Arduino had just migrated from SMF to Discourse and the result was was widely disliked.

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Re: Migrating the forum to Discourse
« Reply #337 on: April 29, 2021, 09:35:40 am »
How is this thread still alive?!

I restarted it after a year's nap to report that Arduino had just migrated from SMF to Discourse and the result was was widely disliked.

Such hard-won real world experience is very valuable.

Thanks for necroposting that information so that it isn't lost :)
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Re: Migrating the forum to Discourse
« Reply #338 on: April 29, 2021, 10:39:11 am »
Are you guys mistaking Discord for Discourse, or has the discussion shifted elsewhere?
https://www.discourse.org/
 is not
https://discord.com/
Because if so there might be many goofs in this thread who don't even know what they're talking about, quite literally.  :-DD

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Re: Migrating the forum to Discourse
« Reply #339 on: April 29, 2021, 03:29:37 pm »
Yeah, I think I just did, and upset some Discord fanboy by accident |O
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Re: Migrating the forum to Discourse
« Reply #340 on: April 29, 2021, 03:48:30 pm »
This discourse on Discourse seems full of discord.  ::)
... and surprisingly full of Discord too.  ;)
 
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