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Migrating the forum to Discourse
ddavidebor:
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--- Quote from: ddavidebor on March 29, 2020, 10:40:35 pm ---I can't but notice all the users complaining have thousands of posts each. You're just used to PhPbb and complaining cause you don't like the sofa to be moved near the window. This is not really a useful discussion.
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So what you're effectively saying is "fuck the long time users who contribute heavily and make the forum what it is, we can just ignore what they want because it doesn't matter".
What's stopping you from creating a new forum that is set up the way you want it and leaving this one alone? I haven't seen Dave jump in here yet but it's his joint, ultimately it's his choice what goes and what doesn't.
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You lead by example, then you sidestep. Leaders who keep on hanging on their position die hated and alone.
PlainName:
--- Quote ---Ease of install and management
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ROFL!
--- Quote ---Why do you only officially support Docker?
Hosting Rails applications is complicated. Even if you already have Postgres, Redis and Ruby installed on your server, you still need to worry about running and monitoring your Sidekiq and Rails processes, as well as configuring Nginx. With Docker, our fully optimized Discourse configuration is available to you in a simple container, along with a web-based GUI that makes upgrading to new versions of Discourse as easy as clicking a button.
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It's their way or the highway, and even if you do it their way you're basically running blind.
tooki:
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on March 29, 2020, 07:10:00 pm ---There is one small thing that I see could be improved (and is probably not too hard to do) is easier inclusion of images in posts. Currently if you're attaching images in a post, you have to go some extra manual steps to include them in the post itself, and not just as small thumbnails at the end.
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This was improved not too long ago. Unfortunately, the plugins (or possibly the combination of them together; they were never tested separately) used to do this are buggy, and have IMHO made it much worse overall.
--- Quote from: james_s on March 29, 2020, 09:30:31 pm ---From what I've seen, Discourse is horrible. It has gone with that "jumble of text floating in a sea of white" fad that makes it so hard for me to focus on anything.
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This x1000. Like, designers, wake up! Visible structure and navigation is a good thing! It's not just useless clutter. (Something which cannot be said for all the social media "engagement" BS.)
--- Quote from: ataradov on March 29, 2020, 10:19:37 pm ---
--- Quote from: ddavidebor on March 29, 2020, 10:15:48 pm ---The readability is mainly improved by dropping the "pages" for continuous loading.
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I personally hate continuous loading. It breaks orientation in space.
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I agree a million times over. I HATE continuous loading in nearly all situations. Not only does it break orientation as you say, but if you dare click away, a "back" is almost guaranteed to not take you back where you were.
IMHO, SMF is not a particularly great forum platform. But moving from one crappy product to another crappy product is hardly the answer. If EEVblog did consider moving (which is something I wouldn't really recommend at this point, given that a new version of SMF is supposedly around the corner), it'd be to a better commercial product, not to an open source project. (Open source, frankly, just sucks in some ways, and forum and content management systems are one area where they simply don't work well. In this domain, the core projects tend to be barebones, relying on plugins for essential features, but the plugins in turn easily break with updates, or collide with each other, or get abandoned and stop working altogether.)
--- Quote from: ddavidebor on March 29, 2020, 10:40:35 pm ---I can't but notice all the users complaining have thousands of posts each. You're just used to PhPbb and complaining cause you don't like the sofa to be moved near the window. This is not really a useful discussion.
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Woooow. What an arrogant attitude. And you don't even have the basics right, since EEVblog doesn't run on PHPbb. (As I allude to above, I don't like PHPbb, but this is different software!)
Successful forums rely on long-term members. Their input matters. I have seen a software change completely destroy an online community that had tens of thousands of users. It is NOT a change to be made lightly, especially not in a mature community like this one.
So for you to dismiss these very real concerns as "moving the sofa"? Vafanculo, dude.
ataradov:
--- Quote from: ddavidebor on March 29, 2020, 10:52:02 pm ---You lead by example, then you sidestep. Leaders who keep on hanging on their position die hated and alone.
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What this has to do with technical merits of this discussion?
If everyone starts to hate classic forums, then they'll naturally move to something else. There does not seem to be the problem at the moment. Only benefits really. All homework kids go to stackoverflow.
Again, give us examples of big technical forums on Discourse. I personally don't actually think it will scale that well. I would love to be proven wrong.
tggzzz:
--- Quote from: ddavidebor on March 29, 2020, 10:44:47 pm ---
--- Quote from: james_s on March 29, 2020, 10:39:21 pm ---
--- Quote from: ddavidebor on March 29, 2020, 10:33:52 pm ---How many websites from the 2000s do you use daily?
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I'd use a lot more of them if they still existed, the only one that's still around is http://lamptech.co.uk, I don't use it daily but I still view it as one of the gold standards of web design. High information density, simple and effective layout, quality content and there is not a single bit of irritating cruft that I need to block.
There are dozens of websites that I used to use but have abandoned over the years when they were revamped and went from useful and effective to a bloated unusable mess. If you want to see an example of an absolutely horrible website spend 20 minutes browsing http://komonews.com, that used to be my go-to for local news but I all but abandoned it after several renovations left it all but unusable. Give me the Komo news website from 2001 with up to date content and I'll switch to it in a heartbeat.
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You can have it back, just have to buy newspaper again instead of being funded by ads and competing with facebook. But that's another discussion, and it's not relevant.
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Que? You are losing the plot!
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