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Offline amyk

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Re: MJ15025 transistors wrong polarity!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #25 on: August 05, 2016, 11:03:58 am »
They look real enough as in they are actually transistors, but not as transistors of the right specs. The die is about the right size to go into a TO-220.
 

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Re: MJ15025 transistors wrong polarity!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2016, 11:23:41 am »
In a TO-220? <LOL>
The die is only slightly larger than the lead diameter.  It looks like something that one would expect in a TO-92.
 

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Re: MJ15025 transistors wrong polarity!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #27 on: August 05, 2016, 11:37:49 am »
Hi,
In my first job at Gould Advance Power Supply Div, Bishops Stortford, U.K. in the late 1970s. They had made a display of de-capped 2N3055 transistors.
I can't remember how many manufacturers were on this display, but there were maybe 7-8. The manufacturers were arranged on one axis and they had date codes on the other axis.

They used this to illustrate that there was not only a difference between manufacturers but how they changed over time. Hint, they did not get better.

The JEDEC spec only required a small subset of the published specifications to met, to call a transistor a 2N3055.

There were variations in:

1) die size
2) number and quantity of bonding wires. The old RCA parts had metal clips !!
3) The use of a heat spreader.
4) Case material, steel or copper.

To counteract this issue, transistors like 2N3772 were specified for use.

The other reason for being more specific, was FBSOA, varied considerably. This important for transistors being operated in the linear region.


I have been de-capping transistors ever since.

The picture posted by ddelectrical, is a very small die for a T0-3 package. I would like to put those on a curve tracer and see what kind of specs that they had. At the price they are I might just buy some...


I really encourage people who receive fake transistors to leave negative feedback. This way they are doing a service to those coming after them.

Regards,

Jay_Diddy_B

 
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Re: MJ15025 transistors wrong polarity!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #28 on: August 05, 2016, 11:41:15 am »
In a TO-220? <LOL>
The die is only slightly larger than the lead diameter.  It looks like something that one would expect in a TO-92.
The TO-220 transistors I have disassembled (TIP31s, TIP 42s, TIP120s, TIC106Ds, TIC226Ds, etc.) had about this die size. I would expect a TO-92 to be a lot smaller (about the size of a LED substrate).
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Offline Ian.M

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Re: MJ15025 transistors wrong polarity!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #29 on: August 05, 2016, 12:05:52 pm »
I did a bit of scaling from the image to compare the die size to the mounting holes.  The die is 2mm square, about double the size of the die from a a typical 5mm dia resin encapsulated LED.  Jay_Diddy_B's die is 5.2mm square, 6.7 times the area.
 

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Re: MJ15025 transistors wrong polarity!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #30 on: August 05, 2016, 02:06:58 pm »
I did a bit of scaling from the image to compare the die size to the mounting holes.  The die is 2mm square, about double the size of the die from a a typical 5mm dia resin encapsulated LED.  Jay_Diddy_B's die is 5.2mm square, 6.7 times the area.

Remember we are dealing with Area.

so 2 x 2 = 4

versus

5 x 5.5 = 27.5 (quickly measured from my original part)

so the ratio of area 4 : 27.5  about 7x

so the small die is about a 3A part.

Regards,

Jay_Diddy_B


 

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Re: MJ15025 transistors wrong polarity!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #31 on: August 05, 2016, 03:07:49 pm »
Can pm sellers name if requested. The wording above is the exact ad title. Buyer beware.  :wtf: :rant: :palm: |O
Name and shame, dude. People selling dodgy shit do not deserve anonymity.

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Sellers who sell this stuff have to be exposed in public ! Well, as I expected, a small die covered with glue. You don't even need to open the can. Just look at those wrong marking fonts and those rough edges all around the base plate.  :palm:
 

Offline ddelectricalTopic starter

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Re: MJ15025 transistors wrong polarity!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #32 on: August 05, 2016, 04:41:08 pm »
Seller:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/usr/huayi-components
Fake as a wedding cake.
Rip off merchant.
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Re: MJ15025 transistors wrong polarity!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #33 on: August 05, 2016, 05:26:50 pm »
Top rated seller, 99.6% positive feedback...  :palm:
 

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