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| hwj-d:
--- Quote from: rsjsouza on March 01, 2020, 08:53:21 pm --- --- Quote from: tautech on February 24, 2020, 12:21:01 am --- One post gets reported and yet it's missed what caused that post to be made and then be reported. Like I mentioned a few posts back, there is always 2 sides to a story. --- End quote --- Tautech, I think I see the mods' POV: each individual only has control over oneself, not over others. Counteracting every dissonant POV or attack is the entire responsibility of the poster and no one else. If more followed this, the stupid US metric thread would have fizzled 40 pages ago, but it kept going though the actions of a troll playing others like a fiddle. And yes, I have swallowed my pride and walked away from threads many times before simply because it wasn't worth it. --- End quote --- The difficulty is, who is the troll. There can be 10 trolls against 1 who is fighting for the right thing. It's called group dynamics, or bullying. It's always easier for an admin to take the one out of the game. This does not serve the truth, which was the fundamental part of the discourse. Even you don't know whether the one against the ten others doesn't rather speak the truth against a quantitative superiority. |
| rsjsouza:
--- Quote from: hwj-d on March 01, 2020, 10:33:08 pm --- --- Quote from: rsjsouza on March 01, 2020, 08:53:21 pm --- --- Quote from: tautech on February 24, 2020, 12:21:01 am --- One post gets reported and yet it's missed what caused that post to be made and then be reported. Like I mentioned a few posts back, there is always 2 sides to a story. --- End quote --- Tautech, I think I see the mods' POV: each individual only has control over oneself, not over others. Counteracting every dissonant POV or attack is the entire responsibility of the poster and no one else. If more followed this, the stupid US metric thread would have fizzled 40 pages ago, but it kept going though the actions of a troll playing others like a fiddle. And yes, I have swallowed my pride and walked away from threads many times before simply because it wasn't worth it. --- End quote --- The difficulty is, who is the troll. There can be 10 trolls against 1 who is fighting for the right thing. It's called group dynamics, or bullying. It's always easier for an admin to take the one out of the game. This does not serve the truth, which was the fundamental part of the discourse. Even you don't know whether the one against the ten others doesn't rather speak the truth against a quantitative superiority. --- End quote --- I am referring to a person's ability to own its own actions, not an endless pursue of "the truth". After all, the justification I quoted read to me that a ban may be unfair if someone is provoked and feels that has no alternative other than respond and argue. My point is there is. Walk away and do not engage, regardless of how hurt your pride is (or your country's or your whatever). If you have facts, present them and disengage. Yeah, it is easier said than done. Bullies and trolls exhibit narcisistic and psychopath traits that cannot be dealt in writing and by random people on the internet. Leave the discussion and deflate the power they are trying to exert over you. Also, I'd wager that a significant part of derailed threads there's no way to know "the truth" - it is surely true for the example I mentioned (US metric) or the political/sociological debates. This makes moderation quite difficult. |
| hwj-d:
I think we are actually talking about different experiences. It's up to you, what to do with your own. It will not be possible to derive a globally valid rule from yours, not more than one proposal of goodness. |
| tautech:
--- Quote from: rsjsouza on March 01, 2020, 08:53:21 pm --- --- Quote from: tautech on February 24, 2020, 12:21:01 am --- One post gets reported and yet it's missed what caused that post to be made and then be reported. Like I mentioned a few posts back, there is always 2 sides to a story. --- End quote --- Tautech, I think I see the mods' POV: each individual only has control over oneself, not over others. Counteracting every dissonant POV or attack is the entire responsibility of the poster and no one else. If more followed this, the stupid US metric thread would have fizzled 40 pages ago, but it kept going though the actions of a troll playing others like a fiddle. --- End quote --- Understood and agree in principle, however how moderators deal with this is not always consistent and there's other discussions happening about this currently happening. That we can discuss this is great but it does feel like airing our dirty laundry in public as Dave has made it quite clear he doesn't want to engage in discussions about this privately. We can't see what's happening behind the moderation scenes however banned members I've had the opportunity to contact outside EEVblog have disclosed moderation experiences that are below the standard I have experienced and if 100% true, substandard and not in the forums best interests hence the comments I make about there being 2 sides to the story. --- Quote ---And yes, I have swallowed my pride and walked away from threads many times before simply because it wasn't worth it. --- End quote --- Yes when in a thread and there's little to be achieved by continued participation it's the best solution for ones sanity however when injustice is seemingly done it's becoming increasingly difficult not to mention it. We can only hope some points discussed here get taken onboard. |
| EEVblog:
--- Quote from: rsjsouza on March 01, 2020, 11:26:10 pm ---Also, I'd wager that a significant part of derailed threads there's no way to know "the truth" - it is surely true for the example I mentioned (US metric) or the political/sociological debates. This makes moderation quite difficult. --- End quote --- And in most cases it's a waste of time even trying. This forum has always tried to be a "lead by example" type self moderation. If you think a thread has gone off topic, then don't complain about it, don't mention it, don't report it, just post something back on topic. Very often all it takes is one on-topic post again and people get back on track talking about that thing again. |
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