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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #575 on: March 10, 2020, 10:12:52 am »
Yup. So nice of him to out himself.
What ?  :-//
Did you totally miss the conversations leading up to this ?
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/supporters-lounge/moderation-reports-84488/msg2956932/#msg2956932

Some of us had his number some days ago.

Yes i did. What makes moderation here work is the users. The forum sets it's own standards. Plus I feel much better banning someone that say's "har har here i am" than pure intuition alone. He obviously has alot of time to waste. In the past members that have been banned have rejoined but they have learnt their lesson and behaved and had the decency to not come the "har har i am still here". I don't mind that. We can all change. But people that want to continue to be disruptive will just continue to get banned.
 
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« Reply #576 on: March 10, 2020, 11:37:54 am »
Would it be an idea to use two-factor authentication (for registering only) that uses an sms verification?

The forum has a 2FA option, I use it myself, but it's not compulsory.
 

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« Reply #577 on: March 10, 2020, 12:32:33 pm »
I have been watching this thread for a while now and have been saddened by the behaviour of this individual who likes to create lots of accounts, only to get them banned. I never normally engage in such threads but on this occasion I would like to. We all remember the awful MJC incident and I would not wish to see it repeated so........

To the person who has effectively ‘gone to war’ with the moderators.......

Please stop for a moment, take a deep breath and think about your actions. Are they truly rational and normal behaviour ? I am casting no stones but from what I have been seeing in this thread, I am concerned for you. This situation appears to have spiralled out of control for you, but it can be stopped so easily if you just stop taunting the Moderators. I am aware that you have strong views on the moderation and you have a right to your views, however, you can likely contribute to this forum in a positive way and be part of the online ‘family’ that is the EEVBlog forum. Arguments occur in families, feelings get hurt, but most recover to normality and life goes on. Please consider parking your current crusade against this forums moderation and enjoy being a member of the best forum that I have ever been a part of. There is absolutely no reason why you cannot continue to be an active healthy member of this forum if you can just hold back in engaging in some discussions that involve ‘sensitive’ topics. It is not censorship, just a means to avoid arguments with people you do not even know, or likely care about.

I was going to pull back from this forum due to both my ongoing illness and the death of my father on Boxing Day 2019. Life has been pretty cr*ppy of recent. I did not do so because another forum member reminded me that this forum is like an extended family with whom I may engage on topics that make me happy in dark times. I encourage you to think of this forum in the same way and enjoy it, rather than putting on your virtual armour and going to war over something that truthfully is beyond our ability to change.

Take care of yourself and please consider what I have said. Be a friendly helpful member of this ‘family’.

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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #578 on: March 10, 2020, 01:59:59 pm »
Would it be an idea to use two-factor authentication (for registering only) that uses an sms verification?

The forum has a 2FA option, I use it myself, but it's not compulsory.

What about enforcing it (for registering only) to avoid problems with people who create multiple accounts?
 

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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #579 on: March 10, 2020, 02:22:21 pm »
Would it be an idea to use two-factor authentication (for registering only) that uses an sms verification?

The forum has a 2FA option, I use it myself, but it's not compulsory.

What about enforcing it (for registering only) to avoid problems with people who create multiple accounts?

If the second factor is a phone, no thanks. I get too many spam SMS/calls as it is.

Yes, I know Dave wouldn't knowingly allow that, but before joining I knew very little about Dave and even so the italics are important!
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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #580 on: March 10, 2020, 03:03:29 pm »
2FA is security, not spam. You only get the SMS for logging in. that has been the case for for any of the several people i use 2FA with
 

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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #581 on: March 10, 2020, 03:45:54 pm »
Doesn't matter what it's meant to be for or actually used for. No-one I've just bumped into is going to get my phone number - having to change that is far FAR more serious than changing an email address, and I don't hand that out willy-nilly either. 2FA using a phone would be a great way to reduce the traffic on this forum, IMO.
 
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« Reply #582 on: March 10, 2020, 04:03:14 pm »
To the person who has effectively ‘gone to war’ with the moderators.......

I would love to know the original incident, that has sparked this activity off (if applicable).
Was it a previously banned member, who got annoyed with the mod(s) ?
Or is it plain trolling, just for the sake of it ?

My gut feeling is that the original Angrybird account, seemed to be trolling us (in some form of fashion or other), right from the beginning. Even the user name "ANGRY" of "ANGRYbird", seems to hint at some annoyed member, somehow.
 

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« Reply #583 on: March 10, 2020, 05:10:58 pm »
2FA is security, not spam. You only get the SMS for logging in. that has been the case for for any of the several people i use 2FA with

True, but irrelevant.

See, for example, the recent VirginMedia data breach giving email/phone/DoB/etc info to malefactors: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51760510

I think I've been caught by that, based on increases in spam and "helpful" phone calls. I've yet to do a subject data request to see what info of mine they got.
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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #584 on: March 10, 2020, 06:20:28 pm »
2FA is security, not spam. You only get the SMS for logging in. that has been the case for for any of the several people i use 2FA with

True, but irrelevant.

See, for example, the recent VirginMedia data breach giving email/phone/DoB/etc info to malefactors: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51760510

I think I've been caught by that, based on increases in spam and "helpful" phone calls. I've yet to do a subject data request to see what info of mine they got.

But if they have your mobile number anyway what is the difference in letting people use 2FA?
 

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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #585 on: March 10, 2020, 06:27:05 pm »
To the person who has effectively ‘gone to war’ with the moderators.......

I would love to know the original incident, that has sparked this activity off (if applicable).
Was it a previously banned member, who got annoyed with the mod(s) ?
Or is it plain trolling, just for the sake of it ?

My gut feeling is that the original Angrybird account, seemed to be trolling us (in some form of fashion or other), right from the beginning. Even the user name "ANGRY" of "ANGRYbird", seems to hint at some annoyed member, somehow.


They started chest beating and idolizing trump. It resulted in a temporary ban during which i turned a blind eye to them using 2 other accounts. They then started having an argument they would not relent on about the morality of hacking things like rigol scopes in a totally unrelated thread. They refused to stop whilst accusing me of shilling mp site by having to constantly take part in the discussion to try and restore order to the chaos they caused. So ban was made permanent. Now they keep re-registering just to prove...... I don't know what. No one said that we have a system that can detect angrybird's umpteenth account and stop them at registration, other than people reporting post by a new user that still tries to make trouble.

It's all rather childish. But you get one now and then.
 
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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #586 on: March 10, 2020, 06:33:38 pm »
2FA is security, not spam. You only get the SMS for logging in. that has been the case for for any of the several people i use 2FA with

True, but irrelevant.

See, for example, the recent VirginMedia data breach giving email/phone/DoB/etc info to malefactors: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51760510

I think I've been caught by that, based on increases in spam and "helpful" phone calls. I've yet to do a subject data request to see what info of mine they got.

But if they have your mobile number anyway what is the difference in letting people use 2FA?

Random websites don't have my phone numbers unless absolutely necessary. Why? Because each company with my number is another chance for malefactors to get access to my number.

The "sim swap scam" has been around and active for a while: https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/beatthescammers/article-7571099/Sim-swap-fraud-fraudster-managed-swipe-80k-bank.html "Sim swap scam saw £80,000 swiped from my bank account...    Fraudster managed to convince mobile firm Three to give away number"

The only way I can see of combatting that is to have one phone that is used for banking only.
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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #587 on: March 10, 2020, 07:16:55 pm »
Yes i know SIM swapping has been around a while. It was not the other day I heard about it but months to a year ago. The problem with it is that it relies on the profit hungry scruples of corporations that will stop at nothing to squeeze every last drop out of their workforce and customers. It's not a technological hack but a people hack. As phones are now used in 2FA it's a serious matter. Will phone companies be made liable for money lost due the pressure they put on staff which results in people being allowed to make changes to an account when they clearly don't have the required authority.
 

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« Reply #588 on: March 10, 2020, 08:52:02 pm »
They started chest beating and idolizing trump. It resulted in a temporary ban during which i turned a blind eye to them using 2 other accounts. They then started having an argument they would not relent on about the morality of hacking things like rigol scopes in a totally unrelated thread. They refused to stop whilst accusing me of shilling mp site by having to constantly take part in the discussion to try and restore order to the chaos they caused. So ban was made permanent. Now they keep re-registering just to prove...... I don't know what. No one said that we have a system that can detect angrybird's umpteenth account and stop them at registration, other than people reporting post by a new user that still tries to make trouble.

It's all rather childish. But you get one now and then.

Thanks. That is a wonderful, explanation!   :)

I guess you have the occasional, childish (or whatever), forum poster.

Perhaps, because a 'moderator', is psychologically seen, as being like a teacher/headmaster/boss/parent/leader like person/personality, some people seem to think it is alright, to be significantly disrespectful, to such people.

As regards enforcing using our real life mobile/cell phone numbers, to register. Here are three reasons, AGAINST it.

(1)...Many, many people, WON'T want to register that way, and will simply never register. So, a huge, future loss of membership, could occur (as mentioned by other poster(s), as well).

(2)...As I mentioned earlier. I researched using such a method (quickly, after it was mentioned in this thread). Unfortunately, it turns out to be easily cheated. Especially, by people, already knowledgeable in getting around IP bans. tl;dr It probably won't work.

(3)...From my experiences, on other forums (which I don't want to list or publicly mention, here).
It would/could open up the forum, to being hacked. Because it would have too much of peoples real life information, making it a target, for hackers. Forum software, tends to be relatively weak/susceptible to hacking.

At least two of the forums, I've previously (or currently) been a member of, have been hacked in the past, and everyone's details, were stolen. So, these days, I would avoid ones, insisting on having personal information.

Lots of websites, (forums and others), have been hacked in the past. E.g. The Sony Play Station Network.
So best, if the database(s), don't have our personal information.
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« Reply #589 on: March 10, 2020, 09:29:50 pm »
Well all sites are under constant attack. Having a VPS I quickly realised just how much of the traffic is hacking, I would have a list thousands of records long of people trying to log into anything they could. Obviously the more data you have the me cautious you have to be which is why in setting up another forum with someone that wanted everyone's particulars I cautioned and said that the policy should be based on the need to know.
 
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« Reply #590 on: March 11, 2020, 12:14:28 am »
Well all sites are under constant attack. Having a VPS I quickly realised just how much of the traffic is hacking, I would have a list thousands of records long of people trying to log into anything they could. Obviously the more data you have the me cautious you have to be which is why in setting up another forum with someone that wanted everyone's particulars I cautioned and said that the policy should be based on the need to know.

This forum, seems to be rather successful, and useful.
Because we can create a relatively complicated/difficult/obscure thread, but the membership is so (relatively) large, varied, active and helpful. That you will often get the answers, that you want, and often in a relatively short timescale.

But, if the moderators, decided to heavily "lock down", this forum. With heavy registration requirements and stuff. Although, it would help keep out the riff raff (Un-savory people), we would probably lose the critical mass of posters, which helps keep this forum alive and kicking.

As you said, there are lots of hackers. Unfortunately, it seems to be something, we have to accept, in the modern age of the internet.
 

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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #591 on: March 11, 2020, 12:35:02 am »
Would it be an idea to use two-factor authentication (for registering only) that uses an sms verification?
The forum has a 2FA option, I use it myself, but it's not compulsory.
What about enforcing it (for registering only) to avoid problems with people who create multiple accounts?

That would not stop any malicious actor, as the 2FA is Google Authenticater based and and anyone can use that without tracking.
 

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« Reply #592 on: March 11, 2020, 12:43:33 am »
To the person who has effectively ‘gone to war’ with the moderators.......
I would love to know the original incident, that has sparked this activity off (if applicable).
Was it a previously banned member, who got annoyed with the mod(s) ?

Some people don't like being told to pull their head in when it comes to off-topic stuff. And then when they don't stop and they get a temporary ban they go into anger mode.
So much so that we have former banned members who create multiple accounts, post things to try and get the site shut down under the DMCA, and ones that post child porn or do a DDOS attack on xmas day as a "present" to us. Even years later they still can't let it go. Unfortunately these people exist and it's just a nature of running such forum as it gets big enough you get the bell curve outliers.
The only alternative to not triggering these people is to have no rules at all and let it be a usenet style free-for-all.
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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #593 on: March 11, 2020, 01:13:13 am »
If there was a 'magic bullet' solution, on how to run the perfect, forum (or website). It probably would have already been discovered, and then most of the forums (and websites), would probably follow suit.

I think this forum, has a nice balance between, some moderation, and being too restrictive.
I do miss politics, but agree, it needs to be disallowed, because it is rather problematic, and can need huge amounts of moderation, to even attempt to keep it under control.

The days of 'Wild west', totally free/open, internet (usenet or whatever), seem to be partial limited. As Governments and large organisations, are increasingly clamping down on such things**.
**Ironically, I have to stop this paragraph there. To stop breaching the no politics rule.

E.g. Youtube, increasingly clamping down, on more controversial, subject areas.

But, as EEVblog/Dave, has often said, and I fully agree. It (Politics) leads to disagreements and arguments, and so is best left, out of this forum.
 

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« Reply #594 on: March 11, 2020, 01:16:36 am »
Yep, we get more than enough arguments about oscilloscopes. :-DD
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« Reply #595 on: March 11, 2020, 06:49:40 am »
They started chest beating and idolizing trump. It resulted in a temporary ban during which i turned a blind eye to them using 2 other accounts. They then started having an argument they would not relent on about the morality of hacking things like rigol scopes in a totally unrelated thread. They refused to stop whilst accusing me of shilling mp site by having to constantly take part in the discussion to try and restore order to the chaos they caused. So ban was made permanent. Now they keep re-registering just to prove...... I don't know what. No one said that we have a system that can detect angrybird's umpteenth account and stop them at registration, other than people reporting post by a new user that still tries to make trouble.

It's all rather childish. But you get one now and then.


I wondered what was going on with all those low post count banned members I've been seeing. Many times the post I saw from them was quite reasonable so they must have been misbehaving in some thread I wasn't in. It's a shame people can't just behave like adults, perhaps mental illness is involved? I don't know. This place certainly is refreshing compared to the endless flame wars that raged on in usenet groups, back before they all got completely overrun by spam.


Personally I don't think it has been *that* big of a nuisance, certainly not enough to change the way people authenticate or whatever. When the culprit shows up just ban them when they misbehave and sooner or later they'll get bored and find something else to obsess over.
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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #596 on: March 11, 2020, 07:35:42 am »
Would it be an idea to use two-factor authentication (for registering only) that uses an sms verification?
The forum has a 2FA option, I use it myself, but it's not compulsory.
What about enforcing it (for registering only) to avoid problems with people who create multiple accounts?

That would not stop any malicious actor, as the 2FA is Google Authenticater based and and anyone can use that without tracking.

Quite. Really the forum standard is mostly driven by members reporting suspicious people or unsavory behavior. There is no way to stop and otherwise fine member going off their head.
 

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« Reply #597 on: March 11, 2020, 12:30:09 pm »
Bad idea to require compulsory 2FA or other verification, it will badly hurt the forum stats. Just at discretion hide posts from banned accounts such as low post repeat offenders, ghost accounts and hide or delete the spam.

For the banned users you could use "Ex Member" or something if you don't like to see the word banned. This should only be reserved for clearly contributing members not malicous ones.
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« Reply #598 on: March 11, 2020, 01:21:07 pm »
I will risk a verbal beating here, but how about changing absolutely nothing ......

This forum appears to work well and is the best I have been a member of. From the user perspective the issue of renegade members is very rare indeed. There have been some exceptions that got all our attention, but is it really warranted to make membership and login a more complex process ?

This recent dispute with Angrybird seems to have generated an awful lot more comment in this thread than it truly deserves. Compared the the MJC incident, it is a non event !

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« Reply #599 on: March 11, 2020, 02:03:25 pm »
I will risk a verbal beating here, but how about changing absolutely nothing ......

This forum appears to work well and is the best I have been a member of. From the user perspective the issue of renegade members is very rare indeed. There have been some exceptions that got all our attention, but is it really warranted to make membership and login a more complex process ?

This recent dispute with Angrybird seems to have generated an awful lot more comment in this thread than it truly deserves. Compared the the MJC incident, it is a non event !

I am now putting on my Kevlar helmet and ducking for cover  ;D

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I think that the only change that is desirable would be one that made it harder for the wholesale creation/rapid turnover of accounts a la 'grumpy tit-puppet'. That's really for moderatorial comfort and, to a lesser extent, keeping the fools out of the hair of the rest of us.  The problem is that it's difficult for the mods to ban someone malicious and persistent, and keep them effectively banned without a lot of manual work and vigilance on the mod's behalf. Beyond that I'd agree that there's no real need for change.
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