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Title: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on February 09, 2012, 07:54:29 am
Hello good poeple, I type this with my moderator top hat on  ;)

I (as Dave will be as well) am receiving a lot of reports lately on posts. That is not to say that I (we) are overwelmed but many of these are along the lines of: "I didn't like what he said", or that "he's offending so and so" when no one was specifically mentioned and a range of reports that frankly I can't do anything about unless you want me to delete half the forum just because  maybe I don't like what was said either and you wouldn't agree either.

Now I know that Dave has decided that there is to be stricter control/moderation of the forum and rightly so but please don't go overboard lets try to get some perspective here, please do report any of the following:

Spam
posts that are vulgar or otherwise inappropriate
anything you deem to be illegal or for ill intent (but don't go jumping over the mere mention of something like a possible harmless prank)
Direct attacks on members (naming people)
attempts to otherwise upset the relatively educated and polite environment we all enjoy and turn threads into senseless arguments by diverting the subject elsewhre.

If you don't like someone or how they phrase things or your part of the politically correct brigade that must not see anyone brought to account or anything bad said particularly when it may well be true please save it, because you will probably be the next person someone else reports for the same reasons or you may be whittling if I have to apply you own logic to you one day.

I don't want this to be seen as a provoking post but I don't want people to feel that we are not taking note of reports, I'm a moderator, not a policeman.

Moderator hat off

Thank you all for understanding !
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on February 09, 2012, 09:22:56 am
thank you for your comments, you make good points. Obviously case by case judgement will be applied. I am just getting tired with people pointing fingers at each other just because they disagree. there is disagreeing and there is being offensive, please don't mix them. This is not a school playground.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on February 09, 2012, 10:09:59 am
It is not a problem at the moment but I am seeing a tendency in reoports that are purely to say they don't like something. I am afraid this is a place of free speech, save for the conditions i put above I can't do a lot.

That does not mean to say that I need to see a history of bad posts before banning a person, if someone posts something that bad they will just get banned regardless of history. Unfortunately we cannot stay on top of every thread as there are too many.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on February 09, 2012, 10:41:12 am
when you report 1 post, in order to be fair and understand the situation we have to read the whole thread ! so if I get loads of silly reports that means i have no time to deal with them as some threads are so long. so I'll either have to ignore it or make a poor judgement on dealing with it because i have so many to get through.

Obviously if the report is a valid one please make it, as i said we are not your dinner ladies in the school playground.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: GeoffS on February 10, 2012, 11:16:42 am
As (one of) the other moderators I agree with what Simon has said.
It's easy to delete spam and spammers but no so easy to make the decision about banning regular users based on what they are posting. What's offensive to one may not be offensive to another (the same goes for humour  :) )

I must admit that I tend to leave the hard decision making to Dave but based on his recent post about the sheer number of posts/threads, this may need to change.

In banning a user, which should be a last option, there are various levels of banishment. Perhaps being banned from posting for a period of time, but still being able to read the forums, would give some people time to reconsider their approach.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on February 10, 2012, 06:49:06 pm
There is indeed an option for a temporary ban which is why I'd not hesitate to ban someone temporarily for an offensive post regardless of history.

I probably was not clear enough in my original post but i get the impression that we might be heading for a "reporting war". Because it is now clear that trouble makers will be dealt with, I predict a tendency for people to start reporting each other as a way of getting at each other instead of bad posts that they will get banned for.

When this forum started it was more civil as there were fewer of us and there was unofficial moderation. I politely put a certain person no longer with us in his place before i was a mod, and it all worked well. now that we are no longer small and neighborly like a village but big and selfish like a town things get more complicated.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: SgtRock on February 10, 2012, 08:26:25 pm
Greetings EEVBees:

--I think Admin does a fine job of moderating this forum, and using as light a hand as possible. But lets try to help them out. If you must report a post or poster be very, very specific about what your complaint is, and provide a direct quote in your notification.

--I read nearly everything on the forum, and in my opinion there are only a very few hinky posters, and even they, do not offend very often, so there should not be a lot of reporting of offensive posts. Defend yourselves, just be civil about it.


"I have had my results for a long time: but I do not yet now how I am to arrive at them."
Carl Friedrich Gauss 1777 1855
 
Best Regards
Clear Ether
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on February 12, 2012, 12:02:09 am
Yes, I have to agree with Simon too.
Whilst the volume of reports hasn't been large, I see them and with most I think "why bother complaining?, storm in a tea-cup" so I simply close the report, and it seems that Simon and Geoff think the same way too.
Whilst I can certainly understand that some people may have got their heckles up by something someone said (we all have our own expected and tolerable levels of behaviour and language), it's simply not possible to reliably and consistently moderate this on a forum.
If we did start trying to moderate people's "character", or tone of voice, or personality, then there won't be much of a forum left. The forum would eventually be dumbed down to a Queens English Q&A without much personal enthusiasm or character that I think is what makes a community forum compelling to read and contribute too.

I want people to lead by example on this forum, and I think it's working quite well.
With over 87,000 posts, we've only had to ban a couple of genuine contributors, and moderate/delete maybe a few dozen posts.
The main rule is no personal attacks, and this is the one rule I've become stricter over, as I think that's where all the problems start and degenerate into chaos. So if it's a genuine direct personal attack, then please report it and one the moderators will check it out and take action as they deem appropriate.

But otherwise, try and let things slide, and get on with talking electronics. If you don't like the tone of a thread or the way it's going, you have the power to change it yourself and show how it should be done...

Dave.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: saturation on February 12, 2012, 01:03:53 pm
As a 10+ year mod on another board, I filter only personal attacks post were complaints are made, and then put that account in moderation mode for 1 week, allowing the flame to cool down.  It allows that account to view the board, but not post unless you approve it.  If the same account did that 3x I may ban them or put them in permanent moderation or view only.  Very little work on your part.

FWIW, some persons banned from eevblog have a history of doing the same for at least 5+ years in other boards; so the need for such action is fairly rare.  No mention of names, but you can find the same person from this 2007 list from anantech just 'find' you know who:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=61029 (http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=61029)




Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on February 12, 2012, 01:08:59 pm
sounds like a sensible approach. Yes I found we know who in that list - no surprise there, we were very patient over here and i remonstrated with said user more than once and put him in his place before we had moderation on here. At that time we were a smaller forum and there was more respect for each other and a general membership (or posters to the thread in question) consensus on a topic going bad was enough to bring it back in line.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: djsb on February 12, 2012, 01:16:22 pm
I have on occasion deleted a couple of my own topics because there has been no response at all. Pity we can't delete our own posts if we feel that we have said something we regret. It would mean less work for moderators as well. Thats just me though maybe not everyone is as good at self censorship.

David.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on February 12, 2012, 01:26:25 pm
I have on occasion deleted a couple of my own topics because there has been no response at all. Pity we can't delete our own posts if we feel that we have said something we regret. It would mean less work for moderators as well. Thats just me though maybe not everyone is as good at self censorship.

David.

you can delete your own posts, or at least edit them and remove the text, this is often better as it helps the topic make sense as posts just disapearing from the middle cause confusion.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: vk6zgo on February 17, 2012, 12:20:48 am
As I said,on another occasion,it is frighteningly easy to make mortal enemies on this (or any) forum.
People have a lot of self-esteem bound up with their opinions,so maybe if I'm getting them really upset,I should back off.
The trouble is,it is quite enjoyable to take part in a vigorous debate,so sometimes the warning signs are not heeded.

What we have to be careful of is the "You're all fools!" attitude,which some people adopt,where they refuse to consider anyone else's comments .
Many people on this forum possess quite formidable intellects,but that does not make them infallible.
Sometimes,us "lesser beings" know stuff they don't,because we have had to learn it for our jobs,or just through life experience.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on February 17, 2012, 06:49:27 am
and we/i sometime refer to china/chinese, thats racist! :D but thats fact we all know that (cloning, bad quality manufacturing etc), but we also know not all chinese like that, i know some good chinese members here (from their tone and signature) and i have many good chinese friends here local, but be careful when you talk in a forum, it can make the next world war ;) cheers.

I'm afraid that most chinese mass manufactured are junk, and that is just a fact, nothing offensive. As a quality inspector I have to deal with this on a daily basis.

Yes people are opinionated and I'm one of them, I try to think before posting but we are not all perfect. providing people are not offensive to members there is nothing wrong with them being wrong if they genuinely beleive it. No doubt someone else will correct them, this is the great thing about forums, your getting a wide base of opinions not one persons version of the facts
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: vk6zgo on February 19, 2012, 03:59:21 am
It is a trap,though,as sometimes you make comment based on a well known fact about Electronics,& are amazed that not only do others not know it,but will challenge it as though it is just a matter of '"opinion".

Do you try to set them right,or just forget it & not follow it up?

Or someone quite knowledgeable,will phrase something strangely,& when you try to clear it up for an OP who may be a beginner,they get upset,& reply in an aggressive manner.
OK,we all probably do this sometimes,but a few people make a habit of it.
Then there are the people who are just "grumpy",& are quite entertaining with it! ;D

The question remains:-
When do you back away & leave them to it?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: gregariz on February 19, 2012, 04:24:14 am
With regard to Chinese stuff being junk - alot of it is, but I find for most common electronics it seems to do the job as long as you are not rough with it.

With regard to the idea of 'facts'. I try simply to not come into the forum any longer to comment on things like multimeters and oscilloscopes. The trend I found was that people were getting all bent up over specifications. And that left me scratching my head over who needed to measure most of them. Over the last 20 years I have found I can probably do the vast majority of tasks using the commonly spec'ed base instruments. People are/were giving advice to beginners and hobbyists to buy higher end test gear. So I find their reality or 'facts' are not mine so its simply not a conversation worth having.

Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on February 19, 2012, 07:33:01 am
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People are/were giving advice to beginners and hobbyists to buy higher end test gear. So I find their reality or 'facts' are not mine so its simply not a conversation worth having.
so that is your politically correct mind saying. different people with different need. you should visit metrologycal and/or calibration and measurement dept sometime and how they will insist on... well, not high end gear, but... super super super high end gear. and some people live by it, pay for it, and get more money from it. just to let you know, i have the same reality as yours (normal gears work for me) ;) but the other rationale is, if you have better gear, you will have better result (usually) thats why people try to give better advice, i also learnt this from experience with my other tools, esp tools like hammer, jigsaw etc not ee related.

he makes a valid point, there are some people who think they are showing off by suggesting to someone clearly asking advice on basic gear to go get the latest top end bit of kit. This is partly taking the micky because they don't like begginers because they think they are part of the elite and that is all they want to meet here and partly just not being in the real world. The hope is that other more "normal" members offer more sensible suggestions.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on February 19, 2012, 07:36:16 am
It is a trap,though,as sometimes you make comment based on a well known fact about Electronics,& are amazed that not only do others not know it,but will challenge it as though it is just a matter of '"opinion".

Do you try to set them right,or just forget it & not follow it up?

Or someone quite knowledgeable,will phrase something strangely,& when you try to clear it up for an OP who may be a beginner,they get upset,& reply in an aggressive manner.
OK,we all probably do this sometimes,but a few people make a habit of it.
Then there are the people who are just "grumpy",& are quite entertaining with it! ;D

The question remains:-
When do you back away & leave them to it?
usually politely putting people right works or a general consensus of replies will clear the matter up. Usually stating things politely and not arrogantly will keep things at the right level. The problem is when people who know what they are talking about present facts arrogantly because this is what someone who does not know what they are talking about would do to give the impression they are right, again hopefully people can be reasonable and yes we have a few arrogant members and they can be entertaining if you sit back and let them get on with it without taking it to heart.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: BBQdChips on April 12, 2012, 04:48:28 pm
but the other rationale is, if you have better gear, you will have better result (usually) thats why people try to give better advice, i also learnt this from experience with my other tools, esp tools like hammer, jigsaw etc not ee related.
Since when is a hammer not EE Kit?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: r90s on November 15, 2012, 06:15:28 am
but the other rationale is, if you have better gear, you will have better result (usually) thats why people try to give better advice, i also learnt this from experience with my other tools, esp tools like hammer, jigsaw etc not ee related.
Since when is a hammer not EE Kit?

Yep,  You gotta whack those electrons to keep them in line........ 8)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: T4P on November 18, 2012, 05:21:52 pm
A special red toolbox (In the words of free_electron) labelled "Widlarization toolkit"  ;) That's essential  :-+
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: SeanB on November 18, 2012, 06:21:25 pm
It also must include a 14lb sledge hammer as well, to do it properly. A steam anvil works for anything that fits in the jaws, but is a little non portable.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: rpress on January 21, 2013, 11:57:05 pm
I've been lurking around here for a while, checking things out, deciding if I should get involved.  I see a few repeat offenders who are just plain rude and it makes me wonder.  You all know who I'm talking about.  I guess it's the same everywhere.  :-\

These rude people often have valuable opinions, however my feeling is that the atmosphere they create is far more negative than the positive they might create.  It seems to me it would be easy enough to put these people on moderation, and any rude postings could just be deleted.  This would cause them to change their ways or just go away, and the burden would not be so great because it's likely less than a half dozen that are like this.

Anyway just wanted to clear the air, I think I'll go back to lurking for a bit longer.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on January 22, 2013, 07:09:29 am
yes there are a few "difficult" people and you are welcome to highlight any problem posts you see. A number of posts have been removed in the past. The object of this thread was to explain that anything other than abuse cannot be removed as otherwise we'd end up deleting alot of the forum and I created this thread because I was getting a lot of petty reports after we cracked down on abusive posts because when people realized we were taking stronger views they started reporting anything and everything just because they did't like it personally.

The troublesome people have not posted too many directly abusive posts and they will dealt with swiftly if reported, we don't have the time to moderate people on a post by post basis.

I've seen forums go wrong before when on a "certain other forum" that I left because it was the moderators that were running their own little regimes and are the villains. On here that will not happen, I am no expert and won't be using my moderator status to shove my view on how electronics works I was made a moderator because I took a fair view and tried to see both sides not for any technical expertise, and I'm sure the same goes for other moderators.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: GeoffS on January 22, 2013, 07:28:18 am
SPAM of course is the other reason to remove a post. We get surprisingly little of this considering.
I agree with simon, there are a lot of annoying people posting here butas long as they are within the rules Dave sets, they're post are acceptable.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: SeanB on January 22, 2013, 04:02:02 pm
You do not get spam much because you need a certain number of posts before the SMF will give you human status and not ask for a Captcha on each post. That stops a lot of spammers, as it is a time sink, and they want to get as many posts out as possible before being banned.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on January 22, 2013, 04:14:19 pm
THAT MUST BE A NEW ADDITION. THERE ARE PLUYGIN'S INSTALLED THAT ARE BLOCKING KNOWN SPAMMERS, I USE THE SAME ON MY OWN SMALL LOCAL FORUM AND IT HAS BLOCKED OVER 32000 SPAMMERS AND ABOUT 1 OR 2 GOT THROUGH IN ALL THAT TIME.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: rpress on January 22, 2013, 06:37:16 pm
The object of this thread was to explain that anything other than abuse cannot be removed as otherwise we'd end up deleting alot of the forum and I created this thread because I was getting a lot of petty reports after we cracked down on abusive posts because when people realized we were taking stronger views they started reporting anything and everything just because they did't like it personally.

Thanks for your thoughts.  Okay, I agree with that.  Personal viewpoints and differing opinions are what make things interesting.  However when certain posters turn things to such a negative light it really brings things down.  Of course there is some grey area in there as to what constitutes abuse.  For example things like this I find unfortunate:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/quality-pc-based-oscilloscope/30/#msg183809 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/quality-pc-based-oscilloscope/30/#msg183809)

That's just from yesterday, there's more of the same sprinkled around.  Even just the attitude of certain members is obvious, for example I'm sure you know the signature line:
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I delete PMs unread. If you have something to say, say it in public.
I love the sound of a "you are not helpful" whining in the morning.
Not exactly inviting and friendly, and most of the contributions from this member are not friendly as well.

The troublesome people have not posted too many directly abusive posts and they will dealt with swiftly if reported, we don't have the time to moderate people on a post by post basis.

I can't speak for you, but like I said it seems there are only a handful of these kind of posters.  I doubt it would be a great burden to moderate these people.

I've seen forums go wrong before when on a "certain other forum" that I left because it was the moderators that were running their own little regimes and are the villains. On here that will not happen, I am no expert and won't be using my moderator status to shove my view on how electronics works I was made a moderator because I took a fair view and tried to see both sides not for any technical expertise, and I'm sure the same goes for other moderators.

Again, I agree.  Opinions on circuit design and whatnot should not be imposed on the forum members.

My main point being that I wish this were a place to cultivate ideas with support and occasional friendly banter, rather than the vile bicker that has plagued so many other forums before; the most infamous being sci.electroncs.design.  I for one would just rather stay away from a community like that, and I'm sure many others feel the same.  Oh!  But just think what could be accomplished by us all in a supportive environment.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: GeoffS on January 22, 2013, 09:37:27 pm
You do not get spam much because you need a certain number of posts before the SMF will give you human status and not ask for a Captcha on each post. That stops a lot of spammers, as it is a time sink, and they want to get as many posts out as possible before being banned.

As Simon says, that must be an optional plugin as we do get a few 1 post spammers. As soon as they are noticed or reported, then they get deleted and the user banned.
What's fairly effective on other forums I'm on, is to have limits on the user for the first X posts i.e. can't include urls, send PM's, inlcude attachments etc. Another plugin probably.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: GeoffS on January 22, 2013, 09:45:37 pm
The best way to handle a post that you feel is offensive, is to report it using the 'Report to Moderator' button at the bottom of each post.

The wrong way is to post your complaint in the same thread. This can often start a slanging match which will most likely end up being deleted.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on January 22, 2013, 10:03:08 pm
There are forum settings in some forum software that allow limits to ease trust onto new members and stop spamming. This forum uses a mod that connects to a central database where spammers get reported too all over the world based on email, username and IP address, it is very effective as it only needs one or two forums to report them and they get banned the world over and are not even allowed to register on the forum, their registration is blocked and held for approval. So run of the mill spam is near nill. Actual real users that do cunning spam like all of the recent PCB fab posts need removing manually. Speaking of which a new member can post links etc, I have removed posts from a boad fab that put links all over his 1st post.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: rpress on January 23, 2013, 01:22:40 am
I've got my answer; it seems it's not worth discussing.  Thanks for your consideration.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on January 23, 2013, 02:49:37 pm
Indeed we hope everyone understands that at the end of each post is an individual and you can catch someone on a bad day. Any direct attacks as mentioned in my original post will not be tolerated or other obvious behavior that is clearly meant to disrupt the forum.

The idea of the report buttons is that you can flag up anything bad and we can review it, that does not necessarily mean it will be deleted although we will keep mental notes and if there is a trend on a particular user we'll do something but we can't protect everyone from the fact that on this forum you are talking to people from all over the world and a little understanding to the fact that there are people of all background and with varying levels of english.

We work on common sense - nuff said!
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on January 24, 2013, 06:46:28 am
I think you posted in the wrong thread ?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on January 24, 2013, 07:59:10 am
yes quite daft !  |O
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: SgtRock on February 08, 2013, 05:06:26 pm
Dear Moderators:

--It is becoming obvious to me that there is a move underway to deliberately irritate Dave. I just want to say I will not be responding anymore to any of the latest trollish posts. I will try mightily to avoid the political, henceforth. When Dave was participating in the political discussions, I did not mind also commenting, but now that it has become a major headache, I have no wish to add to it. I should like to say that I believe that the moderation on this Blog, has improved lately. Proof being that there is much less profane and insulting behavior. I also believe that the moderation has been even handed when forced to crack the whip. The Blog is growing up and we must grow up with it.

"Before I came here I was confused about this subject. Having listened to your lecture I am still confused. But on a higher level."
Enrico Fermi 1901 1954

Best Regards
Clear Ether
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on February 08, 2013, 05:29:06 pm
I'm not exactly sure what your referring to. Everyone has a right to their opinions, as they do to defend them.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Psychaotix on February 12, 2013, 11:27:11 pm
Interesting read and there's a number of good points made too.

I usually lurk around a very well known Australian tech forum, and have gotten to know a couple of mods quite well. The most common complaint is pretty much the same as mentioned here, trivial reports.

People have differences of opinion regarding various topics, and I know how much of a problem that can be. But really, if people took the time to actually debate the issue properly, then chances are, everyone would be happier.

Regarding the mention of using high end test equipment for a beginner? My view is that one should use the best equipment that they can REASONABLY afford. That might be a $200 oscilloscope, or a frequency reference they made from a kit. As long as it's reasonably accurate and suited for the task. If that doesn't solve the issue, then either see if you can borrow a higher end bit of equipment, or ask and see if someone's willing to do that testing for you.

That's just my 2 cents though.

Regards.
Psychaotix.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: TheEPROM9 on May 09, 2013, 09:52:38 pm
It is a shame that 100% of people cannot behave and there are always a few who try to ruin things. But that's humans, sadly they are not as simple as electronics or computers, other humans mindsets that are not logical will always be beyond me.

Running YouTube channels have the same problem, but thankfully the trolls are dumb and kind of funny so I don't consider them a problem, have not had any problems with my websites.

While I have not been on here long, it is good to see the whole community are civil engineers (pun intended :-DD). End of the day that says you are doing the right thing and large groups and channels are magnets for trolls.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on May 10, 2013, 05:51:08 am
Well over the last few months we have experienced yet again an escalation in "facebook status update" style "reports" with people just sending comments and using it as a contact button. Sending a report means that 4 of us get an email and really if you don't like what someone said, we really couldn't care less unless it is deemed as offensive.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Gigawatt on June 16, 2013, 02:35:53 pm
Enough said GROW UP CHILDREN
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on June 16, 2013, 06:32:01 pm
Enough said GROW UP CHILDREN

says the new kid on the block ????
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: oakkar7 on September 02, 2013, 01:48:56 pm
Phew  :phew:

After fighting nation wide spam issue, finally I step into this forum. The story is that.

Last a few months ago, I tried to register this forum. I got a welcome mail and wait for approved mail. I waited for a week. I tried again with different mail. But, second mail never been arrived. What?? :o
Then, I tried to post comment in blog. Filled form and comment not shown up. What?? ,, wat ??    >:(
I mailed to forum contact mail. No reply. What?? ,, wat ??  :wtf:

After some research, I found out the problem.

I am from Myanmar and I notice that some of my ISP proxy address are in spammer lists such as botscout.com, www.stopforumspam.com (http://www.stopforumspam.com), projecthoneypot.org. So, spammer filter from this forum block these IP.

But please notice that all users at Myanmar are behind those proxies and firewall. These IP addresses are belong to my ISP Yatanarpon Teleport.
If you block these IP range, no one from Myanmar cannot register to forum because there is only One public ISP in Myanmar(Yes, if you believe it or not :D ).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_Burma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_Burma)

So, dear admins, pls don't filter these IP range 203.81.175.xxx and 203.81.172.xxx.

( I also faced this problem in other forums (HackADay, sparkfun, adafruit etc). Some are solved and some cannot. I also requested these spam filter sites for white list, not improved)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Galenbo on December 24, 2013, 01:35:06 pm
I'm afraid that most chinese mass manufactured are junk, and that is just a fact, nothing offensive. As a quality inspector I have to deal with this on a daily basis.

Most of the chinese products are top quality. They only sell their crap to Europe, because most europeans are stupid enough to buy that junk.
Still not offensive?
:-)

Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on December 24, 2013, 04:12:57 pm
I'm afraid that most chinese mass manufactured are junk, and that is just a fact, nothing offensive. As a quality inspector I have to deal with this on a daily basis.

Most of the chinese products are top quality. They only sell their crap to Europe, because most europeans are stupid enough to buy that junk.
Still not offensive?
:-)

yes europe is stupid enough to buy the junk, if people did not buy it then they would not make it and possibly expect good stuff from china or find that goods made in their own country is actually affordable when you take into account quality and lifetime of the product. I find it hard to beleive that people expect to pay so little for things that will last more than five minutes. While our governments run around slapping taxes all over us in the name of being green and while individuals make every effort to be ecological we are having crap from china rammed down our throats made with coal fueled power station power and dragged half way around the world to be dumped in landfill weeks after being bought.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: calexanian on December 24, 2013, 07:49:43 pm
Here i the U.S. people buy their fair share of cheap junk. After all, we invented the WalMart Super Store and needed to fill it with cheap junk nobody really needs. But the prices are so cheap, you can't stay out of the damn place!
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: GeoffS on January 23, 2014, 02:30:32 pm
You didn't stop to consider that it may have been Dave who locked the thread?
He's also a moderator.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on January 23, 2014, 02:48:52 pm


I've seen this happen before. Mods drunk on power. It never ends well, the forum eventually dies because slowly they annoy all the regular posters and they give up posting.

You are so wide of the mark that it's offensive. Moderating is a bit of a chore and with comments like yours is fast becoming not worth the hassle as sorting out some petty spats takes so much time and no we are not all seeing so can only do our best with the thread in hand at the time, when the forum is rampant with mud throwing fights and spam you will also be complaining about mods who can't be bothered.

Moderating requests are rising as the forum grows and it's more difficult to keep tabs on people and things get pettier or people can't care less about what they say that because they think it does not matter on the internet.

You should try moderating yourself, then you would see that it's not so fun and easy. I don't mind being of service to the community but I'm not about to have my time wasted.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: GeoffS on January 23, 2014, 02:57:21 pm
What Simon said!
Removing the spam and moving posts around is the easy bit. Keeping threads on track, deleting offending posts, warning users is a thankless but necessary task, necessary to the smooth running of the forum.
Occasionally a user will post a complaint about a deleted post or locked thread and gain some sympathy from others who don't get to see the full picture or know what's going on behind the scenes..
Be assured that if Dave thinks moderation is out of hand, he'll step in and correct it, After all, this forum is part of his livelihood.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: c4757p on January 23, 2014, 03:09:47 pm
Moderating requests are rising as the forum grows and it's more difficult to keep tabs on people and things get pettier or people can't care less about what they say that because they think it does not matter on the internet.

What about finding another mod to add? It seems like GeoffS gets stuck with most of the OT load, maybe somebody could help lighten that a bit.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: GeoffS on January 23, 2014, 03:14:29 pm

What about finding another mod to add? It seems like GeoffS gets stuck with most of the OT load, maybe somebody could help lighten that a bit.

Dave has this in hand.
In some magical fairy land, people would report off topic posts instead of responding to them and threads would never drift off topic but this being the real world, or at least the internet, you need someone to put in the boot now and then. I have big feet.  :)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: dr.diesel on January 23, 2014, 03:16:18 pm
I'd volunteer, but be forewarned, anything with nice boobs stays, and anything posted by Roland will instantly vanish.   :-DD
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: GeoffS on January 23, 2014, 03:18:02 pm
I'd volunteer, but be forewarned, anything with nice boobs stays, and anything posted by Roland will instantly vanish.   :-DD
Too late, roland has left the building.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: GeoffS on January 23, 2014, 03:27:31 pm
There are a couple of SMF mods that will show a a banned status against a user's avatar or even replace the avatar.
I might suggest to Dave we look at one of these.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on January 23, 2014, 03:44:24 pm
Moderating requests are rising as the forum grows and it's more difficult to keep tabs on people and things get pettier or people can't care less about what they say that because they think it does not matter on the internet.

What about finding another mod to add? It seems like GeoffS gets stuck with most of the OT load, maybe somebody could help lighten that a bit.

It's also the sheer size of the thing now, when we were a few hundred members we self moderated as people were respectful of each other because we all read all of the forum and we moderated each other and poeple knew that what they post today will be remembered for months to come, now it is the size it is we can't remember or even see what everyone says and make character judgments, we used to know who to give a break and who ust needed asking to stop being stupid but with size comes complication. with lots of moderators one person will be dealt with by more than one moderator so one person cannot have the full picture about another.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: wilheldp on January 23, 2014, 05:41:06 pm
I'd volunteer, but be forewarned, anything with nice boobs stays, and anything posted by Roland will instantly vanish.   :-DD
Too late, roland has left the building.

I was actually going to PM you or Simon about him.  He seems to like to start shit then "walk out" about 50 times a thread.  He also PM'd me several times admonishing me for being condescending to him.  I was fairly certain after several days of this that he was just a very clever troll.  I'm glad you guys saw this before I had to mention it.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on January 23, 2014, 05:51:12 pm
well that is the power of the report button... when used correctly
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: David_AVD on January 23, 2014, 08:30:09 pm
I read this forum for the on-topic content, not religion or politics (unless it's somehow electronics news related like the NBN, etc).

It's a shame some members don't think twice (or even once!) before posting.  Read over your post (or preview it) and consider if it's appropriate before hitting the post button.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: GeoffS on January 23, 2014, 11:26:43 pm

I was actually going to PM you or Simon about him.  He seems to like to start shit then "walk out" about 50 times a thread.  He also PM'd me several times admonishing me for being condescending to him.  I was fairly certain after several days of this that he was just a very clever troll.  I'm glad you guys saw this before I had to mention it.

As Simon has said, that's the power of the report button.
Personal abuse either in a post or via PM is against the rules. We might have gotten rid of the offender earlier!
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: GeoffS on January 23, 2014, 11:35:43 pm
There have been (and still are) LOTS of users I would like to have on my ban list but as a moderator, you can't really do that.
You have to read the bad posts along with the good.
I do have a ban hammer which is a lot more fun  >:D
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: apelly on January 24, 2014, 12:09:46 am
ignore lists
I looked for an ignore list the other day figuring there must be something like that somewhere but I came up empty handed. Now I find it under profile>modify profile>buddies/ignore list...

I expected to find a link on the users profile.

Anyway, thanks for reassuring me that it existed somewhere. Have I missed an easier way to ignore someone? (apart from, well; simply ignoring them... :D)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: wilheldp on January 24, 2014, 12:17:32 am

I was actually going to PM you or Simon about him.  He seems to like to start shit then "walk out" about 50 times a thread.  He also PM'd me several times admonishing me for being condescending to him.  I was fairly certain after several days of this that he was just a very clever troll.  I'm glad you guys saw this before I had to mention it.

As Simon has said, that's the power of the report button.
Personal abuse either in a post or via PM is against the rules. We might have gotten rid of the offender earlier!

I wouldn't qualify his PMs as "abuse," as much as they were just a minor annoyance.  I say he was a clever troll because he stopped short of outright trolling (like Integrated Value's recent post), but everything he did was very troll-like.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: GeoffS on January 24, 2014, 01:02:19 am

A few weeks ago I asked about why the "add to buddy list" is available directly from a click on the username but not ignore list. I assume it is an option but nothing came of it.

I don't use it all that often but I can't but help think it would be an effective tool to use on a new Troll. A bit like lowering the control rods into a nuclear reactor to slow down the reaction.

This feature for SMF has been requested a few times but to date, nothing has been done about it. A mod does exist but it's too old to use with the current version of SMF used here.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Bored@Work on January 24, 2014, 06:04:02 am
Anyway, thanks for reassuring me that it existed somewhere. Have I missed an easier way to ignore someone? (apart from, well; simply ignoring them... :D)

For convenience for some time I have described the way to use it in my signature. Not that the crybabies "you are so mean by telling me playing with 120V and having no clue is dangerous" care. But well ...
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: apelly on January 24, 2014, 12:53:59 pm
I wish I'd thought of that. Sigh.
Title: Moderaton
Post by: zapta on January 29, 2014, 05:13:36 am
Hmm... I don't think this forum is suitable for the reply I'd like to make. Especially since geoffs is playing delete-undelete-delete games again. Now one post I made in this thread and he deleted is restored, but his announcement of that deletion and my reply to him are deleted. Gee, and I wasn't even rude. Ah well, you know where to see it.

Same here. Moderation got absurd recently.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on April 13, 2014, 08:07:32 am
once a post is deleted it is gone and cannot be recovered.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: PedroDaGr8 on April 27, 2014, 06:20:50 pm
Possible spammer:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?area=showposts;u=95221 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?area=showposts;u=95221)

Basically, his posts come across as a hybrid between a spam-bot and a human. More telling is that his about field says "The Self-Testing Red LED exit sign" and his website links to that site. It looks like his means of spamming and getting around all of the restrictions most sites have on links in posts etc.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: GeoffS on April 27, 2014, 11:42:34 pm
Possible spammer:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?area=showposts;u=95221 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?area=showposts;u=95221)

Basically, his posts come across as a hybrid between a spam-bot and a human. More telling is that his about field says "The Self-Testing Red LED exit sign" and his website links to that site. It looks like his means of spamming and getting around all of the restrictions most sites have on links in posts etc.

Best way to report this sort of thing is via the Report to Moderator button.
User has been dealt with.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: electronics man on April 29, 2014, 08:53:05 pm
To clever this up, when it says guest next to someone name does this men a moderator has deleted them or they have deleted themselves?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Alucard on March 24, 2015, 03:38:53 am
To clever this up, when it says guest next to someone name does this men a moderator has deleted them or they have deleted themselves?

Could be both. SMF lets members delete their account for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on March 24, 2015, 07:00:19 am
Possible spammer:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?area=showposts;u=95221 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?area=showposts;u=95221)

Basically, his posts come across as a hybrid between a spam-bot and a human. More telling is that his about field says "The Self-Testing Red LED exit sign" and his website links to that site. It looks like his means of spamming and getting around all of the restrictions most sites have on links in posts etc.

Best way to report this sort of thing is via the Report to Moderator button.
User has been dealt with.

Yes please click report post if you have a concern. I agree those look dubious, it's a person with nothing to say that uses a well known template for "replying" to things without having anything to say just to get posts out there. Thry do that build up a base of posts and then edit their profile like their signature so that it applies to all old posts and suddenly their in business - or so they think. Unfortunately all I can do is ban them and delete posts only Dave or probably Seppy now can delete the actual account and that gives you the option of removing posts with the account.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Stonent on June 29, 2015, 08:01:07 am
Spammer.  Got a PM from this guy:

Hello
Here we EasyAcc come to the 3rd anniversary celebration next month. A big 7-day great savings, which offers different hottest products at the best price, up to 65% off, is going to be on line from 7.13 to 7.19. Wha't more, here is an iPhone 6s (7) giveaway. Sounds great?
If possible, we'd like to invite you to write an article about the summer surprise, especially the iPhone 6s(7) for free.  And we do hope you add some news about our anniversary at the last paragraph in your article. (More details please check our active page, http://www.somespamsite.com/anniversary-hot-sales/. (http://www.somespamsite.com/anniversary-hot-sales/.) ) Maybe the title can be: Amazon 20th x EasyAcc 3rd Anniversary Promotion:***. Because we are propagating EasyAcc 3rd Anniversary, so more users will search and maybe read your article, i think that's really a Win - Win. Of course, we are so happy to send you one Power bank below as a gift.

(Spam links removed)

Feel free to ask if you have any questions, and we looking forward to your reply.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: miguelvp on June 29, 2015, 08:05:28 am
^Got a PM from the same user and with the same text
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: tautech on June 29, 2015, 08:20:23 am
Ban him.  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Halcyon on July 03, 2015, 02:42:09 am
Guys, just curious, what happened to the "Solar BS" thread with the guy "measuring" the roadway with a multimeter? Did someone external have a whinge?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: miguelvp on July 03, 2015, 03:59:41 am
Guys, just curious, what happened to the "Solar BS" thread with the guy "measuring" the roadway with a multimeter? Did someone external have a whinge?

What do you mean?

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/crowd-funded-projects/more-solar-roadway-like-nonsense/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/crowd-funded-projects/more-solar-roadway-like-nonsense/)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Halcyon on July 03, 2015, 04:18:19 am
Guys, just curious, what happened to the "Solar BS" thread with the guy "measuring" the roadway with a multimeter? Did someone external have a whinge?

What do you mean?

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/crowd-funded-projects/more-solar-roadway-like-nonsense/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/crowd-funded-projects/more-solar-roadway-like-nonsense/)

That's the one. I didn't realise it got moved. All good :-)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: apelly on July 05, 2015, 12:37:40 pm
I don't report much stuff.

Is it just me, or does the reason/comment field seem extremely small to you guys too?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: SeanB on July 05, 2015, 01:29:02 pm
It does hold a lot of text though. I generally try to keep the report to about the length of a SMS (140chars) so you write a succinct description, the mods are not exactly clueless, they get the post, the comment and that really is all the info they need, your report needs not to be large.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on July 06, 2015, 07:00:33 am
It is a bit on the small side but as far as i know you can put as much text in as you want, I have received reports spanning a few lines and they have been useful but most often for spam or name calling the current box is enough.

If you have something that needs a detailed description you can always PM or email me.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: mav_iqdirect on August 04, 2015, 12:06:25 pm
Hi, All! Recently I wrote a post on EEVblog forum and I wanted to make some corrections to the post itself and to profile. But my account was banned for some unknown reason without any notice.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on August 04, 2015, 12:46:30 pm
Hi, All! Recently I wrote a post on EEVblog forum and I wanted to make some corrections to the post itself and to profile. But my account was banned for some unknown reason without any notice.

Your account is not banned. If it was you wouldn't be able to post here!
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: PA0PBZ on August 04, 2015, 12:48:16 pm
Hi, All! Recently I wrote a post on EEVblog forum and I wanted to make some corrections to the post itself and to profile. But my account was banned for some unknown reason without any notice.

Your account is not banned. If it was you wouldn't be able to post here!

He's talking about his original account:  https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?u=110608 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?u=110608)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: mav_iqdirect on August 04, 2015, 12:50:28 pm
He's talking about his original account:  https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?u=110608 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?u=110608)

Yes, you are right. This is my original account. Sorry I didn't specify it for the first time.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: c4757p on August 08, 2015, 06:02:48 pm
Can we please get Iliya the hell off this forum now? He's beyond using this as a place to bicker with his customers - he just publicly posted a customer's private address (and then deleted it) because he was pissed! That's 4chan shit. We don't need that here, this forum shouldn't be the gutter of the EE community. (post deleted from the rough vicinity of above this one (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/free-unlimited-version-of-autotrax-pcb-design-software/msg726849/#msg726849)).
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: ccs46 on August 08, 2015, 06:09:09 pm
Can we please get Iliya the hell off this forum now? He's beyond using this as a place to bicker with his customers - he just publicly posted a customer's private address (and then deleted it) because he was pissed! That's 4chan shit. We don't need that here, this forum shouldn't be the gutter of the EE community. (post deleted from the rough vicinity of above this one (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/free-unlimited-version-of-autotrax-pcb-design-software/msg726849/#msg726849)).
I +1 this.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Bob F. on August 08, 2015, 06:55:22 pm
Can we please get Iliya the hell off this forum now? He's beyond using this as a place to bicker with his customers - he just publicly posted a customer's private address (and then deleted it) because he was pissed! That's 4chan shit. We don't need that here, this forum shouldn't be the gutter of the EE community. (post deleted from the rough vicinity of above this one (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/free-unlimited-version-of-autotrax-pcb-design-software/msg726849/#msg726849)).
Yeah - he went way beyond acceptable there.  All the rest was just him digging himself ever deeper  :popcorn:  but that was unacceptable (and probably criminal under The Data Protection Act as he lives in the UK).
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: miguelvp on August 08, 2015, 07:35:33 pm
Can we please get Iliya the hell off this forum now? He's beyond using this as a place to bicker with his customers - he just publicly posted a customer's private address (and then deleted it) because he was pissed! That's 4chan shit. We don't need that here, this forum shouldn't be the gutter of the EE community. (post deleted from the rough vicinity of above this one (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/free-unlimited-version-of-autotrax-pcb-design-software/msg726849/#msg726849)).

I get that you are pissed and also that he posted someone's (non-customer) address because that person was in his own words fishing (to me looks more like trolling, by taunting Iliya that he was going to post a cracked version of Iliya's software). I also get that he is highly unprofessional (Iliya) but what I also get is that even if you are a costumer of his, you have somewhat a vested interest since after all you work on a competing product.

So, even if I don't like how Iliya behaves, I think there is a conflict of interest in your request and it's a bit unprofessional to even request it. Looking at that thread and how more wood keeps on being thrown to the fire with insults left and right I think there are more than one to blame.

Granted, Iliya gets rattled easily, but the people that keeps on rattling him are a bit at fault as well.

To me it all comes down to this, people complaint that the software is no longer free and keep pushing him to make it free, he doesn't want it but they keep pushing him, he explodes and everything gets out of control.

At least that's what my observation is from reading what happened.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: c4757p on August 08, 2015, 07:41:45 pm
Good thing it's only a request and I don't actually have the power to do it, then. Not that I wouldn't have done it a looooong time ago if I had. I have ops on #eevblog and he'd have lasted a good twenty minutes tops there. People like him drag down the level of any place they go.

Besides, it's plain to anyone that I'm not trying to get rid of him to encourage people to use KiCad. Come on. It's an open source project, I don't make any money off it, I have no interest in getting more people to use it. I have flat out told people not to use it until after the next release, because the previous one was complete crap.

And like I said, I think his ass should be banned for sharing private information, not arguing. That's not even slightly related to my work on KiCad. It's not related to insults, arguing, bickering between sides, or anything. I've never suggested someone should be banned here for arguing. I'd be a massive bloody hypocrite if I did that, I'm hardly the model for being unargumentative (at least on this forum). Iliya is only the second person I've ever wanted to ban, not counting outright spammers, since I joined this forum; the other was Bored@Work who absolutely delighted in viciously attacking newbies. There is no excuse for what he did.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: firewalker on August 09, 2015, 03:29:29 pm
by taunting Iliya that he was going to post a cracked version of Iliya's software).

No, that it not true. I was referring to the free version Iliya gave us. No crack, no reverse engineering, no nothing. Everyone was able to download it by a simple click on a url. No EULA no, nothing. Just another free program. When he stated that he didn;t wanted users to share it I respected his wish. What he did before stating his will, was the bad thing.

What if he decides tomorrow that he doesn't want people using the free version on their computers? Send a Cease and Desist order to every email that download the free version (at some point you had to give him an email for the free version. Later on it was a single click to download)?

The "fishing" wasn;t intended as trolling him. I was expecting a response for the new version tbh. Something like "You can use/share the old version, but the one one is really better".

Alexander.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: timofonic on August 20, 2015, 04:43:08 pm
Can you move the QucsStudio thread from General Chat to Open Source stuff? Please.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: tautech on August 31, 2015, 10:31:47 pm
I'd like to report a post but the report link doesn't appear on it, presumably because it is by a moderator. Is there some way I can do it?
Oh dear.
This does suggest they are a law unto themselves.  :-DD
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Zero999 on August 31, 2015, 10:35:01 pm
I'd like to report a post but the report link doesn't appear on it, presumably because it is by a moderator. Is there some way I can do it?
Send Dave a PM with a link to the post which you feel violates the rules?

You could also PM the poster asking them to consider removing/editing it.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Balaur on August 31, 2015, 11:08:36 pm
the other was Bored@Work who absolutely delighted in viciously attacking newbies

I miss that curmudgeon.  :'(

Each year in our industry makes you like him more. After a couple of decades you'll come to appreciate his well balanced and mildly mannered online persona and start wishing for him to be more outspoken.  >:D
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: vk6zgo on September 01, 2015, 12:53:49 am
the other was Bored@Work who absolutely delighted in viciously attacking newbies

I miss that curmudgeon.  :'(

Each year in our industry makes you like him more. After a couple of decades you'll come to appreciate his well balanced and mildly mannered online persona and start wishing for him to be more outspoken.  >:D

Was he banned,or did he just get bored? ;D
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on September 01, 2015, 12:57:23 am
Was he banned,or did he just get bored? ;D

He was temporarily banned and never returned.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on September 01, 2015, 12:58:25 am
I'd like to report a post but the report link doesn't appear on it, presumably because it is by a moderator. Is there some way I can do it?

Let me guess, it's my recent post shutting down that thread that was headed down the feminist black hole?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Galenbo on September 01, 2015, 10:43:24 am
Apparently, the guy's mangina still hurts from those comments.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on September 01, 2015, 01:48:45 pm
I went and read the thread. I think Mojo was not treated fairly. I don't think the comments relating to Mojo were justified. The thread could have been closed without specific personal public comment. That thread went off the rails long before. Stronger reasons to close it existed.

I have not read the thread, all I know is that Mojochan will continue to rant about feminism ad nauseum, there will be no end, he's done it countless times before, that's why it was shut down.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Galenbo on September 02, 2015, 03:17:35 pm
"Mojochan our resident feminist obsessed poster will drag it into the toilet."

The thread could have been closed without specific personal public comment.

But compared to how that guy is the champion in badgering and commenting on others, the comment on him was still really friendly.
No need for him to pull the hurt victim card.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: dr.diesel on September 02, 2015, 03:20:32 pm
But compared to how that guy is the champion in badgering and commenting on others, the comment on him was still really friendly.
No need for him to pull the hurt victim card.

I'm really surprised Dave has put up with him for so long.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on September 03, 2015, 12:15:48 am
Moderation is not "black and white", and moderators cannot view every thread, it's primarily a report based system.
By not black and white, I mean that those who have a history of something on the forum will not be cut the same slack as everyone else, as it is often clear they will never let up on topic and will ultimately drag it down into the toilet. This is the case here, Mojochan has a history in feminism/sexism/gender threads and simply will not let up on the subject, so I shut it down. I do not want it going off-topic and polluting the Unread Posts list.
Same thing happens on other topics like conspiracy theories or religion for example.
I do not want to ban otherwise good and productive posters because they have a pet off-topic subject they won't let up on occasionally, that can be delt with in other ways.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: mswhin63 on September 03, 2015, 01:26:47 am
Moderation is not "black and white", and moderators cannot view every thread, it's primarily a report based system.

Otherwise you wouldn't have time to make videos
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on September 03, 2015, 09:03:53 am
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It's Dave's attitude that is the problem.

It's my "attitude" that allows this forum to operate as smoothly as it does. I think it's working pretty well.

Quote
Despite repeated attempts to reach out and normalize relations all I get is this. This is what I was afraid of:
Quote from: EEVblog
I mean that those who have a history of something on the forum will not be cut the same slack as everyone else

And what's the problem with that? It's a perfectly legitimate and sensible way to run a forum.
If someone who has no history of getting carried away on say politics or religion make a few posts on that topic, then moderators don't have to be too concerned that they will escalate the thread and there is a good chance the thread will just die out.
But if someone with a known history of banging on and on and on about a particular topic jumped into a thread about that and starts, there is a very high chance the thread will get out of control. Hence they might very well be told to stay out of the thread, or the thread might get locked, or at worst, put on temporary ban (rare).

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It's become such a problem that Dave even banned criticism of himself for use of certain problematic language

Rubbish, cite proof.

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Apparently there is nothing I can do or say to change this.

No, because your actions have spoken well enough for you in the past.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on September 03, 2015, 10:56:00 am
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It's become such a problem that Dave even banned criticism of himself for use of certain problematic language

Rubbish, cite proof.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-767-super-regenerative-receiver-problems/msg711333/#msg711333 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-767-super-regenerative-receiver-problems/msg711333/#msg711333)

You later clarified that "PLONKED" meant banned.

Wow, you are complaining about that? Really?
I said:
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Well here's a little heads up, people who continually harp on about the same thing about my videos over and over tend to get themselves PLONKED.

You seriously expect me to take criticism about the same thing over and over and over again from the same person?
Really?
Why should I?
If you have criticism, say it, I encourage it. I have never, and will never censor one-off criticism. Cite one example were I have done this.
But you can bet your arse if you just pester me with the same crap over and over, I'll ban your arse. That's when criticism becomes harassment and I will not tolerate it.

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Honestly, don't you think that is a bit unreasonable?

Nope.
I've been dealing with people on forums for 25+ years, and there is one thing I have learned, people don't change.
In your case your reputation of jumping on anything feminism, sexism etc related is very well earned, through your own hand and also reports about you, it's not a figment of my imagination or any persona vendetta.

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I'm trying to improve the situation, but you are saying there is literally nothing I can say or do. If you want me to leave then just ask, because that's the impression I get.

If I wanted you gone, you'd be gone.
You once asked me to remove all your posts on the forum because you had had enough, I could simply have done that and you were gone, by your own request. But I didn't do it, I was polite, I explained things, and gave you a chance to reconsider. You're welcome.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: zapta on September 03, 2015, 01:59:01 pm
Someone else brought it up, I responded. It wasn't even really about feminism, it was about how poor the quality of the argument in the video was. Feminism seems to be a trigger word for Dave.

Mojo Chan, here is an explanation that you can understand. Your posts here create a lot of externalized distraction and waste of time and offend some people so Dave's is looking out for the interests of the community and is regulating the posts for the common good. 

You see, it all makes sense now!
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: timb on September 03, 2015, 02:29:44 pm
Oh my god. Please, just ban mojo-chan already. If he's not talking about his SUPER KAWAII JAPANESE GIRLFRIEND FROM JAPAN he's playing up the feminist/genderist/environmentalists/whateverist card to the extreme. He has zero common sense, a complete lack of introspection and absolutely no shame.

To top all this off, I have never seen a single electronics post that he has contributed to in any significant manner. In fact, I could write a forum "chatbot" plugin that grepped certain keywords and then posted random feminist Tumblr entries as replies to replace him with and I bet nobody would notice the difference.

I don't know if you have ass-burgers or what mojo, but you seriously need to slow your roll and take stock. If you're anything like you are on this forum IRL, then you must be "that guy" and I feel sorry for you.

That's just my twenty eight cents.


Sent from my Tablet
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on September 03, 2015, 11:53:00 pm
You seriously expect me to take criticism about the same thing over and over and over again from the same person?
If by "over and over again" you mean ONCE for that particular video, then yes. If you mean "I keep doing it, and people keep pointing it out each time" then still yes.

So you admit to harassing me over and over with complaint?

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Just so we are all on the same page, here is the entirety of what I said about that video in my comment (no previous posts by me in that thread):

No one cares, I don't care, just let it go, ok?

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Nope. I have the emails and PMs to prove it. If that's the way you remember it then it just re-enforced my earlier point.

I don't have the remember it. Direct quote from you in your first email to me (Gmail never forgets), with the subject title "Removal of my data":
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Can you please remove all my posts, but keep my account open? I'd like to use it to keep track of what threads I have read. If you can for some reason then please just remove the ban and I'll delete them myself. Thanks.

Please let me know if that request still stands, I'm happy to oblige.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Delta on September 05, 2015, 12:04:38 am
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It's clear there is no reasoning with you. I'll consider what to do.

May I politely recommend that you consider fucking off?

Edit in the cold light of day: Sorry, that might have sounded a bit nasty, but I was attempting to be humorous whilst pointing out that you are entitled to leave if you so wish.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Galenbo on September 05, 2015, 11:14:55 am
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... I'll consider what to do.

Oh no, please don't shut down your account and restart as a new user.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: jitter on September 06, 2015, 08:00:12 am
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Why do you think Dave's favourite phrase annoys me so much? Could it be because we have both been on the wrong end of it before?

Dave seems to have a lot of favourite phrases, which one annoys you and why?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: SeanB on September 06, 2015, 08:21:11 am
I will hazard a guess at the annoying phrase being "One Hung Low". Can be very insulting if you are going to take affront to a saying not directed at you specifically.

Then again, i have been called many things. There are a few trigger words, but I cannot use them on this forum, because I would be banned, and if you use them to my face you might get your teeth handed to you on a plate. But I learned from the military a whole lot of words that are insulting, so most times it rolls off like water off a duck's back. Some of those words have been used on this forum, but as they were not directed at me in particular I just ignore them.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: vk6zgo on September 06, 2015, 11:04:28 am
However on this forum it seems to have morphed into a not even veiled insult to the Chinese and all things Chinese made. I think its use-by date has passed. Whether or not it is a racial slur depends more on how it is received than spoken.

Agreed.

Think about what the effect of using it is for a moment. It re-enforces the stereotype that all Chinese goods are shoddy, and that Chinese people do shoddy work or have no interest in quality. It's basically the same stuff that was said about the Japanese once, and black people before that, and Spanish/Italian people in Europe etc. The result is that Chinese people have to deal with this automatic assumption, which disadvantages them.

A lot of people can't seem to understand this. They are generally the ones with a lot of privilege. Being white in a country like Australia is not going to hinder you much, but being Chinese might. Take Dave's recent Mailbag #787. He reviews the Zhiyun Z1-Evolution, and say "yes it's made in China, but..." As in, "yes it starts from a disadvantaged position (being made in China), but despite that it's good anyway".

The term for this kind of thing is "microaggression". Sadly Dave does it a lot, less in his videos but more so on his Twitter feed which I guess is a bit more "raw". On this forum though, there are many who are much, much more overt and well into bigotry.

One of the "rites of passage" of countries developing their industrial capacity is the manufacture of low cost & often low quality products.
At the time that Japanese products were regarded as poor quality,that was largely true of the cheap stuff ,but as everyone saw a bit too late,it was patently not the case with their WW2 military equipment.

After the War,they had to start again from scratch,going through the same stages,with the additional burden of being  the "former enemy".
As the higher value items became the common products from Japan,the quality improved,as there was more money available for quality control.etc.

China had to come out of a fairly rigid Communist state,where consumer items were of low priority,with all the best Engineering going into "Nation-building" projects & the Military.
That country has had to go,(& is still largely,going) through the same steps.

Other countries have had a reputation for junk-------just after WW2,some incredibly regrettable products came out of Germany.

Some UK products have  had poor reputations ,see:- "Joseph Lucas--Prince of Darkness",the term "Brummy" for cheap costume jewellery out of Birmingham,etc.
Of course,it was all "British & Best" to the Brits--but often "Pommy crap" to Aussies stuck on outback roads!

I'm presently battling with a USA made MFJ Antenna tuning unit which has a fairly complex rotary inductor.
The common name among Hams for MFJ stuff is "Mighty Fine Junk!"---a bit unfair,but "give dog a bad name".

By the way,being Australian,of whatever ethnicity,in Australia is no "bowl of cherries" as the popular image of Australian workers among some parts of the Employer community,is that they are all "Bludgers"(Oz slang for Loafers).

Chinese people are regarded as "clever, well educated & hard working"---somehow,as soon as they get an Oz Passport,they undergo a frightening metamorphosis,& become "Bludgers"!
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Galenbo on September 06, 2015, 11:23:07 am
The term for this kind of thing is "microaggression".
And the whole-covering term is cultural marxism.
Used very often by racists these days against white hetero man.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: timb on September 06, 2015, 12:03:03 pm
Mojo, the reason Chinese goods are regarded as junk is, for the most part, they are built to a price and of low quality. That's not to say they can't produce good quality items; they often do. They just have a bad reputation of making low quality copies, outright IP theft, cutting corners, poor workmanship and low quality. Is this reputation deserved? Right now: Yes.

In time, I'm sure they'll produce high quality goods on a whole; just like Japan.

It's not racism to say Chinese goods are crap; it's true of a lot (but not all) the stuff produced there.

They certainly don't need you white knighting them.

As for your SUPER NI HAIO GIRLFRIEND, unless she runs a factory that produces such goods, the sentiment in no way applies to her.

You should spend more time worried about yourself and less time dying for everyone else's sins. You're like an Aspie Jesus or something.


Sent from my Smartphone
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on September 06, 2015, 12:11:24 pm
Guys, this thread is for moderation report talk only, not general arguments.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: jitter on September 06, 2015, 03:46:36 pm
Guys, this thread is for moderation report talk only, not general arguments.

Okay, no problem.

But I would like to say to everyone: don't take expressions that convey a sentiment too seriously. They're often only meant to be taken comically.
E.g.: there are a lot of expressions in the English language with the word "Dutch" in it that are not particularly positive, but they are only expressions...

"Sticks and stones will break my bones
But words will never harm me."
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: zapta on September 06, 2015, 06:44:42 pm
Guys, this thread is for moderation report talk only, not general arguments.

We need a section dedicated for Mojochanism.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: dr.diesel on September 09, 2015, 01:20:58 pm
I'm getting abusive emails and harassment on social media, apparently from an EEVBlog user. Can the moderators please check if anyone is using IP address 73.48.3.147 and take action.

Mods here have no jurisdiction over your email or social media.  If it doesn't happen here they can't do shit about it.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Delta on September 09, 2015, 02:38:29 pm
Get a fucking grip Mojo, seriously mate.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on September 09, 2015, 02:39:47 pm
To be clear, I'm saying that if they can identify that user from their IP address they should take action. I've already contacted the social media sites and their ISP.

Please also delete the "won hung low" thread. Like similar threads on 4chan, it's just encouraging harassment and this person cites it.

Long long ago I warned you to keep out of that thread and you did not. Now what do you want me to do ? What you do and say is your choice. You should not be getting harassment on other sites and that is not appropriate behaviour but we can only lay it on their conscience and sense of morality if they have any.

The damage is already done, I can't do anything about matters outside of this forum and IP addresses change often and can be masked. How have people been able to follow you from here onto social meadia ? I don't want to be funny but you have attracted "attention" for a long time. If you are going to do that at least try and insulate yourself on here so that you cannot be followed elsewhere if that is going to be a problem.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on September 09, 2015, 03:07:43 pm
EEVBlog's policy on harassment is now officially worse than 4chan.  :palm:

That site at least bans users who use their site as a staging ground for harassment elsewhere.

Excuse me ? since when do we have power over other sites and internet providers ? You really do need to grow up. Again i ask, how did anyone find you elsewhere ? you have been "controversial" for a long time you much have known there was a risk. Tou will have to take matters up with the administrators of whatever website you are having a problem on, not coming back over here and having a sulk.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Galenbo on September 09, 2015, 05:50:27 pm
... Tou will have to take matters up with the administrators of whatever website you are having a problem on, not coming back over here and having a sulk.
My guess is the guy already made some new enemies there, and they already kicked him out.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: zapta on September 09, 2015, 07:56:51 pm
EEVBlog's policy on harassment is now officially worse than 4chan.  :palm:

That site at least bans users who use their site as a staging ground for harassment elsewhere.

Please go away. You are harassing this community.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on September 09, 2015, 09:57:43 pm
EEVBlog's policy on harassment is now officially worse than 4chan.  :palm:

That site at least bans users who use their site as a staging ground for harassment elsewhere.

Please go away. You are harassing this community.

Your wish has been artificially imposed, so now we can all stop talking about it!
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on September 09, 2015, 10:31:41 pm
I'm getting abusive emails and harassment on social media, apparently from an EEVBlog user. Can the moderators please check if anyone is using IP address 73.48.3.147 and take action.

No account under that IP
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on September 09, 2015, 10:40:11 pm
It seems Mojochan has deleted most of his posts.
Let me know when it's ok to close your account Mojo, happy to oblige.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Zero999 on September 09, 2015, 10:50:29 pm
It seems Mojochan has deleted most of his posts.
Let me know when it's ok to close your account Mojo, happy to oblige.
Why not just ban him, along with the IP address he's used to make most of his posts?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on September 09, 2015, 10:59:46 pm
It seems Mojochan has deleted most of his posts.
Let me know when it's ok to close your account Mojo, happy to oblige.
Why not just ban him, along with the IP address he's used to make most of his posts?

I see Simon has already taken care of that. Mojochan won't be back.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: vk6zgo on September 10, 2015, 02:08:29 am
I Googled for "mojo-chan"& got a lot of hits.-------No, mojo,I'm not stalking you.
He seems to be well represented in Computer sites & a number of others.

Strangely,I didn't find any examples of his more "aggro" side.

I do have a forum I would suggest to him which has had vigorous debate on the subjects dear to his heart.

It is somewhat more "robust" than this one,but has rather strange,not to say capricious,moderation,practices----certain "trigger words" will get your posting removed,without appeal,except for a PM to the Moderator.

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/ (http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: jitter on September 10, 2015, 05:40:44 am
Perhaps he had ulterior motives for posting here, hence the change in attitude. Why else be like this :) on those forums and like  :rant: here?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on September 10, 2015, 06:08:57 am
It seems Mojochan has deleted most of his posts.
Let me know when it's ok to close your account Mojo, happy to oblige.
Why not just ban him, along with the IP address he's used to make most of his posts?

I see Simon has already taken care of that. Mojochan won't be back.

He reported a random thread and just put abuse in the reason for reporting, got that twice. I think that counts for asking to be banned. I was going to reply to the email but thought better of supplying my email.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Halcyon on September 10, 2015, 10:13:35 am
Please don't close my account. I use it to keep tabs on what I have read, without commenting (except for these reports, obviously). I'm also still getting some PMs of support that are nice to read.

Mojo-chan, it's great you have supporters and I mean that without any sarcasm. But I have to be honest, you have struck a nerve with quite a lot of people on this forum, myself included on occasions. While I firmly believe everyone is entitled to their own opinions, views and beliefs, what I find incredible about certain people (and not in a good way) is their inability to modify or change their attitude towards others.

You clearly have some very strong opinions about certain things, we all do. But if I was copping as much negativity from a group of people as you are at the moment, I'd be taking a step back and wondering to myself "is there any truth in what's being said?" or "how can I improve my relations with others?". No one is asking you to change your mind about something you believe in, but rather show a little empathy and acknowledge opinions which differ from your own. Your response isn't always the "most correct", just like everyone else's isn't. I guess it's more about finding that middle-ground with people and not being stubborn as a mule.

These are all life lessons I learnt when I was younger. We've all been an idiot before. We've all said things without thinking. The key is learning from mistakes. Now that I'm a bit older and wiser, I have to say I've learnt much more about the world by being open to conflicting opinions and actually listening and engaging people, rather than just laughing them off as being "wrong".

Those are my two cents.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Howardlong on September 10, 2015, 10:30:02 am
^ This.

If you go to a shop or a restaurant and you don't enjoy the experience or it's not your cup of tea, you don't return.

Similarly, if you find yourself engaging with a group of people socially where you don't share their views, you make your excuses and go elsewhere.

I was not in support of banning MJ, although I have been deliberately avoiding engaging him in any comment for some time due to the infinite loop problem. However I'm afraid I can only draw the conclusion now that he's simply deliberately seeking attention.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on September 10, 2015, 10:41:59 am
My account hasn't been banned.

It has now.
It was "Mojochan", now Mojo-chan" is gone too.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Halcyon on September 10, 2015, 11:04:10 am
My account hasn't been banned.

It has now.
It was "Mojochan", now Mojo-chan" is gone too.

Dave, you may want to modify his signature on his profile(s). There is a link to: this page (https://github.com/shit-dave-jones-says/eevblog_santizer)

You may also want to "tweak" the forum settings so that his script no longer works. (Maybe set a time limit for editing/deleting posts?)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: dr.diesel on September 10, 2015, 11:13:06 am
What happened between this post where he wasn't banned and politely requested not to be, and the moment he was banned?

They fixed the "glitch".
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Halcyon on September 10, 2015, 11:17:36 am
What happened between this post where he wasn't banned and politely requested not to be, and the moment he was banned?

They fixed the "glitch".

(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3722/140/1600/os06.jpg)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Halcyon on September 10, 2015, 11:35:31 am
Fair enough. Although I think a "fair go" policy should also apply. Yes, we should have the ability to delete or amend our own posts (perhaps for a limited time) but ultimately what Mojo-chan is doing is not upholding the "spirit" of what Dave's policy was intended for. It's clearly designed to be malicious or at the very least, disruptive to the EEVblog. I think the negatives outstrip the positives on this one.

If it's possible, maybe allow users up to 24-48 hours to modify their posts, after which a moderator needs to do it. I'd say that's more than fair. That would work in almost all circumstances. Policy needs to change as the blog (and ultimately Dave's business) grows and changes.

Perhaps Dave could suspend deletions due to the current issue(s) at hand, until this issue can be properly discussed and debated.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on September 10, 2015, 11:42:50 am
No more on this issue please.
All of Mojo-chans posts are now gone as he originally requested.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on September 10, 2015, 12:05:52 pm
Not to single you out  but there are plenty of people who fanned the flames in this war on M-C (or, with, if you prefer).

I said no more talk on this please, it's done.
MojoChan requested deletion, and he's now gone. The end.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: dunkemhigh on September 10, 2015, 12:16:27 pm
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He reported a random thread and just put abuse in the reason for reporting, got that twice. I think that counts for asking to be banned.

Blimey! Without even asking him to expand on that either? Remind me never to trouble a mod with a problem I might have...

He's previously flown under my radar mostly (that is, he's not stood out as someone to avoid or ignore, or particularly to notice in any way) so really it is only this and t'other thread where I noticed things, and what I did notice is that he was polite, didn't use ad-hom attacks and tried hard to explain his point of view by way of analogy. By contrast, he was unfailingly attacked by a rabble verging on a mob that had tasted blood. No, none of you had to pop up and have your say but you wanted to join in on dissing him anyway.

Not a surprise, actually - you see this anywhere a number of people congregate, particularly if they are protected by a screen and hundred of miles of wire. But what was a surprise was everyone basically saying they, in contrast to him, were mature about it. wtf?!? No, really, y'all could have just read what he had to say, shake your head if you're that way inclined, and leave it to the mods. But that wasn't good enough so you did in fact hound him and deliberately chose your words to wind him up. And then felt cheated why he just persisted in explaining his viewpoint without using swearwords or making personal attacks.

Way to go. My view of some users who had crossed my radar has been somewhat altered.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: dunkemhigh on September 10, 2015, 12:17:15 pm
Sorry, you said to not post whilst I was composing. Mea culpa.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on September 10, 2015, 01:22:52 pm
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He reported a random thread and just put abuse in the reason for reporting, got that twice. I think that counts for asking to be banned.

Blimey! Without even asking him to expand on that either? Remind me never to trouble a mod with a problem I might have...

He's previously flown under my radar mostly (that is, he's not stood out as someone to avoid or ignore, or particularly to notice in any way) so really it is only this and t'other thread where I noticed things, and what I did notice is that he was polite, didn't use ad-hom attacks and tried hard to explain his point of view by way of analogy. By contrast, he was unfailingly attacked by a rabble verging on a mob that had tasted blood. No, none of you had to pop up and have your say but you wanted to join in on dissing him anyway.

Not a surprise, actually - you see this anywhere a number of people congregate, particularly if they are protected by a screen and hundred of miles of wire. But what was a surprise was everyone basically saying they, in contrast to him, were mature about it. wtf?!? No, really, y'all could have just read what he had to say, shake your head if you're that way inclined, and leave it to the mods. But that wasn't good enough so you did in fact hound him and deliberately chose your words to wind him up. And then felt cheated why he just persisted in explaining his viewpoint without using swearwords or making personal attacks.

Way to go. My view of some users who had crossed my radar has been somewhat altered.

Sorry if I was not clear, he used the "reason for report" box to send us abuse. The reported was just the first post on a random thread that had many pages. Couldn't even be bothered to send me a PM or anything.

THE END.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Mr.B on September 10, 2015, 09:38:44 pm
The user called Siman needs to be banned and deleted please.

34 shotgun style spam posts in 15 minutes.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: grumpydoc on September 10, 2015, 09:58:09 pm
Someone suggested that the poster had not lost his mojo - I pretty much think that's exactly what has happened, if it is mojo-chan he has totally lost his mojo.

Either way I think Simon is trying to eradicate this particular k******d.

Sad really.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on September 10, 2015, 10:02:02 pm
Someone suggested that the poster had not lost his mojo - I pretty much think that's exactly what has happened, if it is mojo-chan he has totally lost his mojo.

Either way I think Simon is trying to eradicate this particular k******d.

Sad really.

Indeed, Mojo-chang / mojochang / keeps re registering and posting this crap.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Bud on September 10, 2015, 10:19:39 pm
Could as well be someone else taking advantage of the momentum.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Howardlong on September 10, 2015, 11:37:06 pm
Was that a disclosure of someones name? Where will it stop? Who will be next? What if the banned member receives additional harrassment as a result, where does the responsibility lay?

What, especially now you've drawn attention to it?  |O
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Red Squirrel on September 10, 2015, 11:44:30 pm
Hate to be a pest and not sure if this is right place to ask this, but is there any reason my thread was closed? https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/on-subject-of-hung-wung-low/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/on-subject-of-hung-wung-low/)

I figured Dave and others would get a kick out of it.  Just poking fun at cheap Chinese stuff with bad English.

If I broke a rule, I just want to know. 
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: timofonic on September 10, 2015, 11:54:01 pm
While I dislike all this insane, trollish, flamebait, undervalued dangerous situation...

I think that guy had enough. Why do you publish his real name? Are you going to ban him in real life? Send him to prison? Throwing stones to him?

This situation got extremely out of control. Please learn from the mistakes and let this shit not happen AGAIN.

- No drama.
- No shit.
- No trolling.
- No flamebait.
- No personal attacks.
- No public harassment.
- No disclosing information. Remember AutoTRAX developer. got banned mainly because of that!

Are you going to autoban? And I'm not referring at the German word or the Kraftwerk song.

P E A C E       A N D     R E S P E C T   
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: nctnico on September 11, 2015, 12:47:05 am
I agree. I hope Simon edits his post quickly to remove the name. Unless it is another alias...
And if revealing someone's name gets you a ban then how to ban a moderator?  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: timofonic on September 11, 2015, 01:55:36 am
I agree. I hope Simon edits his post quickly to remove the name. Unless it is another alias...
And if revealing someone's name gets you a ban then how to ban a moderator?  :popcorn:

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on September 11, 2015, 07:05:36 am
- No drama.
- No shit.
- No trolling.
- No flamebait.
- No personal attacks.
- No public harassment.
- No disclosing information. Remember AutoTRAX developer. got banned mainly because of that!

Be careful what you wish for.
My greatest mistake on this forum since it started was not deleting Mojochans account when he asked me to. I was nice and gave him a chance. My mistake.
In return he has caused no end of problems, and now tries to spam this forum with dick picks, fake accounts impersonating other people, and other childish behavior.
Maybe we should just ban everyone at the first sign of trouble? Make my trigger finger itchy and anyone could be next. Do you really want a forum like that?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: John Coloccia on September 11, 2015, 09:41:59 am
Over half this thread is on this mojochan guy.  :palm:

I personally like how this forum is moderated.  Very hands off - let the grownups be grownups, but get rid of the dicks when it gets to be too much.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Vgkid on September 11, 2015, 01:50:58 pm
Can we ban EEVblag for these dick posts.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Galenbo on September 11, 2015, 01:54:30 pm
Was that a disclosure of someones name? Where will it stop? Who will be next?
The next guy who creates another profile every day, and published enlarged images of his penis, can maybe be next.
 
What if the banned member receives additional harrassment as a result, where does the responsibility lay?
In his behavour, I guess.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Galenbo on September 11, 2015, 02:01:21 pm
Are you going to ban him in real life? Send him to prison? Throwing stones to him?
No baby, that will not happen.

... Please learn from the mistakes and let this shit not happen AGAIN.
- No drama.
- No shit.
- No trolling.
- No flamebait.
- No personal attacks.
- No public harassment.
- No disclosing information. Remember AutoTRAX developer. got banned mainly because of that!
P E A C E       A N D     R E S P E C T
To who exactly are you dictating that?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Galenbo on September 11, 2015, 02:05:29 pm
I personally like how this forum is moderated.  Very hands off - let the grownups be grownups, but get rid of the dicks when it gets to be too much.
+1. Most of us have an outspoken opinion, are not afraid to type it down, and are adult enough to read another opinion.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: grumpydoc on September 11, 2015, 02:32:55 pm
Quote
+1. Most of us have an outspoken opinion, are not afraid to type it down, and are adult enough to read another opinion.
Someone is not being especially adult at present  |O
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: AF6LJ on September 11, 2015, 02:36:34 pm
I personally like how this forum is moderated.  Very hands off - let the grownups be grownups, but get rid of the dicks when it gets to be too much.
+1. Most of us have an outspoken opinion, are not afraid to type it down, and are adult enough to read another opinion.

+1
Indeed.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: timofonic on September 11, 2015, 02:39:02 pm
Are you going to ban him in real life? Send him to prison? Throwing stones to him?
No baby, that will not happen.

I was sarcastically opining about publishing personal information of users here. No way, this is an extreme punishing way.

Anyway, many of us overreacted about it. I'm sorry, but we weren't aware about being a nickname taken from some historic Chinese stuff.

... Please learn from the mistakes and let this shit not happen AGAIN.
- No drama.
- No shit.
- No trolling.
- No flamebait.
- No personal attacks.
- No public harassment.
- No disclosing information. Remember AutoTRAX developer. got banned mainly because of that!
P E A C E       A N D     R E S P E C T
To who exactly are you dictating that?

Everyone, no exceptions. Feel free to certitude my mistakes too.

 I know I act foolish and annoying sometimes or maybe more than that. I'm sorry, it's something I try to fix ;)

Be careful what you wish for.
My greatest mistake on this forum since it started was not deleting Mojochans account when he asked me to. I was nice and gave him a chance. My mistake.
In return he has caused no end of problems, and now tries to spam this forum with dick picks, fake accounts impersonating other people, and other childish behavior.
Maybe we should just ban everyone at the first sign of trouble? Make my trigger finger itchy and anyone could be next. Do you really want a forum like that?


Well, I for sure wouldn't cry and put penises everywhere.

Anyway, I'm sorry if I act wrong. Feel free to say it publicly or send me a PM about it. I'll try to fix my errors and learn the lesson. I would understand a temporal or definitive ban, it happened me before.

 I know it can seem nonsense, but sometimes I act impulsively and immature for no reason and i feel very bad after doing it. I don't want to victimize myself, just make others understand people can be assholes unintentionally.

I forget those that are aware and make efforts to improve their mind/brain, but those stubborn and attacking ones are lost causes until they realize how full of shit they are. I know it because I was even worse than these days, and I need to improve A LOT MORE.

 I really appreciate a lot when people make me be aware of my mistakes, even better if constructively. I'm trying it, but it's a bit hard.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: John Coloccia on September 11, 2015, 02:48:09 pm
Quote
+1. Most of us have an outspoken opinion, are not afraid to type it down, and are adult enough to read another opinion.
Someone is not being especially adult at present  |O

And he actually donated money in order to do it.  He has "contributor" status.   :-DD

Well, whatever.  I've got some prototype boards to order.

Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: PA0PBZ on September 11, 2015, 02:53:33 pm
And he actually donated money in order to do it.  He has "contributor" status.   :-DD

Donate money = supporter.
Post anything (even dicks) = contributor.


Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: AF6LJ on September 11, 2015, 03:04:55 pm
- No drama.
- No shit.
- No trolling.
- No flamebait.
- No personal attacks.
- No public harassment.
- No disclosing information. Remember AutoTRAX developer. got banned mainly because of that!

Be careful what you wish for.
My greatest mistake on this forum since it started was not deleting Mojochans account when he asked me to. I was nice and gave him a chance. My mistake.
In return he has caused no end of problems, and now tries to spam this forum with dick picks, fake accounts impersonating other people, and other childish behavior.
Maybe we should just ban everyone at the first sign of trouble? Make my trigger finger itchy and anyone could be next. Do you really want a forum like that?

Being too lax hurts the harmony of a forum, so does being too strict.
I moderated an online gaming forum for a year and know the difficulty involved in being successful at that job. I think overall you have found the "Sweet Spot" in terms of moderation.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: John Coloccia on September 11, 2015, 03:10:44 pm
And he actually donated money in order to do it.  He has "contributor" status.   :-DD

Donate money = supporter.
Post anything (even dicks) = contributor.

Woops...my mistake. The other way was funnier, though...cheered up my morning. 
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: SeanB on September 11, 2015, 03:52:14 pm
And he actually donated money in order to do it.  He has "contributor" status.   :-DD

Donate money = supporter.
Post anything (even dicks) = contributor.

Woops...my mistake. The other way was funnier, though...cheered up my morning.

Supporter even has some perks, you get to see the sausage being made in part, and get the cricket convention in the supporters lounge as a bonus.

Ah well, rain in a drought..........
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on September 11, 2015, 10:27:13 pm
ATTENTION

Please DO NOT post any of MojoChan's alleged names or any information regarding him.
Do NOT mention him again, please, I want all this to just stop.
I do not want this issue to destroy the forum.
The site is being inundated with dick pics, fake accounts imitating moderators, and now abuse reports to Cloudflare and my hosting provider.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: timb on September 11, 2015, 11:24:32 pm
That's really sad, Dave. If you need help tracking down the culprit, let me know. I spent most of my life in IT, so I've got resources that can backtrack through proxies and relays to find originating IPs, along with contacts at CloudFlare and most major hosting companies.

On another note, Simon, I sent you a PM a few days ago. Did you get it?


Sent from my Tablet
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: timofonic on September 12, 2015, 12:05:31 am
That's really sad, Dave. If you need help tracking down the culprit, let me know. I spent most of my life in IT, so I've got resources that can backtrack through proxies and relays to find originating IPs, along with contacts at CloudFlare and most major hosting companies.

On another note, Simon, I sent you a PM a few days ago. Did you get it?


Sent from my Tablet

Dave really needs to harden a lot the security, I think...
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: amyk on September 12, 2015, 03:42:38 am
Do NOT mention him again, please, I want all this to just stop.
I do not want this issue to destroy the forum.
The site is being inundated with dick pics, fake accounts imitating moderators, and now abuse reports to Cloudflare and my hosting provider.
Indeed the best way to get trolls like these to stop is to ignore them. They'll get bored and give up sooner or later.

I never cared much for him, neither do I now.

"Keep calm and carry on."
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: bitwelder on September 12, 2015, 07:09:08 am
Dave,
I see you have recently modified the FORUM RULES - PLEASE READ thread/post.
As it's a long (but important) wall of text, when you change it could you please leave some sort of 'changelog', e.g. "EDIT: added points 11), 12)".

Thanks
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Zero999 on September 12, 2015, 07:48:04 am
I do not want this issue to destroy the forum.

Wiping the "Wun Hung Lo" thread completely off the forum would be a good start. Why is it still going? Locking it isn't going to suffice.
Presumably because, going by the number of replies and views, it's a very popular thread so removing it doesn't make any sense.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on September 12, 2015, 07:56:57 am
The advice I gave goes for all, if you don't like it stay out of it. Much of it was very civilized and informing when adult members were having a sensible discussion.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on September 12, 2015, 08:07:12 am
Wiping the "Wun Hung Lo" thread completely off the forum would be a good start. Why is it still going? Locking it isn't going to suffice.

Then I should also wipe every single off-topic thread off the face of this forum, including anything you've contributed to.
How does that sound?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on September 12, 2015, 08:23:12 am
It sounds like an overreaction.

It's not, it's about showing that you can't just go around and willy-nilly delete entire off-topic threads because someone (you) doesn't like it.
You might not care that your contributions get deleted, but others do. That could force otherwise good contributors to the forum if they know entire threads they contributed to will be deleted.
Hence my point that you either make it policy to remove them all, or you don't.
Sure, under exceptional circumstances an entire thread could be deleted. And this actually happens a bit if the thread is new and not people have responded.

Quote
It sounds like you don't share my opinion of it and are content to keep it. It's your forum, your call.

I have not read the thread. I can't go around reading every single thread from scratch that people complain about. Easier to just lock them i there are too many complaints.
I'm sitting in my hotel room now on a family holiday and here I am having to deal with this. Want the job?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Galenbo on September 12, 2015, 09:19:43 am
Wiping the "Wun Hung Lo" thread completely off the forum would be a good start. Why is it still going? Locking it isn't going to suffice.

That just makes it a bigger heap of shit. Still smells bad.

Must be the fifth time you refused to stay away there and then complain about it.
Where exacly in that topic are your personal rights violated and/or your personal reputation damaged in a fraudulous way?

Please don't be intolerant, don't call for repression.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on September 12, 2015, 09:23:47 am
Theres actually nothing insulting in the thread, only the odd person chooses to be insulted. From the start it was a thread for mature people who wanted a frank discussion those who did not had only to keep out as advised. If it's really irrelevant it will stop getting responses and fall off the list of top topics.

If you over regulate what people can say you end up just telling people to go elsewhere and say it as it becomes pointless trying to have a point of view. and the worse thing in society today is that too few people actually have opinions and have thought about things and become sheep.

If the topic is not discussed seperately it will only come up an off topic discussion in other threads and ruin perfectly good technical discussions, so easiest to let those who needed to discuss it do so in a dedicated thread. Either way those who want to be offended by something will find something to be offended by.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: AF6LJ on September 12, 2015, 04:50:45 pm
For the time I watched this forum before posting here I have found the degree of transparency in moderation here to be refreshing.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: zapta on September 12, 2015, 05:31:51 pm
I do not want this issue to destroy the forum.

Wiping the "Wun Hung Lo" thread completely off the forum would be a good start. Why is it still going? Locking it isn't going to suffice.

I read the recent messages at that thread and they seem to be very civil.

I like the direction that this forum is going. It becomes a less hostile place.
Title: Request to moderator for Sticky for msg734584
Post by: ez24 on September 21, 2015, 12:26:09 am
Hello

Subject:  "from-no-parts-to-decent-stockpile-best-approach"

I find this topic to be useful for beginners.  As a sticky it would be helpful for beginners to find under Beginners.   There are many reply's from some very knowledgeable people with a lot of useful information. 

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/beginners/from-no-parts-to-decent-stockpile-best-approach/msg734584/#msg734584 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/beginners/from-no-parts-to-decent-stockpile-best-approach/msg734584/#msg734584)

Thank you for your consideration

Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: bitseeker on September 29, 2015, 08:23:17 pm
I was just about to report this spambot, VK97C. And then it spammed right here!
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Wytnucls on September 29, 2015, 08:35:30 pm
Yes, that idiot keeps on spamming the site. I don't think he has any friends left here. Showing his true colors at last. Me thinks he needs a girlfriend, but that's probably too much to hope for.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: jwm_ on September 29, 2015, 08:36:46 pm
Yes, that idiot keeps on spamming the site. I don't think he has any friends left here. Showing his true colors at last. Me thinks he needs a girlfriend, but that's probably too much to expect.

They had a legit account before whoever it is?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Wytnucls on September 29, 2015, 08:38:39 pm
Yes, he left in a huff, throwing his toys out of the cot.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Macbeth on September 29, 2015, 08:45:19 pm
Yes, that idiot keeps on spamming the site. I don't think he has any friends left here. Showing his true colors at last. Me thinks he needs a girlfriend, but that's probably too much to hope for.
Please no! No girl deserves that mysoginist prick in her life.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: ez24 on September 29, 2015, 08:50:15 pm
First time I have seen this wide of problem (it is in all my unreads - a lot of work for the mods.  So I assume it is in every post.

SO thank you mods  :-+  (for the work you have to do)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: tautech on September 29, 2015, 09:02:44 pm
First time I have seen this wide of problem (it is in all my unreads - a lot of work for the mods.  So I assume it is in every post.

SO thank you mods  :-+  (for the work you have to do)
+1
Poor buggers having to clean up that mess.

I hit report to mods when he/she/it had ~5 posts and the prick was up to 50 in no time.  |O

I've not seen mod Geoff for a good while, do we need more moderators?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Wytnucls on September 29, 2015, 09:04:14 pm
Moderators should be spread over several time zones.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: PA0PBZ on September 29, 2015, 09:06:35 pm
First time I have seen this wide of problem (it is in all my unreads - a lot of work for the mods.  So I assume it is in every post.

SO thank you mods  :-+  (for the work you have to do)
+1
Poor buggers having to clean up that mess.

Looks like script-mojo is back again... Oh well, I guess deleting all it's posts is just a few mouseclicks
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: tautech on September 29, 2015, 09:12:36 pm
First time I have seen this wide of problem (it is in all my unreads - a lot of work for the mods.  So I assume it is in every post.

SO thank you mods  :-+  (for the work you have to do)
+1
Poor buggers having to clean up that mess.

Looks like script-mojo is back again... Oh well, I guess deleting all it's posts is just a few mouseclicks
Not sure if Mods can do that cleanly, that is, the post header might remain even if the content is deleted.
I think that's an Administators job.  :-//
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: ez24 on September 29, 2015, 09:17:36 pm
First time I have seen this wide of problem (it is in all my unreads - a lot of work for the mods.  So I assume it is in every post.

SO thank you mods  :-+  (for the work you have to do)
+1
Poor buggers having to clean up that mess.

Looks like script-mojo is back again... Oh well, I guess deleting all it's posts is just a few mouseclicks
Not sure if Mods can do that cleanly, that is, the post header might remain even if the content is deleted.
I think that's an Administators job.  :-//

Wish the camera was rolling when Dave sees this.  Anyone here from Sydney, grab a camera and run over there.  I want to hear the waw-waw button  :-DD  Sorry Dave, I could not help it  :(
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: GreyWoolfe on September 29, 2015, 09:49:43 pm
Yes, that idiot keeps on spamming the site. I don't think he has any friends left here. Showing his true colors at last. Me thinks he needs a girlfriend, but that's probably too much to hope for.

Apparently, from his postings, that pic is wishful thinking.  I'm also guessing he got the 3 knot sailor's brushoff from his last 'girlfriend'---
----It's (k)not hard, it's (k)not in and you're (k)not getting your money back.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Towger on September 29, 2015, 09:56:12 pm
Yes, he left in a huff, throwing his toys out of the cot.
Did u see his youtube channel? He had recordings of EEVblog playing on the tv in his living room....
It must be hard when your idol rejects you!
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: John Coloccia on September 29, 2015, 09:56:47 pm
I wish I had the sort of free time he has.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Macbeth on September 29, 2015, 09:59:05 pm
mojo had a youtube channel? omg! did they ban it?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: alsetalokin4017 on September 29, 2015, 10:09:22 pm
He just joined today (under that account name) and has made 82 posts of his "Self-Portrait" already. What a hoot.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on September 29, 2015, 10:25:50 pm
Still somewhere I hope someone is abusing the situation to post crap and pin it on Mojo.

Nope, VK97C is Mojo-chan, plus the other accounts that have been posting dick pics and other info. It's all him and I have the proof.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on September 29, 2015, 10:28:56 pm
All the posts are now gone, it's trivial to delete all the posts in an account, just a click  :)
But if Mojo is reading this and thinks they are gone and now untraceable and unaccountable, he'd be wrong.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: MAS3 on September 29, 2015, 10:33:58 pm
Good to see you can kick abusers off, keep them off and delete all posts at the same time.
Good riddance.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on September 29, 2015, 10:35:04 pm
Looks like script-mojo is back again...

Yes, it seemed to be a script, all the posts were evenly spaced in time.
Mojo has written scripts before, one to systematically delete all your posts on the forum. He used that to delete his thousand posts or something before he spat the dummy.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Macbeth on September 29, 2015, 10:56:46 pm
There is indeed a youtube channel, no electronics content whatsoever other than him filming a TV showing various blogs including EEV and mikes stuff and using it to complain about Virgin Media in the UK, because he can't make his telly work.

But his later stuff is getting angry at very trivial car "incidents" on his travels that anyone would just brush off. I mean this is no crazy drunk russian driver on dashcam stuff, or "Do you know who I am? I'm Ronnie Pickering!" hilarity.

It seems he is a lane hogger driving strictly under the limit on his speedo (allowed to read +10%/-0%) and (trying to) cause mayhem in his wake.

He probably has a favourite road bridge he hangs out under...
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Smokey on September 30, 2015, 12:11:55 am
All the poor people who posted comments about seeing dicks all over the forum now have no context! 
"Oh sure.. Dicks all over the forum eh??? Riiiiiiiight...."
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Galenbo on September 30, 2015, 09:23:13 am
Still somewhere I hope someone is abusing the situation to post crap and pin it on Mojo.

Nope, VK97C is Mojo-chan, plus the other accounts that have been posting dick pics and other info. It's all him and I have the proof.

Time to reveal his personal data. Name, address, country, employer, function, website.
It's good people can be hidden behind an profile on forums, but when somebody abuses it, makes multiple profiles, attacks the functioning of that forum, that right falls away.

It's not like somebody having an unpopular idea, deviant way of telling things, it's even not somebody pushing others to do illegal stuff, it's personally attacking by every means the functioning of a site.

Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on September 30, 2015, 09:55:48 am
I seem to recall you are quite OK with agreeing to requests to delete posts from people wanting to delete their posting history here.  Is that your current position?

Everyone is free to delete all their own posts on here themselves, I don't have to do it.
If you started a topic then those posts can't be removed.

Quote
Were you even asked to delete the posts in the Mojo case?

A few years back, yes. He had "had enough" (guess the topic) and asked me to delete them all. With hindsight I foolishly gave him a chance to do it himself and he changed his mind and stayed. In the latest dummy spit he deleted most of them himself with a script he wrote, but then asked me to delete the rest and his account. I happily obliged.
Since then he has come back under multiple accounts and posted pick pics and other details, seems he can't just let it go.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on September 30, 2015, 09:57:54 am
Time to reveal his personal data. Name, address, country, employer, function, website.

I'd only do that for the police.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on September 30, 2015, 09:58:49 am
I don't advocate compulsory use of real names

You can't, apart from being a stupid idea, it's unenforceable.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: firewalker on September 30, 2015, 10:09:34 am
Dave, you should notify his ISP and the authorities of his country of origin.

Alexander.

EDIT: Grammar mistake.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: John Coloccia on September 30, 2015, 10:10:25 am
Only an idiot would use his real name on a public forum.

 :scared:
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: firewalker on September 30, 2015, 10:13:05 am
Where is he from?

Alexander.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Galenbo on September 30, 2015, 10:15:21 am
- A more sensible response would be to change the forum rules to force people to use their real names. 
- And just why is it good that people can be hidden behind a profile on forums?
- I don't advocate compulsory use of real names
How do these things add up?


Seriously, don't say stupid things like that in public.
You call it stupid, and therefore I can not say those specific things?
You are just the same PolCo like him. Everybody knew and saw that before. Calling things "stupid" without arguments, logic or reason and then talk about something else.

Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: daqq on September 30, 2015, 10:18:21 am
Seriously, so much humbuk over one nutter? The best, and only way of dealing with trolls of this type is to not give them attention - ignoring them. You can be sure that if a heated forum wide discussion with 50 participants is initiated after each dick bombing, somewhere in the background the perpetrator is laughing his childish ass off, possibly pleasuring him self vigorously to all the attention he's getting and patting himself on the back. If rules are changed to the minor annoyance of the general forum population, you can be assured that the perpetrator will be in a special kind of personal heaven.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Galenbo on September 30, 2015, 10:19:45 am
Time to reveal his personal data. Name, address, country, employer, function, website.

I'd only do that for the police.

I hope that won't be necessary, and if necessary, they do something with it.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: DenzilPenberthy on September 30, 2015, 10:23:50 am
I was sympathetic to Mojo when I saw a rabid mob descend upon him. Sympathy has waned somewhat of late, but it doesn't change the fact that I believed he was unfairly and harshly treated. I see no benefit for anyone to continue to cast nasturtiums at Mojo. He's gone and there's and end to it. Hopefully he will calm down and move on constructively.

 :-+ seconded. A rabid mob which, it's worth pointing out, has continued to harass him on other forums and social media after he had left here.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on September 30, 2015, 10:27:46 am
:-+ seconded. A rabid mob which, it's worth pointing out, has continued to harass him on other forums and social media after he had left here.

To my knowledge they have not. He claimed those same people were impersonating him on here after he left, when in fact it was him doing it. Yes, I have proof.
Can we forget all about mojochan please?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: firewalker on September 30, 2015, 10:53:55 am
What started everything? I can;t remember hid threads at all.

Alexander.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: dr.diesel on September 30, 2015, 11:08:23 am
What started everything?

Can we forget all about mojochan please?

Dave has asked politely several times.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: firewalker on September 30, 2015, 11:17:19 am
Ok, didn't saw his post. :D :D :D

Alexander.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: zapta on September 30, 2015, 11:43:43 am
As for the last sentence. It is so ironic I am certain it is lost on you.

Ironically, your off topic post in the moderator report thread should be reported to moderators.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on September 30, 2015, 11:47:21 am
If a trolls posts are ignored then there will be no loss of conext when they are removed. If you spot something just let us know, we will remove it and it will be like it was never there. Simples!
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Bob F. on September 30, 2015, 12:52:27 pm
On the forum I help run, all newly signed-up users' posts are moderated (visible only to the moderators).  This prevents a lot of spam being visible to the forum members.  Adds a bit of overhead for the mods, but means zero spam (or morons) get through.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: oaliey on September 30, 2015, 01:58:28 pm
Somtimes I feel more drastic moderation is needed at times. Drastic as in deleting of all recent off topic posts in threads that have gone off the rails, rather than just the most agrivating posts. However thankfully this community is on a whole rather civil, so far it doesn't seem heavier moderation is required. It would be a real shame if interesting offtopic discussion wasn't allowed to prosper. Most large forum based internet communities have had to become heavily moderated, the problem with them is that natual communication doesn't stick on to a single topic for long without deviating and evolving. This leaves these communities feeling very sterile and boring.

So huge props to Dave and his moderators for their efforts in keeping the balance, it certainly can't be easy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE3j_RHkqJc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE3j_RHkqJc)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: bitseeker on October 27, 2015, 06:36:00 am
New spammer on the forum or just a noob in need of education? Looks pretty spammy.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?area=showposts;u=113256 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?area=showposts;u=113256)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: crispy_tofu on October 27, 2015, 06:38:35 am
Well they're linking their website in each of their posts, so I say spammer.  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Halcyon on October 29, 2015, 06:50:25 am
Unrelated question... what happened to the ability to add polls to posts? Am I imagining it or has that feature now been disabled/disappeared?

Never mind, I'm an idiot. I was looking for the 'add poll' button in the topic editor.  :palm:
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on November 20, 2015, 01:21:00 pm
ATTENTION:
User "Soundwave" is yet another Mojo-chan sockpuppet account. Banned again.
He won't give up.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: zapta on November 20, 2015, 03:48:20 pm
ATTENTION:
User "Soundwave" is yet another Mojo-chan sockpuppet account. Banned again.
He won't give up.

Poor soul.

"So the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden"  Genesis 3:23
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Macbeth on November 20, 2015, 05:55:36 pm
Don't worry, Dr. Evil has got him now. Hopefully he's chucked him in the tank of mutant sea bass and sharks with frikkin' laser beams. >:D

(http://cdn.meme.am/instances/53071314.jpg)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Tech-indoorsman on December 02, 2015, 02:09:28 pm
Not a policeman from pacific ocean.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: firewalker on December 13, 2015, 12:31:12 pm
A pinch of moderation would be welcome.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/open-source-kicad-geda/the-new-version-of-kicad-is-a-fact/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/open-source-kicad-geda/the-new-version-of-kicad-is-a-fact/)

Alexander.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Macbeth on December 25, 2015, 12:00:32 am
Mojo has escaped again... Just when I thought Dr. Evil dealt with that spacktard  :palm:
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: SantaClaw on December 25, 2015, 12:10:56 am
He's got some spare time on his hands and is desperately searching for a life of his own.. :-DD
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Stonent on December 25, 2015, 03:03:42 am
ATTENTION:
User "Soundwave" is yet another Mojo-chan sockpuppet account. Banned again.
He won't give up.

Dave_Finch now flooding.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: xrunner on December 25, 2015, 03:18:05 am
His ascii pic got a little , um, out of whack ...  :-DD
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: crispy_tofu on December 25, 2015, 03:25:44 am
May I suggest 4chan for ascii richards?  :)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Deathwish on December 25, 2015, 03:44:57 am
His ascii pic got a little , um, out of whack ...  :-DD

He's been stroking it too long it melted
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: jh15 on December 25, 2015, 03:48:47 am
Need to take care of that bad monkey.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Stonent on December 25, 2015, 04:48:59 am
His ascii pic got a little , um, out of whack ...  :-DD

If that's a self portrait, I feel sorry for his Misses.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Stonent on December 25, 2015, 05:13:00 am
His ascii pic got a little , um, out of whack ...  :-DD

He's been stroking it too long it melted

Wore it down to a nub.  :-DD
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: alsetalokin4017 on December 25, 2015, 06:25:53 am
I see he's posted the same mess to many threads now.

What motivates people to demean themselves that way? And on Christmas Eve, too.
If it wasn't so pitiful, it would almost be sad.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: tautech on December 25, 2015, 11:11:43 am
Let's commend the Mods on their clean up job.  :clap:
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on December 25, 2015, 11:43:00 am
ATTENTION:
User "Soundwave" is yet another Mojo-chan sockpuppet account. Banned again.
He won't give up.
Dave_Finch now flooding.

Yep, it's Mojo-chan again. Once again doxing himself. What a truly sad person.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Howardlong on December 25, 2015, 12:36:38 pm
Which is a bit rich considering he was complaining over on Wikipedia about being "doxed" when it was noted here that he'd changed his user name over there. Surprised he has time for it considering the amount of time he spends aimlessly wasting other contributors' time on Wikipedia.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: timb on December 25, 2015, 01:31:49 pm
So, instead of spending time with friends and family on Christmas Eve, he's sitting alone, sweaty and naked (having not showered in months) with only a bottle of the cheapest bottom shelf vodka as his friend. One of his bloodshot eyes twitches compulsively as he stares at the monitor, muttering "I'll show them... I'll show them..." over and over as he mashes at the keys with his stubby, sausage like fingers.

So, mojo is like the creepy uncle now. You know, the one who you only see on holidays, who's not quite all together?

It's actually kind of sad to see. He could have taken the high road. Instead, he's proven all the "haters" right. *Sighs*

At any rate, Merry Christmas everyone!
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: zapta on December 25, 2015, 08:49:13 pm
So, mojo is like the creepy uncle now. You know, the one who you only see on holidays, who's not quite all together?

It's actually kind of sad to see. He could have taken the high road. Instead, he's proven all the "haters" right. *Sighs*

Mojo Chan is a person of high morale and standards that cares dearly about the common good. I am sure that he purchased plenty of douchebagness footprint credit points to compensate for his recent actions.

Merry Christmas everybody, including fellow atheists.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: wraper on December 25, 2015, 11:11:03 pm
I think he should take a new nickname: dick-chan. Would fit him really well.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: GreyWoolfe on December 26, 2015, 07:58:07 pm
I think he should take a new nickname: dick-chan. Would fit him really well.

Nickname should be --wish-I-had-a-dick-chan.  Far more accurate description.  Sometimes the mind is a terrible thing.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: SeanB on December 26, 2015, 08:04:07 pm
I think he should take a new nickname: dick-chan. Would fit him really well.

Nickname should be --wish-I-had-a-dick-chan.  Far more accurate description.  Sometimes the mind is a terrible thing.

I think he has one, just it is below average, or at least he perceives it to be. A mind though is a terrible thing to waste, though in this case i guess there is always an exception. I foresee a bright future for him as either a politician or a postal worker. Both are positions which suit petty tyrants.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: AF6LJ on December 26, 2015, 09:05:16 pm
Giving this individual such nicknames is really below us, I believe.
We should just pity him, offer up our prayers that he gets help for his issues and has a normal life.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Cubdriver on December 27, 2015, 12:38:59 am
I was glad to see that people pretty much ignored his posts in the various threads and just carried on as if they weren't even there, at least as far as I saw. On other forums I'm on they'd likely have been quoted a hundred times with griping and commentary added, doubtless making the mod's jobs more difficult by adding to what they'd need to prune to remove the infection.

It was nice to see no one feeding the troll on a forum for a change.

And on that note, I hope everyone had a good Christmas (sans the ASCII schlong).

-Pat

Edit: typo
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Galenbo on January 02, 2016, 03:44:06 pm
Giving this individual such nicknames is really below us, I believe.
We should just pity him, offer up our prayers that he gets help for his issues and has a normal life.

I agree on this, and I remember Dave's question to not mention the creature anymore.
The things he does on this forum now and then, are not to be laughed at, but signs of an unstable mental condition.
I hope he is professionally surrounded, and his treatment will soon start to give results.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Smokey on January 05, 2016, 01:48:36 am
Giving this individual such nicknames is really below us, I believe.
We should just pity him, offer up our prayers that he gets help for his issues and has a normal life.

I agree on this, and I remember Dave's question to not mention the creature anymore.
The things he does on this forum now and then, are not to be laughed at, but signs of an unstable mental condition.
I hope he is professionally surrounded, and his treatment will soon start to give results.

Or the dude could just be a dick.  It happens...
trolls gonna troll
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: nadien on January 10, 2016, 06:14:02 pm
sounds like a sensible approach
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: MagicSmoker on January 10, 2016, 10:50:06 pm
sounds like a sensible approach

Speaking of moderation reports... check out the post history on this one...

Specifically, this post: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/big-news-for-drone-industry-faa-unwraps-new-drone-rules-61110/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/big-news-for-drone-industry-faa-unwraps-new-drone-rules-61110/)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: crispy_tofu on January 12, 2016, 10:15:40 am
sounds like a sensible approach

Speaking of moderation reports... check out the post history on this one...

Specifically, this post: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/big-news-for-drone-industry-faa-unwraps-new-drone-rules-61110/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/big-news-for-drone-industry-faa-unwraps-new-drone-rules-61110/)
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/new-rules-for-drones-dron-fans-read/msg840737/#msg840737 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/new-rules-for-drones-dron-fans-read/msg840737/#msg840737) and user girolamoo
More spammy posts, looking like it's the same person ...
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: PA0PBZ on January 12, 2016, 10:23:29 am
More spammy posts, looking like it's the same person ...

My idea exactly.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Monkeh on January 22, 2016, 05:48:06 pm
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?u=115893 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?u=115893)
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?u=115944 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?u=115944)

We all love a good duplicate.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: sk2593 on January 22, 2016, 06:45:52 pm
Dear moderator

I have deleted the duplicate account. Only one account exists now.

Thanks
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Halcyon on February 02, 2016, 07:08:09 pm
Could I just ask why are we locking threads because of one individual making inappropriate posts? i.e.: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/gigabyte-marketing-bs/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/gigabyte-marketing-bs/)

Why should everyone else suffer and be locked out of contributing because of some half-wit? By all means remove the offending posts and warn the user, after that, suspend them if they continue to carry on.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Towger on February 02, 2016, 07:41:25 pm
Agree.  Until you read the thread it gives the impression the manufacturer in question got it closed. But that is Simon's style, while Dave let's a lot more go before locking a thread.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: zapta on February 20, 2016, 12:22:13 am
Don't be a flipping idiot, you really believe the claim that the earth is heavier because water is now in the ground instead of the ocean. Just shut up or put up, or I'll put you up!

Moderators are called for civility.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/ieee-has-bought-into-solar-roadways/msg873199/#msg873199 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/ieee-has-bought-into-solar-roadways/msg873199/#msg873199)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Galenbo on February 20, 2016, 11:57:33 am
That guy is hopeless. Stirring up discussions and then flagging around with his moderator status.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Delta on February 23, 2016, 01:37:52 am
I agree, this forum deserves a higher class of moderator.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Smokey on February 23, 2016, 04:24:47 am
shhhhhh..... he can hear you.....  :)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: vk6zgo on February 23, 2016, 04:46:29 am
I agree, this forum deserves a higher class of moderator.

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/image/6072340-3x2-700x467.jpg (http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/image/6072340-3x2-700x467.jpg)

This lady is Moderator of the Uniting Church of Australia-------classy enough? ;D
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: crispy_tofu on February 23, 2016, 05:54:38 am
Maybe one (or two) moderator(s) for the Electronics subforum, one for Products, one for General, one for EEVBlog + Dave as the moderator overlord?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: apelly on February 23, 2016, 07:19:40 am
Maybe one (or two) moderator(s) for the Electronics subforum, one for Products, one for General, one for EEVBlog + Dave as the moderator overlord?

I've only seen a couple of people over the last couple of years that keep their heads as a rule. There's no way there are enough sane people around for that many moderators. I'll bet you bucks to beans that Dave turns down one a month.

Myself, I stay away from exciting threads. I've got better shit to worry about than twats on the internet.

And even the wankers have something interesting to offer from time to time.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Karel on February 23, 2016, 07:36:43 am
Don't be a flipping idiot, you really believe the claim that the earth is heavier because water is now in the ground instead of the ocean. Just shut up or put up, or I'll put you up!

Moderators are called for civility.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/ieee-has-bought-into-solar-roadways/msg873199/#msg873199 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/ieee-has-bought-into-solar-roadways/msg873199/#msg873199)

That guy should be moderated...
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: c4757p on March 14, 2016, 10:52:26 am
Hm, no way to report private messages? I've got a zero-poster by the name of Diana sending me multiple unsolicited requests to review products and post the results on this forum, do we consider that spam here when coming from someone who clearly registered only to send such PMs?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on March 14, 2016, 11:18:45 am
Hm, no way to report private messages? I've got a zero-poster by the name of Diana sending me multiple unsolicited requests to review products and post the results on this forum, do we consider that spam here when coming from someone who clearly registered only to send such PMs?

I got the same thing, now banned.
I don't think there is a mechanism to report private messages.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: tautech on March 14, 2016, 11:19:30 am
Hm, no way to report private messages? I've got a zero-poster by the name of Diana sending me multiple unsolicited requests to review products and post the results on this forum, do we consider that spam here when coming from someone who clearly registered only to send such PMs?
Will "Ignoring" a member disable their ability to PM you?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on March 14, 2016, 01:23:51 pm
Will "Ignoring" a member disable their ability to PM you?

Don't know, never tried it.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: c4757p on April 04, 2016, 11:24:37 pm
Is it a matter of policy that you ignore account deletion requests, or do they just evade notice?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on April 04, 2016, 11:41:52 pm
Is it a matter of policy that you ignore account deletion requests, or do they just evade notice?

Do you want your account deleted?
I don't actually get notified about account deletion requests.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: ez24 on April 04, 2016, 11:57:49 pm
Is it a matter of policy that you ignore account deletion requests, or do they just evade notice?

I hope you are not asking to leave.  I believe you have helped me in the past  :(
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: c4757p on April 05, 2016, 12:11:52 am
Is it a matter of policy that you ignore account deletion requests, or do they just evade notice?

Do you want your account deleted?
I don't actually get notified about account deletion requests.

Clearly my attempts at just going away have been foiled by my innate morbid curiosity and lack of self control. ;) Yes.

Perhaps you should see about changing something so the forum no longer suggests it can be done by clicking "Actions > Delete this account".
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: c4757p on April 05, 2016, 12:29:19 am
I have no desire for my posts to be deleted and was not under the impression that would happen. I've already addressed not coming back, that is of course an option but so is closing the account, I'm not sure why that's controversial. I usually close accounts I'm done with. You're free to speculate, though.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: timb on April 05, 2016, 12:52:50 am
I believe removing an account will also remove all posts associated with it. That's how it works on some forums, at least. (If the account is gone, the posts wouldn't be displayed since the user ID no longer exists; though they would still exist in the database.)

So, a fix for this is to just ban the user if he wants to leave. This way his account is no longer accessible but it still exists, along with all posts. (One forum I belong to even has a special thread where, if you post in it, you will be automatically banned. This way users can leave and leave a public reason why if they wish.)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on April 05, 2016, 01:00:36 am
I see no account deletion request.
I should look into deactivating the option.
I have been badly bitten before by deleting people's account and posts, and will now only do it under exceptional circumstances. It screws up posting history and their posts then become marked as "Guest" and the forum looks like crap with guest posts everywhere.
I see no need to delete an account and keep someones post. It's easy to just forget about it and not log in again.

May I ask why you want to leave? You are the 4th highest poster!
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: c4757p on April 05, 2016, 01:02:36 am
The account deletion request is probably gone because I cancelled it today, partially to ask about it being ignored since this is usually the most reliable way to contact you ;)

If it's a PITA don't do it, fine.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on April 05, 2016, 01:05:23 am
Ok, users can no longer request an account deletion, except for zero posters.
I can of course edit someones account to remove any person identifying information if requested (not that's it public anyway)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on April 05, 2016, 01:06:25 am
The account deletion request is probably gone because I cancelled it today, partially to ask about it being ignored since this is usually the most reliable way to contact you ;)

Direct email is the only sure fire way of contacting me.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on April 05, 2016, 01:09:12 am
I believe removing an account will also remove all posts associated with it. That's how it works on some forums, at least. (If the account is gone, the posts wouldn't be displayed since the user ID no longer exists; though they would still exist in the database.)

SMF will keep the posts, but display "Guest" as the user name. That's good it keeps stuff, but also very annoying.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on April 05, 2016, 01:27:16 am
Dave, can I infer from this that you have shifted your position in deleting people (and posts). I had formed the view, if you didn't actually say it, that you are quite willing to grant requests for people to vanish. I imagine it is an infrequent issue. Has that changed also?

Yes, my position on this has changed some time back, and the forum rules were updated:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/forum-rules-please-read/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/forum-rules-please-read/)

It ruins the look and feel of the forum if people delete all their posts and accounts get deleted and they become "guest" posts.
People are still free to manually delete every one of their posts if they so desire.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: dunkemhigh on April 05, 2016, 06:08:16 am
Quote
SMF will keep the posts, but display "Guest" as the user name. That's good it keeps stuff, but also very annoying.

When I needed to leave a forum, I just changed my username to 'Gone' and left it. Perhaps when you get an account deletion request, instead of letting SMF make it a guest, you change the name to something appropriate and then change the password so the user really has left.

The advantages are that the name shown can be meaningful ("Ex-NiceGuy" for example), and the account is easily resurrectable (by you) if the user changes his mind (and gives you a good reason).
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Kjelt on April 05, 2016, 07:45:58 am
In the forum I am a co-admin we also have the same software and same policy.
Simply deleting an account indeed messes with the post history and database and makes (part of) the forum unreadable.
So our rules there are that we strip the account of any privacy sensitive info, replace the username with a name like "Resigned User #" where # is an enum.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: tautech on April 19, 2016, 04:11:06 am
Can we dare to ask why this thread has been locked?  :-//
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/new-lecroy-scope-waverunner-8000/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/new-lecroy-scope-waverunner-8000/)

Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: ez24 on April 19, 2016, 04:24:46 am
Can we dare to ask why this thread has been locked?  :-//
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/new-lecroy-scope-waverunner-8000/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/new-lecroy-scope-waverunner-8000/)

I would assume a request by Lecroy to stop talking about their stuff?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: tautech on April 19, 2016, 04:41:41 am
Can we dare to ask why this thread has been locked?  :-//
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/new-lecroy-scope-waverunner-8000/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/new-lecroy-scope-waverunner-8000/)

I would assume a request by Lecroy to stop talking about their stuff?
Yeah right.  :-DD
What hold might LeCroy have over Dave for him or Simon to lock that thread.  :-//
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Koen on April 19, 2016, 04:46:12 am
Disappointing action indeed. But hey, let's all talk about moronic kickstarters instead !
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Richard Crowley on April 19, 2016, 04:48:11 am
Can we dare to ask why this thread has been locked?  :-//
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/new-lecroy-scope-waverunner-8000/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/new-lecroy-scope-waverunner-8000/)
Perhaps because the thread devolved into personal argument between "Someone" and "Wuerstchenhund".
I can't blame them for shutting it down. Presumed adults acting like children.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: tautech on April 19, 2016, 04:54:05 am
Can we dare to ask why this thread has been locked?  :-//
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/new-lecroy-scope-waverunner-8000/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/new-lecroy-scope-waverunner-8000/)
Perhaps because the thread devolved into personal argument between "Someone" and "Wuerstchenhund".
I can't blame them for shutting it down. Presumed adults acting like children.
Some might have seen it as such but wasn't it a discussion on advanced DSO use and something we could all benefit from?
Still  :-//
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Smokey on April 20, 2016, 01:56:54 am
I just read the last page and if that's considered personal attacks warranting the locking of a thread then that was the most on topic civil personal attach I've ever read.  Ha!   That was just two dudes having a technical disagreement.

::edit to say... I had a dude reply with this to me the other day.  Not that I really care.

1) read the fucking thread
2) read the fucking thread  :rant:
3) my previous post is more useful then yours
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: ez24 on April 20, 2016, 04:06:54 am
I just read the last page and if that's considered personal attacks warranting the locking of a thread then that was the most on topic civil personal attach I've ever read.  Ha!   That was just two dudes having a technical disagreement.

I agree and it was over a scope.  They should get together and make a YT video.   Maybe they can do it via live chat.  Seriously these two guys could run a chat forum.  Just imagine what they could do for a resistor  :-DD

Also I think it should be a sticky so others could be entertained.  At least it should be opened up to see what these guys can do.



Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on April 20, 2016, 04:10:36 am
I just read the last page and if that's considered personal attacks warranting the locking of a thread then that was the most on topic civil personal attach I've ever read.  Ha!   That was just two dudes having a technical disagreement.

I agree, I'll unlock the thread.
IIRC one of participants in question actually reported the thread which bought it to the attention of the moderators.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: ez24 on April 20, 2016, 04:18:59 am
I just read the last page and if that's considered personal attacks warranting the locking of a thread then that was the most on topic civil personal attach I've ever read.  Ha!   That was just two dudes having a technical disagreement.

I agree, I'll unlock the thread.
IIRC one of participants in question actually reported the thread which bought it to the attention of the moderators.

Dave I think you should invite them to your radio show  :-+
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Monkeh on May 16, 2016, 04:03:06 pm
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?u=120366 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?u=120366)

Is this his second account, or his third? Or has he got to four already?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: ez24 on June 26, 2016, 10:31:32 pm
To moderators

Can I (with your help) start a "sticky"  with a title like

"Microcontroller tutorials, primers, classes, course material, books"

under:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/microcontrollers/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/microcontrollers/)

----

The reason is MCUs are pretty advance and I think someone interested in them would not look under

Beginners

I am willing to go through

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/beginners/electronics-primers-course-material-and-books/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/beginners/electronics-primers-course-material-and-books/)

and copy links regarding MCUs to the new MCU resource

Thank you
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Galenbo on June 30, 2016, 01:29:37 pm
I agree, this forum deserves a higher class of moderator.
Moderator Simon is going wild again.

Falsely accusing others about "going Wild" in the Brexit tread, but read his own remarks and language use.
Threatening with Warnings and Ban again, for what? Making a polite remark "I am surprised"

Somebody please explain this guy the basics about a moderator status:

-a referee doesn't touch the ball
-a referee stays neutral in the differences between camps
-when the referee clearly isn't neutral, the remark "you are not neutral" doesn't lead to a ban of the guy that made the remark.
-a referee that clearly isn't neutral, and threatens to make abuse of his powers, has to get thrown out.
-when the referee wants to play football, he first ends his status and joins a team.

Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Zero999 on June 30, 2016, 03:10:47 pm
I agree, this forum deserves a higher class of moderator.
Moderator Simon is going wild again.

Falsely accusing others about "going Wild" in the Brexit tread, but read his own remarks and language use.
Threatening with Warnings and Ban again, for what? Making a polite remark "I am surprised"

Somebody please explain this guy the basics about a moderator status:

-a referee doesn't touch the ball
-a referee stays neutral in the differences between camps
-when the referee clearly isn't neutral, the remark "you are not neutral" doesn't lead to a ban of the guy that made the remark.
-a referee that clearly isn't neutral, and threatens to make abuse of his powers, has to get thrown out.
-when the referee wants to play football, he first ends his status and joins a team.
If you have a problem with the moderator then why not report it to Dave?

No one can be neutral. Everyone has an opinion. I'd rather someone be honest about not being neutral, rather than pretending to be unbiased.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Kjelt on June 30, 2016, 03:50:03 pm
I am an admin on another forum and I differentiate between moderation posts and personal posts.
So admin posts are in red and normal user posts are in black, perhaps an idea for the moderators here.
But admins are allowed to have a personal opinion and this can be biased, the role of admin is not of a referee, there is no match, it is keeping the forum readable and get rid of people that are not "nice".
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: ez24 on June 30, 2016, 08:37:01 pm
No one can be neutral. Everyone has an opinion. I'd rather someone be honest about not being neutral, rather than pretending to be unbiased.
Unfortunately this is true.  Look at the US Supreme Court
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on July 01, 2016, 08:03:18 am
I am an admin on another forum and I differentiate between moderation posts and personal posts.
So admin posts are in red and normal user posts are in black, perhaps an idea for the moderators here.
But admins are allowed to have a personal opinion and this can be biased, the role of admin is not of a referee, there is no match, it is keeping the forum readable and get rid of people that are not "nice".

I have not read the massive Brexit thread, but I agree that moderators have their own opinions on topics and are entitled to express it.
Don't forget that Simon is the 3rd highest poster on the forum, and the 2nd highest topic starter behind myself. Only a small percentage of that would be moderator comments. He got the job in the first place because he was one of the highest posters on the forum at the time.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on July 01, 2016, 08:04:30 am
I am an admin on another forum and I differentiate between moderation posts and personal posts.
So admin posts are in red and normal user posts are in black, perhaps an idea for the moderators here.

That's not a bad idea, and I actually do that occasionally so the moderation posts stands out.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Macbeth on July 01, 2016, 09:07:39 pm
What was second prize?
A poison chalice? You don't think one booby prize is enough?  :-DD  ;)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on July 03, 2016, 07:49:44 pm
I agree, this forum deserves a higher class of moderator.
Moderator Simon is going wild again.

Falsely accusing others about "going Wild" in the Brexit tread, but read his own remarks and language use.
Threatening with Warnings and Ban again, for what? Making a polite remark "I am surprised"

Somebody please explain this guy the basics about a moderator status:

-a referee doesn't touch the ball
-a referee stays neutral in the differences between camps
-when the referee clearly isn't neutral, the remark "you are not neutral" doesn't lead to a ban of the guy that made the remark.
-a referee that clearly isn't neutral, and threatens to make abuse of his powers, has to get thrown out.
-when the referee wants to play football, he first ends his status and joins a team.



To put this into context I could have banned you months ago for racist posts. I should have done just that! I gave you a chance and you start again. I am not throwing my weight around, we are all enthusiastically debating. My posts hold no more weight that anyone elses and as i said in my "heavy post" you can say what you like about me but be careful, this in reference to your racist posts in the past.

So new policy as a moderator: you cross the line just once and your out! That way I get less greif from trouble makers!
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on July 03, 2016, 07:52:54 pm
Don't be a flipping idiot, you really believe the claim that the earth is heavier because water is now in the ground instead of the ocean. Just shut up or put up, or I'll put you up!

Moderators are called for civility.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/ieee-has-bought-into-solar-roadways/msg873199/#msg873199 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/ieee-has-bought-into-solar-roadways/msg873199/#msg873199)

Said to a user that does nothing but stir up trouble particularly in contentious threads, again thank you for making my life easier, in future, you make trouble you are banned because giving people a chance is just endorsing their behaviour. We would have had a lot less trouble from another user had it not been for the user I was replying to.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: tautech on July 03, 2016, 08:00:34 pm
So one wonders if there will be any future moderate moderation?

That members can't/won't be advised their posts have stepped over some invisible line is a little disturbing.  :scared:
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on July 03, 2016, 08:19:13 pm
Well it's up to you. I can delete posts, warn members but if that means that dealing with those members in the future means that they make accusations then you tell me what should I do. I could have easily banned members for overstepping the mark but had not despite it being so bad it should have been clear to them what they were doing and that it was not acceptable. I have infact been generous enough to consider that maybe someone was under the influence while posting and waited to see if they continued on the trend.

If one member constantly taunts another member why should I/Dave allow him to stay ? i will not mention names I am sure we know who I mean, just mentioning his damn name can cause problems. Had i banned one member another member would not have been driven to the point that he started to threaten the existence of this forum (sorry details not available - it's history but not forgotten).

the idea of the moderation was to be a soft touch, not to curtail discussion and expression of opinions and to allow people to say what they want without offending others, but a lot of people have ignored this or played the fine line. We can do this either way. Trying to be fair all round is a lot more work than just banning someone the moment they overstep the mark badly or are found to be trying to pervert the smooth running of the forum over a period of time is easier, but it's not what we wanted to do. So apparently I need to keep a log now of what people say in order to protect myself later, unfortunately the moderator functions do not allow for much self organization and to catalog a users behaviour, although I admit I've not explored it much.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: ez24 on July 03, 2016, 08:19:36 pm
So new policy as a moderator: you cross the line just once and your out! That way I get less greif from trouble makers!

Really kinda scary  :-[   How about at least one warning first?   I was once warned (by Dave) and after that I kept my mouth shut. (it was because I got way off topic)

Sometimes it can be easy to cross the line, so at least one warning is due.  But a ban - ouch !

Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on July 03, 2016, 08:25:25 pm
So new policy as a moderator: you cross the line just once and your out! That way I get less greif from trouble makers!

Really kinda scary  :-[   How about at least one warning first?   I was once warned (by Dave) and after that I kept my mouth shut. (it was because I got way off topic)

Sometimes it can be easy to cross the line, so at least one warning is due.  But a ban - ouch !



It's certainly not what I normally. Take an example that if my dodgy memory serves me is not far from fact. If someone makes a racist post with a slant to being far right wing extremist ? is that clear cut enough to just an because that person will just be a problem full stop or do I give them a chance ?

Of course I don't want to just ban people but as I said above I will keep a log of offending posts so that if we are in this situation again I can name and shame.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: tautech on July 03, 2016, 08:34:45 pm
Well it's up to you. I can delete posts, warn members but if that means that dealing with those members in the future means that they make accusations then you tell me what should I do.
And I thank you for a slap on the wrist for a historical wrong doing of mine, I know what's acceptable now and don't want to add to your workload however IMO the loose topic of General Chat that seems to incite emotional POV's is a sub thread I mostly avoid and find something more constructive to do.

Does this part of the forum need better/stronger rules, should you refrain as a moderator from becoming involved unless on moderation business or do you need more help?
We haven't seen GeoffS for a while is he still around?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: ez24 on July 03, 2016, 08:35:57 pm
It's certainly not what I normally.

Thanks

While I have your attention how about this? :

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/moderation-reports/msg970948/#msg970948 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/moderation-reports/msg970948/#msg970948)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on July 03, 2016, 08:39:10 pm
It's certainly not what I normally.

Thanks

While I have your attention how about this? :

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/moderation-reports/msg970948/#msg970948 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/moderation-reports/msg970948/#msg970948)

If you start the topic and bring it to my or Daves attention one of us can sticky it.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: jitter on July 03, 2016, 08:39:36 pm
So new policy as a moderator: you cross the line just once and your out! That way I get less greif from trouble makers!

Really kinda scary  :-[   How about at least one warning first?   I was once warned (by Dave) and after that I kept my mouth shut. (it was because I got way off topic)

Sometimes it can be easy to cross the line, so at least one warning is due.  But a ban - ouch !

Agreed.
Since logs of offending posts have to be kept anyway, I would like to propose a three-strikes law:
Strike 1: warning;
Strike 2: temporary ban (say a week);
Strike 3: permanent ban.

This way no one can say that they didn't see it coming and proof of three strikes is present.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Kilrah on July 03, 2016, 08:47:49 pm
From experience moderating other forums... the type of guys who really deserve an instant ban will just re-register another username straight away (if they don't already have multiple accounts), keep quiet for a while then just start wit their BS again, repeat forever. So an instant ban with no warning doesn't change a thing for them.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on July 03, 2016, 08:50:21 pm
Well it's up to you. I can delete posts, warn members but if that means that dealing with those members in the future means that they make accusations then you tell me what should I do.
And I thank you for a slap on the wrist for a historical wrong doing of mine, I know what's acceptable now and don't want to add to your workload however IMO the loose topic of General Chat that seems to incite emotional POV's is a sub thread I mostly avoid and find something more constructive to do.

Does this part of the forum need better/stronger rules, should you refrain as a moderator from becoming involved unless on moderation business or do you need more help?
We haven't seen GeoffS for a while is he still around?

GeoffS moved country and decided he wanted to stop. I am a forum user first of all. Moderation started as self moderation on a board with a few hundred members of which a few dozen were active and knew each other well. We then needed someone to get rid of the spam and be on hand to regulate small disputes and keep things in line. since then the forum has grown by orders of magnitude so it all gets more complex and people think they can hide. I am not happy to not get involved in topics. As I have already pointed out my so called over the top posts have been in response to members who have previously caused a problem (and probably been warned privately or publicly).

I like debating but I also have to keep an eye on how threads go, they will get out of hand either way. The problem is when people don't like an informal warning and seem to magically forget their past or someone else decides to bring it up in retrospect with no idea of the facts at the time. If it's deemed to be that much of a problem I can register a second account for use as a moderator but I can't see how that solves it. As Dave mentioned I also use red text from time to time. Although it should be clear when I speak as a moderator and when I am just a user. I clearly pointed out that a certain user could say what they like about me as i consider myself slightly fairer game being a moderator and would not want to be seen to be acting only in my interest but to be careful what he said - remembering the sort of stuff he/she has posted before and not wanting to get to the point where I have to take action and clear a shitstorm up. but instead it back fires and here we are.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on July 03, 2016, 08:52:48 pm
From experience moderating other forums... the type of guys who really deserve an instant ban will just re-register another username straight away (if they don't already have multiple accounts), keep quiet for a while then just start wit their BS again, repeat forever. So an instant ban with no warning doesn't change a thing for them.

which is one of the reasons I prefer to warn them and delete the offending post and hope they learn, doesn't always work it seems. but ultimately a repeat offender needs dealing with and there is not a lot you can do but ban the repeat accounts until they tire of it.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: ez24 on July 03, 2016, 08:52:54 pm
If you start the topic and bring it to my or Daves attention one of us can sticky it.
thanks
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on July 04, 2016, 01:38:48 am
As a long time moderator you can comment. Has the amount of moderation work diminished recently? Particularly since the "ignore topics" facility was enabled. Can you eeasily tell if it is a widely used facility? I know I use it for "those" threads. Sometimes for popular threads that just don't interest me as well.

Only stats available:
(http://i.imgur.com/SjfokEa.png)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on July 04, 2016, 03:49:16 pm
From experience moderating other forums... the type of guys who really deserve an instant ban will just re-register another username straight away (if they don't already have multiple accounts), keep quiet for a while then just start wit their BS again, repeat forever. So an instant ban with no warning doesn't change a thing for them.

which is one of the reasons I prefer to warn them and delete the offending post and hope they learn, doesn't always work it seems. but ultimately a repeat offender needs dealing with and there is not a lot you can do but ban the repeat accounts until they tire of it.

As a long time moderator you can comment. Has the amount of moderation work diminished recently? Particularly since the "ignore topics" facility was enabled. Can you eeasily tell if it is a widely used facility? I know I use it for "those" threads. Sometimes for popular threads that just don't interest me as well.

It's been pretty steady. No real change over time.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: ez24 on July 04, 2016, 05:51:51 pm
Particularly since the "ignore topics" facility was enabled.

Can someone tell me how to "ignore topics".   thanks
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: edavid on July 04, 2016, 06:03:04 pm
Particularly since the "ignore topics" facility was enabled.

Can someone tell me how to "ignore topics".   thanks

You have to enable it: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/forum-update-new-ignore-topics-feature/msg651768/#msg651768 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/forum-update-new-ignore-topics-feature/msg651768/#msg651768)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: ez24 on July 04, 2016, 07:29:12 pm
Can someone tell me how to "ignore topics".   thanks

You have to enable it: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/forum-update-new-ignore-topics-feature/msg651768/#msg651768 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/forum-update-new-ignore-topics-feature/msg651768/#msg651768)

Great - I do not think I would have ever found it.  Now no more BREXIT   :-+
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Galenbo on July 04, 2016, 07:44:49 pm
To put this into context I could have banned you months ago for racist posts.
you can say what you like about me but be careful, this in reference to your racist posts in the past.
I never posted something racist, stop accusing me just because you don't agree with what I think about population explosion.

So new policy as a moderator: you cross the line just once and your out! That way I get less greif from trouble makers!
You are right, as long as "the line" is previously defined in the forum rules, not something that is thrown up on-purpose.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on July 04, 2016, 07:49:54 pm
Well don't worry as i said I will keep a full record of every post I remove then we can stop these petty arguments.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Galenbo on July 04, 2016, 07:56:03 pm
Well don't worry as i said I will keep a full record of every post I remove then we can stop these petty arguments.
Please send my post you see as racist, in this tread or PM, like you wish.
You have to understand I don't like to be falsely accused of that, like I assume you don't like to be falsely accused of being a pedophile.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on July 04, 2016, 07:58:45 pm
I don't have the time to dig it out assuming it is still around (it was quite some time ago). Lets just call it quits or are you on some crusade ? If you really had a problem all you had to do was contact Dave and let him rule instead of making a public fuss or are you just seeking attention?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Galenbo on July 04, 2016, 08:04:12 pm
- Lets just call it quits...
that started good, good idea.

...or are you on some crusade ?
unnecessary end, makes it sound ugly.

... or are you just seeking attention?
pfff, that guy is a mess.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: ez24 on July 04, 2016, 08:27:41 pm
...
...

Can I put in my two cents.

Can different "rules" apply to different types of posts ?

Brexit was by nature a political post.  Brexit had elements of racisim in it.  I can hear it on public radio in the US.   

I made some sort of comment (I think I said black friday was coming) so I got to see the Brexit Unread Post everyday much to my sorrow.

What I suggest is that if there is "more crap" in a political post, give them more slack.  If in an electronics related post, warn and/or ban them.

In my case, I just learned to "ignore" the Brexit posts.  So what I suggest to the moderators, when a complaint comes in on a political topic, post instructions on how to ignore the post and ignore the posts by setting your ignore button.

Maybe less people will get upset if they know how to ignore the post (not easy to find out how).

So how about relax rules for non-electronic posts ?  (now that I have learned how to ignore them  :-DD :-DD :-DD )

ps  In the past, I have enjoyed some of the heated posts.  I think this forum has a higher standard of flaming posts.   :-DD

thanks for your understanding

Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on July 04, 2016, 09:07:54 pm
Political topics which in theory are not allowed do get given a bit more understanding but of course that can get abused. We know that things will get a bit heated in a political discussion but providing they don't get personal which is where all this started it's not a problem.

There has in fact only been one or 2 reports for the brexit topic. But there does come a point where things get out of hand and people start to think they can say what they like and I'm afraid there are limits even in a political debate.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: ez24 on July 04, 2016, 10:00:22 pm
Political topics which in theory are not allowed do get given a bit more understanding but of course that can get abused. We know that things will get a bit heated in a political discussion but providing they don't get personal which is where all this started it's not a problem.

There has in fact only been one or 2 reports for the brexit topic. But there does come a point where things get out of hand and people start to think they can say what they like and I'm afraid there are limits even in a political debate.
Thanks for your consideration and help running this forum.   People need to remember that without moderators, there would be NO forum.

Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Karel on July 05, 2016, 07:03:27 am
I really have no clue about why "General chat' is even necessary here. Let alone political discussions.
I thought this was a forum about electronics. For other other topics, there are already plenty of other forums available.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Galenbo on July 05, 2016, 07:32:10 am
I really have no clue about why "General chat' is even necessary here. Let alone political discussions.
I thought this was a forum about electronics. For other other topics, there are already plenty of other forums available.
You are right about other existing forums, but in this particular case, it's interesting to see how people with a work-related education with de-facto access to the private job market think about that "Brexit" phenomen.
This is surely very different from "lifestyle" forums or a Wallstreet/Londoncity traders forum.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Cubdriver on July 05, 2016, 08:12:39 am
I really have no clue about why "General chat' is even necessary here. Let alone political discussions.
I thought this was a forum about electronics. For other other topics, there are already plenty of other forums available.

I suppose the simplest thing then would be to just not read the general chat section of the forum.  I rather enjoy this section, and there are a lot of fascinating topics here in my opinion.  They also tend, by and large, to be electronics (or at least technology) related, but perhaps things that are not an exact fit to any of the other sub forums.  It seems easy enough to not read what doesn't interest you.  And, as I think about it, almost all of the forums I belong to have a similar, more 'social' (for lack of a better term) section for members of the forum so simply chat about things or news that may not be directly forum related, but that may be of interest to people of similar persuasion.

-Pat
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on July 05, 2016, 11:39:18 am
Quite, I don't see all the complaining about "stuff i don't want to see". the forum is for everyone, just because you have no interest in that subject does not mean it should not be there.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on July 05, 2016, 12:10:27 pm
I suppose the simplest thing then would be to just not read the general chat section of the forum. 

Majority of people use the "Show Unread Posts" option, which shows all new posts from every section.
There is also an Ignore Boards option:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?area=ignoreboards;u=3 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?area=ignoreboards;u=3)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Kean on July 05, 2016, 12:59:18 pm
There is also an Ignore Boards option:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?area=ignoreboards;u=3 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?area=ignoreboards;u=3)

You need to remove the u=3 (EEVblog user ID) from that link for it to work on your own account
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?area=ignoreboards (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?area=ignoreboards)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Ian.M on July 09, 2016, 12:42:37 pm
I'd nominate the Brexit thread for locking.  I followed it for a while to see if anyone was going to post anything of interest and relevant for this forum, e.g. specific research or high-tech industries under threat due to Brexit.  Although some interesting points have been made it has zero electronics content and close to zero technology content, and clearly breeches rule 5. 
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: ez24 on July 09, 2016, 05:42:20 pm
I'd nominate the Brexit thread for locking.
This was the first one I "ignored".  Had to learn how to do it.

Edit - But I would NOT ask to lock it.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on July 09, 2016, 05:51:00 pm
I'd nominate the Brexit thread for locking.  I followed it for a while to see if anyone was going to post anything of interest and relevant for this forum, e.g. specific research or high-tech industries under threat due to Brexit.  Although some interesting points have been made it has zero electronics content and close to zero technology content, and clearly breeches rule 5. 

If you read the entirety of rule 5 it asks that things are kept on topic and warns users who come here solely to discuss politics and other controversial topics that they are not welcome. This is primarily an electronics forum but we do have a general chat section which is not meant for strictly electronic topics. The main objection to religious and political and conspiracy theory discussions is that they invariably get out of hand with a lot of mudslinging and it takes an awful lot of time and anguish sort things out. At the end of the day if you really don't like the damn thread don't read it as other rules say beings as you are so quick to quote them you have no right to be offended on this forum if you don't like it and is not directly insulting you then tough! I'm sure the EU exit thread is going around in circles in the same way in which the FTD I gate thread did and there was not a lot electronics discussion in that really it was more about morality ethics and the law and just repeated the same arguments over and over again every 10 to 20 pages until eventually everybody ran out of steam. The EU exit thread seem to be doing the same thing and believe it or not has received virtually no reports. In fact the vast majority of the reports about it have been from people who think they need to tell us that we need to close its or do other things with it. Nobody has offended anybody and people are being fairly civilised. If Dave wishes to close it then that is of course up to him it's his forum but it seems that some people here are trying to impose on others what they can and can't do despite the fact they have the 0 power. In fact the FTDI gate thread got more reports than the EU exit thread has.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Ian.M on July 09, 2016, 06:03:59 pm
It seems to me that if one is going to have a rule like rule 5, one needs to enforce it as even-handedly as possible, especially with a current US presidential election campaign in progress. 

Every US election campaign, USENET got flooded with political spam and off-topic 'debate' in violation of individual group charters.  Each time, knowledgeable regulars left for closely moderated fora and never returned. Most of USENET is  now a wasteland.

If the camel sticks its nose in the tent, the only sane response is to swat it not welcome the whole camel in.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on July 09, 2016, 06:06:29 pm
Well it's Dave's rules that are being broken not yours so I do not worry about it. As has been said throughout the rules are not harshly enforced as it is pointless being overly regimental. The whole point of the rules is to ensure we have something to fall back on to stop things getting out of control and that people know roughly where they stand.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: zapta on July 09, 2016, 06:24:36 pm
In my case, I just learned to "ignore" the Brexit posts.  So what I suggest to the moderators, when a complaint comes in on a political topic, post instructions on how to ignore the post and ignore the posts by setting your ignore button.

Maybe less people will get upset if they know how to ignore the post (not easy to find out how).

How does one ignores topics?  I couldn't figure it out myself.

(for general knowledge, not for any current thread).
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Ian.M on July 09, 2016, 06:27:57 pm
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/forum-update-new-ignore-topics-feature/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/forum-update-new-ignore-topics-feature/)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: zapta on July 09, 2016, 07:05:06 pm
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/forum-update-new-ignore-topics-feature/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/forum-update-new-ignore-topics-feature/)

Thanks Ian, but still no luck.

I don't see this "You'll find the button in the top right on the Unread Posts page."  here https://www.eevblog.com/forum/unread (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/unread)

Also, cannot follow this path:  "Profile>Modify Profile>Look and Layout>Show quick-moderation as: Checkboxes".  The Profile button at the top doesn't have a Modify Profile sub button, just Summary, Account Setting, Forum Profile, and Mentions.

Am I missing something?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: ez24 on July 09, 2016, 07:26:50 pm
I don't see this "You'll find the button in the top right on the Unread Posts page."

You see this after you set it up

"Profile>Modify Profile>Look and Layout>Show quick-moderation as: Checkboxes". 

Profile has two reactions, click and hover.  Click on it (you hovered on it)

Then above Summary you will see Modify Profile (hover on it)

then "Look ..."

And check the box for

 "Hide messages posted by members on my ignore list."

I had the same problem - bad design to have two reactions on the same button - in my opinion

Then go back to the way you normally see messages and you should see additional options

Did this work for you?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Ian.M on July 09, 2016, 07:30:50 pm
Alternatively, go to your profile.  On that page, the [Modify Profile] button has a dropdown including 'Look and Layout'.   
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: zapta on July 09, 2016, 07:59:32 pm
That checkbox was already checked in my profile:

(http://i.imgur.com/yhqjLC3.png)

But I don't see any new button to ignore topics:

(http://i.imgur.com/WQmLHr7.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/TKvK9Z6.png)

What am I missing?

I think this justified a short EEVBlog2 video.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Ian.M on July 09, 2016, 08:03:08 pm
Down the bottom of 'Look and Layout':
 'Show quick-moderation as [Checkboxes]v'

That turns it on then you get the checkboxes with an ignore button at the top on topic lists.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: jitter on July 09, 2016, 08:11:47 pm
What am I missing?

This:
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Bud on July 09, 2016, 08:15:30 pm
I think ignore topics only works if you select "show unread posts since last visit", it is on top left of the forum home page below your avatar. There you will find the ignore topics check box.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: tautech on July 09, 2016, 08:32:31 pm
I think ignore topics only works if you select "show unread posts since last visit", it is on top left of the forum home page below your avatar.
Exactly.

I'm only ignoring a few, but it's a few that now don't show up in the "unread posts" however I'm now taking to marking those that might be ignored as "read" but the do show up again with another reply.
For ignoring long term, the ignore topics function is the way to go.  :)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: bitslice on July 09, 2016, 09:41:18 pm
Although some interesting points have been made it has zero electronics content and close to zero technology content, and clearly breeches rule 5.

I actually disagree that only electronic threads should be considered worthy, this forum is uniquely international, and international views of other countries are very interesting.

Granted that a lot of views are going to be controversial, but so what.
Personally I had hoped for Bretix to have considered the post WWII historical influences on the EU, as I feel they have directly created a number of social issues that will lead to its destruction.

But it appears everyone would rather discuss economics  :=\
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: zapta on July 10, 2016, 01:30:08 am
I think ignore topics only works if you select "show unread posts since last visit", it is on top left of the forum home page below your avatar. There you will find the ignore topics check box.

I cannot find that selection. Is this the home page you refer to?  https://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php)

This is what I see in that home page

(http://i.imgur.com/bZm9cGN.png)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Richard Crowley on July 10, 2016, 01:38:13 am
Here, use THIS for your "home page"...
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/unreadreplies/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/unreadreplies/)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: tautech on July 10, 2016, 02:00:57 am
I think ignore topics only works if you select "show unread posts since last visit", it is on top left of the forum home page below your avatar. There you will find the ignore topics check box.

I cannot find that selection. Is this the home page you refer to?  https://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/index.php)

This is what I see in that home page

(http://i.imgur.com/bZm9cGN.png)
Nope, you missed the little arrow on the top right corner.
Click that to expand the top of the page that will reveal you avatar etc.
Then you should be able to access the tabs you need.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: zapta on July 10, 2016, 02:09:09 am
Nope, you missed the little arrow on the top right corner.
Click that to expand the top of the page that will reveal you avatar etc.
Then you should be able to access the tabs you need.

Bingo! I can see it now. Thanks everybody for the hand holding.

(http://i.imgur.com/O1weJR2.png)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: GEuser on July 10, 2016, 03:50:40 am
It's a good thing when everyone is picking on you Simon , as then i get left alone (and most others) , keep the head up above the trench !
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Macbeth on July 10, 2016, 04:54:57 pm
I've recently ignored a topic just to test this feature. But now I want to know if there is any gossip going on in my ignored topic. Indeed I've even forgotten what topic I am ignoring but feel I am missing out on something.

Can we have a 'Show new replies to your ignored topics.' option?  :-DD ;)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: AF6LJ on July 10, 2016, 06:46:33 pm
I've recently ignored a topic just to test this feature. But now I want to know if there is any gossip going on in my ignored topic. Indeed I've even forgotten what topic I am ignoring but feel I am missing out on something.

Can we have a 'Show new replies to your ignored topics.' option?  :-DD ;)
I have the most sophisticated software add on for ignoring topics, threads, entire forums and people. The good news is it is FREE!!.
We are all born with it, that good old Mark-One, Mod A Brain....
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on July 10, 2016, 06:47:18 pm
I've recently ignored a topic just to test this feature. But now I want to know if there is any gossip going on in my ignored topic. Indeed I've even forgotten what topic I am ignoring but feel I am missing out on something.

Can we have a 'Show new replies to your ignored topics.' option?  :-DD ;)
I have the most sophisticated software add on for ignoring topics, threads, entire forums and people. The good news is it is FREE!!.
We are all born with it, that good old Mark-One, Mod A Brain....

Finally, somebody figured that one out.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: zapta on July 10, 2016, 07:30:20 pm
I've recently ignored a topic just to test this feature. But now I want to know if there is any gossip going on in my ignored topic. Indeed I've even forgotten what topic I am ignoring but feel I am missing out on something.

Can we have a 'Show new replies to your ignored topics.' option?  :-DD ;)
Yes, we were talking about you in that thread.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Cubdriver on July 10, 2016, 09:19:50 pm
I have the most sophisticated software add on for ignoring topics, threads, entire forums and people. The good news is it is FREE!!.
We are all born with it, that good old Mark-One, Mod A Brain....

 :-+ :-+ :-+ :-+

Why does this incredibly simple solution seem to elude so many people?

-Pat
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Ian.M on July 10, 2016, 09:35:30 pm
I have the most sophisticated software add on for ignoring topics, threads, entire forums and people. The good news is it is FREE!!.
We are all born with it, that good old Mark-One, Mod A Brain....
?

 :-+ :-+ :-+ :-+

Why does this incredibly simple solution seem to elude so many people?
Because:
(https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png) (https://xkcd.com/386/)

Sometimes for one's own sanity, one needs an actual ignore button on the web page.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: AF6LJ on July 11, 2016, 12:19:42 am
I have the most sophisticated software add on for ignoring topics, threads, entire forums and people. The good news is it is FREE!!.
We are all born with it, that good old Mark-One, Mod A Brain....
Having made the decision once I prefer to leave it at that and not have to repeat it. Apparently my brain is not a "good old Mark-One, Mod A Brain". Even having ignored the topic I sometimes get curious to see if it goes as I expected. Invariably it does but even that isn't sufficient to stop me.

I understand, it takes a little effort sometimes to not look...
Sometimes looking but not acting is the best path.
There are lots of things in this world that upset me. Some threads here are included.
I walked away from the Hillery thread after I said my piece.. I didn't bother with the Brexit thread. A thread over on another forum about our Independence Day had a comment made by someone in the UK that I found offencive, and I said my piece and moved on. What he or anybody else in that thread had to say I was not concerned with, though I did look at a few posts, but did not act. 

All in All this place is one of the most well mannered places on the Internet.
People here are very respectful of others, more than many other places.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Macbeth on July 11, 2016, 01:56:23 am
I was only joking about the checking ignored topics. I really hope you guys are just trolling about actually going back and checking them...  :scared:
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Ian.M on July 11, 2016, 03:55:22 am
What would be nice, is a way of dropping a thread you have participated in from your unread replies page if you have decided to walk away from it without needing to ignore the whole topic.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Don Hills on July 11, 2016, 10:08:04 am
...
We are all born with it, that good old Mark-One, Mod A Brain....

I think mine's broken.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: AF6LJ on July 12, 2016, 03:54:49 pm
...
We are all born with it, that good old Mark-One, Mod A Brain....

I think mine's broken.
There are parts of mine where the magic smoke was let out, but it is still mostly functional.  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Bob F. on July 15, 2016, 03:58:13 pm
...
We are all born with it, that good old Mark-One, Mod A Brain....

I think mine's broken.
Mine too.  It keeps powering down every night and takes several hours to come back online.  I might try changing the caps.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on July 15, 2016, 04:09:12 pm
...
We are all born with it, that good old Mark-One, Mod A Brain....

I think mine's broken.
Mine too.  It keeps powering down every night and takes several hours to come back online.  I might try changing the caps.

Nah, just top up with electrolyte, I mean coffee
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Kjelt on July 18, 2016, 04:05:37 pm
Don,t know where to put this else since there seems not to be a forum board.

I get continuously a 502 bad gateway error screens on my mobile if I press the "Show new replies to your posts" line in the left top box.
The problem is that it translates to:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/unreadreplies/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/unreadreplies/)
And it should be
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/unreadreplies (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/unreadreplies)

Can someone fix this please?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: edavid on July 18, 2016, 04:28:22 pm
Don,t know where to put this else since there seems not to be a forum board.

I get continuously a 502 bad gateway error screens on my mobile if I press the "Show new replies to your posts" line in the left top box.
The problem is that it translates to:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/unreadreplies/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/unreadreplies/)
And it should be
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/unreadreplies (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/unreadreplies)

Can someone fix this please?

The difference in the URLs is not causing the 502 problem.  Those URLs are handled identically by the server.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Kjelt on July 18, 2016, 05:20:44 pm
The difference in the URLs is not causing the 502 problem.  Those URLs are handled identically by the server.
I admit that on a pc it normally works but on my ipad it does not since yesterday  :-// .
The first URL works correctly on the ipad the second always returns an 502.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Galenbo on July 22, 2016, 12:42:56 pm
the final quote from the Brexit Tread:

Quote from: EEVblog link=https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/uk-forum-members-brexit/msg984885/#msg984885
Sorry to spoil the fun here, but this topic has just cracked the Top 10 list of topics in the public stats. I don't want that to happen for off-topic stuff, it makes the forum look bad.
So the thread is now locked.

I think it's the right decision: The forum has to be mainly about electronics, less about society/economics/politics.
Even if I felt the need to contribute in that topic.

Witch leads to point number2: If I look into my profile, I see too much of my comments are made in "General Chat"
That's not why I'm here, I don't want to be diverted to those topics.

There exist a fantastic option in a computer related forum: "not-new" users have to personally ask "level-Gen" permission to post in those general/politic treads, and some days after they get that permission.
Administrators can block "level-Gen" permission, for example for technically well contributing persons, but also for persons that only post in those kind of treads.

Please make that possible here.
I even never asked "level-Gen" permission there, even though I sometimes felt the need to post in such a general/politics tread.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Smokey on July 22, 2016, 07:48:28 pm
There is a "General Chat" section for a reason... to have a place where non-electronics stuff can happen.  If you never ever wanted to have your sensitive eyes see anything non-electronics related, then don't click on "General Chat".  It's really that simple.  If people start making "Does god exist???" threads in the "Metrology" section THEN you have a problem.  Until then everyone needs to calm down.  No one makes you click every link that exists on the internet.  Why make this a special case?
This whole discussion is silly.  People who have an interest in electronics also have opinions on other things besides electronics and like to discuss that.  That's not interfering with discussions about electronics in any way.

And lets not forget.... Forum posts and page views of ANY KIND get Dave more money..... If an EEVBlog Brexit thread shows up as the #1 google hit for Brexit that would be a HUGE revenue boost.  This isn't just a place for us to waste time, this is a business that needs to feed 4 people now.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: MK14 on July 22, 2016, 08:27:42 pm
There is a "General Chat" section for a reason... to have a place where non-electronics stuff can happen.  If you never ever wanted to have your sensitive eyes see anything non-electronics related, then don't click on "General Chat".  It's really that simple.  If people start making "Does god exist???" threads in the "Metrology" section THEN you have a problem.  Until then everyone needs to calm down.  No one makes you click every link that exists on the internet.  Why make this a special case?
This whole discussion is silly.  People who have an interest in electronics also have opinions on other things besides electronics and like to discuss that.  That's not interfering with discussions about electronics in any way.

And lets not forget.... Forum posts and page views of ANY KIND get Dave more money..... If an EEVBlog Brexit thread shows up as the #1 google hit for Brexit that would be a HUGE revenue boost.  This isn't just a place for us to waste time, this is a business that needs to feed 4 people now.

The problem is that it is well known and understood, what happens, when you have/allow political threads, which are not to be confused with general off-topic threads.

Unfortunately what sometimes happens with political threads, is that big, overheated arguments can take place. Potentially leading to personal attacks and trouble, sooner or later, within the forum.
Also stuff which can be written, can be a big annoyance to some members of society. Where a person expresses views which attacks others because of their life interests, or where they were born, etc etc. Again, this is rather problematic.

Therefore a serous moderation capability would be needed. Both in time coverage and resources. This forum (apparently) does not have anything like that sort of capability, and does not seem to want to go down that route. Which is their decision, and fine if that is what they want.

So I (sadly, because some political threads are fun and educationally interesting) have to fully support Dave's "locking" the Brexit thread, and his view on political threads.

If you especially want political thread able forums, there are a number of them available, and they are usually very large forums, with a sizable admins and moderation team. Potentially giving approximately 24 hour moderation coverage.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Zero999 on July 22, 2016, 08:43:39 pm
the final quote from the Brexit Tread:

Quote from: EEVblog link=https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/uk-forum-members-brexit/msg984885/#msg984885
Sorry to spoil the fun here, but this topic has just cracked the Top 10 list of topics in the public stats. I don't want that to happen for off-topic stuff, it makes the forum look bad.
So the thread is now locked.

I think it's the right decision: The forum has to be mainly about electronics, less about society/economics/politics.
Even if I felt the need to contribute in that topic.

Witch leads to point number2: If I look into my profile, I see too much of my comments are made in "General Chat"
That's not why I'm here, I don't want to be diverted to those topics.

Although I can see why Dave closed that thread. I was disappointed. I felt it was generally quite civil and I don't believe it attracted many moderation reports.

Like it or not, a lot about brexit is relevant here: it affects funding in science and engineering in the UK and the way other countries do business with the UK.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: xrunner on July 22, 2016, 09:51:06 pm
I used to have several SMF forums, and I'm pretty sure there is a setting that will prevent the topics in selected boards from appearing in the statistics totals such as what we are talking about, but it's been several years since I had access to those types of settings.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Galenbo on July 22, 2016, 09:57:17 pm
... If an EEVBlog Brexit thread shows up as the #1 google hit for Brexit that would be a HUGE revenue boost.  This isn't just a place for us to waste time, this is a business that needs to feed 4 people now.
Only complete sellouts would like to see their specialised technical website suddenly get immensely popular for a complete other reason, like politcs, SM bondage, cats with a Hitler moustache, A new TV series, or a Japanese flower contest.

I genuinely believe is was only closed because percentwise it became too havy.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Macbeth on July 22, 2016, 10:34:07 pm
Although I can see why Dave closed that thread. I was disappointed. I felt it was generally quite civil and I don't believe it attracted many moderation reports.
Nah. It had run its course and the convo was turning into a circle jerk of how great Sweden is and how they do everything right, etc...

Quote
Like it or not, a lot about brexit is relevant here: it affects funding in science and engineering in the UK and the way other countries do business with the UK.

You can always start another thread on brexit perhaps if you find it actually does affect you personally or in your business and not in some notional way like global currency markets throwing a tantrum because they backed the dead cert favourite and got it wrong. You can do this if it's good or bad, but hopefully related to electronics and not partisan politics.

I would think the rule for General Chat should be much like the chats we have at work or perhaps at the pub. Brexit was an issue at the time - worthy of discussion - but we have moved on. If people keep carrying on with that stuff in the office then they are in the "nutter" category.  :-DD
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Kjelt on July 22, 2016, 10:37:44 pm
The problem is that it is well known and understood, what happens, when you have/allow political threads, which are not to be confused with general off-topic threads.
.....
Therefore a serous moderation capability would be needed. Both in time coverage and resources. This forum (apparently) does not have anything like that sort of capability, and does not seem to want to go down that route. Which is their decision, and fine if that is what they want.
I agree, if you run an international forum you need to consider differences in culture, religion, politics and perhaps even sports.
All those topics are known to be able to oscillate and escalate a topic when two sides have different backgrounds and opinions.
Better keep away from those four topics to have a quiet forum, and people that do feel the need to talk about these topics or vent their opinion, there are enough alternative forums specialized in these topics to go to.  ;)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Zero999 on July 22, 2016, 10:55:59 pm
Although I can see why Dave closed that thread. I was disappointed. I felt it was generally quite civil and I don't believe it attracted many moderation reports.
Nah. It had run its course and the convo was turning into a circle jerk of how great Sweden is and how they do everything right, etc...

Quote
Like it or not, a lot about brexit is relevant here: it affects funding in science and engineering in the UK and the way other countries do business with the UK.

You can always start another thread on brexit perhaps if you find it actually does affect you personally or in your business and not in some notional way like global currency markets throwing a tantrum because they backed the dead cert favourite and got it wrong. You can do this if it's good or bad, but hopefully related to electronics and not partisan politics.

I would think the rule for General Chat should be much like the chats we have at work or perhaps at the pub. Brexit was an issue at the time - worthy of discussion - but we have moved on. If people keep carrying on with that stuff in the office then they are in the "nutter" category.  :-DD
The Brexit thing is ongoing and continuously changing, so no, it's nowhere near run its course.

I work at a company which does testing, mostly for defence but also commercial sectors and it does get public funding. The UK's decision to leave the EU will affect us. Not immediately but some time in the future. At the moment the political instability in Turkey is more of an issue for us as some of our customers are Turkish.

I would prefer not to start a thread to discuss this, as I prefer to keep my presence here anonymous and don't want to reveal too much about where I work.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: MK14 on July 22, 2016, 11:09:08 pm
The Brexit thing is ongoing and continuously changing, so no, it's nowhere near run its course.

I work at a company which does testing, mostly for defence but also commercial sectors and it does get public funding. The UK's decision to leave the EU will affect us. Not immediately but some time in the future. At the moment the political instability in Turkey is more of an issue for us as some of our customers are Turkish.

I would prefer not to start a thread to discuss this, as I prefer to keep my presence here anonymous and don't want to reveal too much about where I work.

There is a big difference between saying (hypothetically), the special ultra high frequency, very low noise transistors, which are vital to our product line, and manufactured in Turkey, may become unavailable. Help me please ?
Which is probably fine by Dave's guidelines.

But discussing the possible "troubles/instability" in Turkey, would just be another political thread, with the dangers, as mention by myself and others, of going out of control and might need significant moderation efforts.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: jitter on July 23, 2016, 06:18:00 am
Agreed, this is a technical forum, not a political forum. Surely there are political forums (or should that be "fora"?) around that those that feel the need to discuss political subjects can turn to?
The EEVblog just isn't one of them...
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on July 23, 2016, 07:34:21 am
The thread had indeed run its course and was unbelievably civil considering the topic but ultimately it had stopped being very useful. For all the people not wanting to have seen it at all I do have to point out that the FTDI gate thread was not much more useful as little of it concentrated on electronics it was about the morals of a company who happened to be making electronics and was not about their products or how to use them. But the FTDI gate thread was allowed to go on and on and I received far more reports on it per page count than I did on the brexit topic. But ultimately the topic had to be locked as it was becoming superfluous and severely deviating from its original topic. I think we had to have the topic because otherwise it would just be something that would have broken into other threads if it had been suppressed immediately. We've all had our say, now we can carry on with electronics. As has been said above the situation is hardly over as there is a lot of turmoil in this country at the moment and heaven knows how our various industries are going to be affected.

Again for all of those who hated it and didn't want to see it well don't look at it. If we all got our say about which thread we don't want to see and therefore should be removed there would be no forum left even fully electronic stuff.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: dunkemhigh on July 23, 2016, 10:41:55 am
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Surely there are political forums (or should that be "fora"?) around that those that feel the need to discuss

Sure there are, but the people involved in the discussion here aren't going to up sticks and go over there (registering an account, etc) just to post a pithy two-liner. Just as a bunch of blokes down the pub aren't going to walk over to the council building to bang on about council stuff, and then take as stroll along the river to whine about shopping trollies being tipped in the canal, etc.

Like it or not, this is a community and people tend to discuss all sorts of things with they acquaintances. It is actually like a busy cafe or pub in the science museum. Everyone is there for technical reasons, but they have a diverse range of views on everything.

What you're suggesting is that this place turns into a library - any noise not strictly necessary for the main purpose is forbidden. So instead of people looking forward to coming here to interact with like minded techies and geeks, they will drift to other places where they can have such things and enjoy themselves.

The problems with allowing that isn't that the place gets diluted or that non-techies roll up to discuss mumsnet rubbish, but that the discussions get heated and people fall out, hold grudges, etc. Seems Simon and Dave have a handle on that, so why should there be a problem. As people keep saying, no-one is forcing you to read the stuff (I haven't, and it affects me).
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: jitter on July 23, 2016, 11:12:41 am
Quote
Surely there are political forums (or should that be "fora"?) around that those that feel the need to discuss

Sure there are, but the people involved in the discussion here aren't going to up sticks and go over there (registering an account, etc) just to post a pithy two-liner. Just as a bunch of blokes down the pub aren't going to walk over to the council building to bang on about council stuff, and then take as stroll along the river to whine about shopping trollies being tipped in the canal, etc.

Hah, good point.

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Like it or not, this is a community and people tend to discuss all sorts of things with they acquaintances. It is actually like a busy cafe or pub in the science museum. Everyone is there for technical reasons, but they have a diverse range of views on everything.

What you're suggesting is that this place turns into a library - any noise not strictly necessary for the main purpose is forbidden. So instead of people looking forward to coming here to interact with like minded techies and geeks, they will drift to other places where they can have such things and enjoy themselves.

You're reading more into my remark than I meant to say. I'm not suggesting anything other than that those that feel the need to discuss political topics in depth may look elsewhere. I'm not saying that the odd remark about this or that political should be banned on this forum, but lengthy political threads IMHO don't suit a forum like this.

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The problems with allowing that isn't that the place gets diluted or that non-techies roll up to discuss mumsnet rubbish, but that the discussions get heated and people fall out, hold grudges, etc. Seems Simon and Dave have a handle on that, so why should there be a problem. As people keep saying, no-one is forcing you to read the stuff (I haven't, and it affects me).

Oh, I have had my say in the Brexit thread, and then I walked away from it weeks ago. But it is no surprise to me that the moderators decided to put a lid on it, and I fully support their decision.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: MK14 on July 23, 2016, 11:15:07 am
There might be some ways a political sub-forum could be created.

Something like the "sponsors only" part of the forum.

Only allow people to enter the political forum, if they have at least 50 or 100 posts, which will minimize multi-accounting.
Maybe even make it 'request to get allowed to use it' in the first place. So that people who want to just ignore it, can.

If they cause trouble, they get banned just from the political sub-forum board. There might be some people who could volunteer to be mods, again just for the political sub-forum.

But overall, I still think it is best to not have it. It seems to potentially bring out the worst in people, sooner or later.

On the other hand, in the current climate, there are a significant number of major changes, potentially coming up in Western life.
Such as Turkeys troubles, possible Trump getting into power, and messing things up, and an apparently ever increasing risk of terrorism in the West, especially in Europe at the moment and of course Brexit and maybe other EU countries who decide to leave.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on July 23, 2016, 11:39:11 am
I wouldn't object to a separate forum with entry restrictions. but it's not my forum. It should also not be google indexed though.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Zero999 on July 23, 2016, 12:17:35 pm
The Brexit thing is ongoing and continuously changing, so no, it's nowhere near run its course.

I work at a company which does testing, mostly for defence but also commercial sectors and it does get public funding. The UK's decision to leave the EU will affect us. Not immediately but some time in the future. At the moment the political instability in Turkey is more of an issue for us as some of our customers are Turkish.

I would prefer not to start a thread to discuss this, as I prefer to keep my presence here anonymous and don't want to reveal too much about where I work.

There is a big difference between saying (hypothetically), the special ultra high frequency, very low noise transistors, which are vital to our product line, and manufactured in Turkey, may become unavailable. Help me please ?
Which is probably fine by Dave's guidelines.

But discussing the possible "troubles/instability" in Turkey, would just be another political thread, with the dangers, as mention by myself and others, of going out of control and might need significant moderation efforts.
In the case the trouble in Turkey effects us because some of our customers might not be able to visit the UK to carry out the test or could even be in prison or dead as a result of the trouble there.

I wouldn't object to a separate forum with entry restrictions. but it's not my forum. It should also not be google indexed though.

Well I did suggest moving it to the Supporters' lounge but Dave was concerned that some of those who have posted in it will no longer be able to respond to any criticism aimed at them.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on July 23, 2016, 12:22:22 pm



Well I did suggest moving it to the Supporters' lounge but Dave was concerned that some of those who have posted in it will no longer be able to respond to any criticism aimed at them.

It's something that would need to start over there, yes if it's "transplanted" later it will just cause more problems. If we were to have a section it would have to be dedicated and with access limits and any topic started outside of it that belongs in it will be deleted or moved and people will know from the rules that they would loose a right to reply if they start it outside the correct section if they don't have access to it.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: MK14 on July 23, 2016, 12:54:57 pm
I wouldn't object to a separate forum with entry restrictions. but it's not my forum. It should also not be google indexed though.

That's exactly what I meant, as well. That by entry restricting it, it would not be google indexed. Although a robots.txt file, should help as well, by instructing search engines to ignore that sub-forum.

In the case the trouble in Turkey effects us because some of our customers might not be able to visit the UK to carry out the test or could even be in prison or dead as a result of the trouble there.

The thing is that is a good example of something which is both a bonafide electronics and political type of thread. So if political threads end up continuing to be discouraged, then I guess you can't discuss it.

If there are no political threads, then stuff like that will not be on this forum. I guess. Unless it is considered specific enough, to be mildly political enough to be acceptable ?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Smokey on July 24, 2016, 10:54:22 pm
... If an EEVBlog Brexit thread shows up as the #1 google hit for Brexit that would be a HUGE revenue boost.  This isn't just a place for us to waste time, this is a business that needs to feed 4 people now.
Only complete sellouts would like to see their specialised technical website suddenly get immensely popular for a complete other reason, like politcs, SM bondage, cats with a Hitler moustache, A new TV series, or a Japanese flower contest.

I genuinely believe is was only closed because percentwise it became too havy.

You missed the part where my point was that thread was in "General Chat" and was in no way diluting the specialized technical website discussions...

::EDIT::
ps... http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/31/article-1371854-0B6ABB3400000578-707_634x898.jpg (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/31/article-1371854-0B6ABB3400000578-707_634x898.jpg)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Mr.B on August 01, 2016, 04:10:10 am
Good afternoon Mods...

Spammer alert: User sama2
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?area=showposts;u=122439 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?area=showposts;u=122439)

Spamming video promotions or some such.
Registered nine minutes ago.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: PA0PBZ on August 09, 2016, 08:19:26 pm
EDAC Electronics spamming the forum, posting the same msg in 7 different categories.
Trying to report this I get "The last topic report from your IP was less than 240 seconds ago. Please try again later."
Yeah right, I'm NOT going to wait 7 *4 minutes to report all msgs...  :-//
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Macbeth on August 10, 2016, 12:13:52 am
EDAC Electronics spamming the forum, posting the same msg in 7 different categories.
Trying to report this I get "The last topic report from your IP was less than 240 seconds ago. Please try again later."
Yeah right, I'm NOT going to wait 7 *4 minutes to report all msgs...  :-//

I believe you are under no obligation to either.  :palm:
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Kilrah on August 10, 2016, 07:15:24 am
And it makes no sense to either, just report one, the mod will of course check that poster's other messages, see it's all spam and delete everything in one go.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on August 10, 2016, 07:20:48 am
And it makes no sense to either, just report one, the mod will of course check that poster's other messages, see it's all spam and delete everything in one go.

Yep, that's what we usually do.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: PA0PBZ on August 10, 2016, 07:22:56 am
Yeah, I guess you guys are right, never mind...
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Brumby on August 23, 2016, 02:47:46 am
The long delay between reports will be to slow down someone who wants to go on a reporting spree and just cause havoc.

Mods don't need or deserve that sort of aggravation.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on August 23, 2016, 03:51:15 am
The long delay between reports will be to slow down someone who wants to go on a reporting spree and just cause havoc.

Yes. A former banned user who sham remain nameless wrote a bot to cause havoc on the forum before, so that one could easily be abused.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Delta on August 23, 2016, 10:15:05 am
The long delay between reports will be to slow down someone who wants to go on a reporting spree and just cause havoc.

Yes. A former banned user who sham remain nameless wrote a bot to cause havoc on the forum before, so that one could easily be abused.

He who like big ASCII phalluses?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on August 23, 2016, 11:30:47 am
Does it matter ?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Delta on August 23, 2016, 11:58:12 am
Does it matter ?

No, I was just being nosy.  Please don't ban me, oh Great One.  I offer my most humble apologies, Your Highness. Etc.....
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on August 23, 2016, 11:58:46 am
what ?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Wuerstchenhund on August 30, 2016, 05:39:55 pm
Today I reported an offending post made by a certain member (who has track record of 'following' me) in a thread in the Test Equipment forum. The post was subsequently removed which is great.  :-+

However, i now found that my own post has been removed as well, despite containing nothing offensive, sarkastic, or in any other way controversial (unless pointing out that 'mHz' is't the same as 'MHz' is now verboten on EEVblog forum). So why was my post (which has been partially quoted by others) removed as well?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on February 08, 2017, 12:21:30 am
Heads up.
An old time troll has surfaced yet again.
Originally "GlossyWhite" back in 2011, then "iamwhoiam", "Wintendo", "asskong", "rolandpenplotter" and now came back as switchedmodepowersupply" / "switchedmodepsu"
He is also known as "Unlokia" with a Youtube channel of the same name and has been blocked commenting by several electronics Youtube channels that he frequents.
Watch out, he might be back.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on February 10, 2017, 06:32:55 am
Heads up.
An old time troll has surfaced yet again.
Originally "GlossyWhite" back in 2011, then "iamwhoiam", "Wintendo", "asskong", "rolandpenplotter" and now came back as switchedmodepowersupply" / "switchedmodepsu"
He is also known as "Unlokia" with a Youtube channel of the same name and has been blocked commenting by several electronics Youtube channels that he frequents.
Watch out, he might be back.

He's back again under the name "Anfang". 6 years and still won't give up creating new accounts  :palm:
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: gnif on February 10, 2017, 07:40:44 am
The bug that was preventing IP blocking has been fixed, this guy has now been IP banned, 20 addresses in total.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on February 17, 2017, 05:34:14 am
Heads up.
An old time troll has surfaced yet again.
Originally "GlossyWhite" back in 2011, then "iamwhoiam", "Wintendo", "asskong", "rolandpenplotter" and now came back as switchedmodepowersupply" / "switchedmodepsu"
He is also known as "Unlokia" with a Youtube channel of the same name and has been blocked commenting by several electronics Youtube channels that he frequents.
Watch out, he might be back.

He's back again under the name "Anfang". 6 years and still won't give up creating new accounts  :palm:

And he's back, and back again as "stargonjie" and "avrishuvorlaz"
Please everyone be on the lookout for him again, he doesn't look like he'll stop. A telltale sign is attacking me in some way, and posting dozens of posts the same day as joining.
Seems to have a infinite supply of IP's.
You might know him as "Unlokia" on Youtube.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: gnif on February 22, 2017, 07:05:22 am
Seems to have a infinite supply of IP's.
You might know him as "Unlokia" on Youtube.

He is using anonymizing proxies, this time it was www.anonymouse.org (http://www.anonymouse.org) who publish their entire IP block which I have now banned.

Code: [Select]
inetnum:        193.200.150.0 - 193.200.150.255
netname:        Anonymouse

Edit: He also used ZenGuard (Aka: ZenMate), same service, different company, also now entirely blocked.

Code: [Select]
inetnum:        185.182.81.0 - 185.182.81.255
netname:        Zenguard-DE
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on August 29, 2017, 11:00:15 pm
FYI, user Wuerstchenhund is now banned.
There have just been too many constant reports about him over the years.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on March 21, 2018, 11:34:08 pm
MCStestequipment has been banned for sockpuppeting. They are also users "RigolOnline", "AntonyYatesy" and "TestGeek"
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on July 31, 2019, 01:55:49 pm
FYI, two companies in as many days have been banned for having astrotrufing accounts.
Feeltech and RD Tech
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: bitseeker on July 31, 2019, 05:37:36 pm
Wow, RD Tech again? Those guys are relentless.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on July 31, 2019, 06:09:29 pm
They seem to think Dave showing their stuff is some sort of green light to spam maybe.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Muttley Snickers on July 31, 2019, 06:53:19 pm
FYI, two companies in as many days have been banned for having astrotrufing accounts.    Feeltech and RD Tech

This might also be relative.    :o ::)

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?u=189284 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?u=189284)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: bitseeker on July 31, 2019, 07:12:48 pm
Yes, FeelElec is the new name for FeelTech.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on August 01, 2019, 01:40:48 am
They seem to think Dave showing their stuff is some sort of green light to spam maybe.

Yep, and we've had this dozens of times. Even paying advertisers on the forum and website have spammed and set up astroturfing accounts which have gotten them banned.
And if you try and explain to them they don't get it, they apologise profusely but then keep on doing it.
Unfortunately the only way to send a real message (and help prevent them doing this on other forums too) is to ban all their accounts.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Bud on August 01, 2019, 02:55:41 am
You are too thin-skinned for a person who writes software and sells it for 30 years.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: nigelwright7557 on August 01, 2019, 06:08:56 am
You are too thin-skinned for a person who writes software and sells it for 30 years.

No, just too stupid to realise when the "flame you, let you get nasty, then get you banned" brigade are out.
Its the standard "ego trip" to bring down an expert.
I have been on forums since 2000 so know the trick very well.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on August 01, 2019, 07:58:50 am
You are too thin-skinned for a person who writes software and sells it for 30 years.

No, just too stupid to realise when the "flame you, let you get nasty, then get you banned" brigade are out.
Its the standard "ego trip" to bring down an expert.
I have been on forums since 2000 so know the trick very well.

Pro tip: Your posts are not helping you in any way.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: nigelwright7557 on August 01, 2019, 05:41:30 pm
Pro tip: Your posts are not helping you in any way.

Its hard to stay calm when people start telling lies about your software simply to start a flaming war.
Its just mind games.
I am happy to stay a member of the forum but wont be adding to that particular thread any more.
The forums loss as I have 28 years experience in PCBCAD software.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: tautech on August 06, 2019, 03:36:43 am
Major forum BUG
Most anything you do returns this site:
https://jlcpcb.com/v
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: gnif on August 06, 2019, 03:46:54 am
Thanks, fixed, seems Dave left out a closing 'a' tag :)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on August 06, 2019, 03:47:04 am
Major forum BUG
Most anything you do returns this site:
https://jlcpcb.com/v

TEST
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on August 06, 2019, 03:47:43 am
Thanks, fixed, seems Dave left out a closing 'a' tag :)

Oops, yeah, updated the ad code.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Zucca on August 06, 2019, 06:22:00 am
If you are in the mood of fixing the forum, there is a low prio bug still there:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/suggestions/eevblog-forum-site-have-a-bug-with-high-resolution-monitor/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/suggestions/eevblog-forum-site-have-a-bug-with-high-resolution-monitor/)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: AF6LJ on August 22, 2019, 03:41:31 pm
Thank You for keeping this place free from those folks Dave, I don't post here too often but I am always pleased how orderly this place is, and how polite people here are.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Bud on August 31, 2019, 03:55:51 am
Is it my tablet's Android or country flags under posters' names  are doubled?

Edit: sorry just noticed that the Mods are already aware.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Halcyon on September 02, 2019, 01:30:12 am
Country flags are now appearing twice for all users.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on September 02, 2019, 02:09:50 am
Country flags are now appearing twice for all users.

Yep, I screwed the pooch. I think it will need a manual code hack to fix now.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: tautech on February 21, 2020, 09:54:12 pm
What's happened to blueskull ?  :-//
Banned flag ....well sort of below his avatar.
Requested or temporary ?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on February 21, 2020, 10:06:32 pm
What's happened to blueskull ?  :-//
Requested or temporary ?

Temporary.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Monkeh on February 21, 2020, 10:20:40 pm
What's happened to blueskull ?  :-//

What always happens to blueskull?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on February 21, 2020, 10:57:19 pm
giving a couple of days to mull over the fact that unlike in china having a political opinion that differs from the government is not to be a traitor. He'll be back soon probably as bad as before!
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on February 21, 2020, 11:08:48 pm
What's happened to blueskull ?  :-//
What always happens to blueskull?

We try to discourage political discussion on this forum as much as possible, but it does eventually happen.
But when someone continues to do it, and in an inflammatory way despite repeated warnings, sooner or later we have to stop it. 12,000 posts is going to cut you more slack than a newbie with a dozen posts, but it ultimately isn't going to save you.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: hwj-d on February 21, 2020, 11:46:20 pm
Dave, this isn't meant to be a new political discussion, just a rhetorical contribution to the general understanding. So much is happening on the geopolitical tablet that we can certainly talk about upheavals of historical dimensions. A lot of people are just scared and don't understand what's happening. Hopefully not so many valuable accounts will be lost. Resulting disputes go too quickly "ad hominem", that shouldn't happen, that's the real but seemingly unavoidable problem.

Thank's for your patience and good work.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on February 22, 2020, 09:26:01 am
Dave, this isn't meant to be a new political discussion, just a rhetorical contribution to the general understanding. So much is happening on the geopolitical tablet that we can certainly talk about upheavals of historical dimensions. A lot of people are just scared and don't understand what's happening. Hopefully not so many valuable accounts will be lost. Resulting disputes go too quickly "ad hominem", that shouldn't happen, that's the real but seemingly unavoidable problem.

Thank's for your patience and good work.

The reason we discourage politics as much as both of us love to talk about the subject ourselves is that it is a quasi religion for many. A sensible open minded discussion would not be a problem but when someone has to violently challenge the slightest hint at something that they disagree with it means that any tiny comment becomes a huge flame war. That is why we discourage politics because some can have a debate and accept that others think differently and agree to disagree others have to go on a mission to put everyone right on what "they" "think" is the truth.

You will note that in actual fact many a thread while not started as political has turned political once the starting topic was dealt with and it remained and was allowed to happen because users were polite and did not rage at one another like children over the slightest hint of something they disagree with.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Ed.Kloonk on February 22, 2020, 09:26:45 am
Politics is everywhere. We need to get with the times. Dancing around the truth only drives people other than the normies away from a platform.

Denying political discussion is your right. But you are riding a dinosaur.

Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on February 22, 2020, 09:42:41 am
Perhaps you should read my post again, then try to take part in a thread that is a shouting match over who's lie is the truth. You really have no idea what it is like to moderate political stuff without throwing the baby out with the bath water. This is an electronics forum, not face book. alternatively to do it your way we start banning people which won't go down well either apparently. Which one do you prefer?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: thinkfat on February 22, 2020, 09:48:42 am
I hope you shot mechatrommer, too? Wouldn't be fair otherwise.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Karel on February 22, 2020, 10:20:05 am
Talking about politics on this forum should be avoided. I have never seen coming any good from it.
Besides, there are many other places where you can discuss politics. No need to do it here.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on February 22, 2020, 10:27:02 am
I hope you shot mechatrommer, too? Wouldn't be fair otherwise.

If you don't mind we decide what is fair and we are the ones that get the reports. We know very well who is worse and is also a bit of a pain.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on February 22, 2020, 10:39:25 am
Politics is everywhere. We need to get with the times. Dancing around the truth only drives people other than the normies away from a platform.
Denying political discussion is your right. But you are riding a dinosaur.

Allowing unnmoderated political discussion on a technical forum is forum suicide. I've seen forums destroyed because of it.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Ed.Kloonk on February 22, 2020, 10:39:54 am
Perhaps you should read my post again, then try to take part in a thread that is a shouting match over who's lie is the truth. You really have no idea what it is like to moderate political stuff without throwing the baby out with the bath water. This is an electronics forum, not face book. alternatively to do it your way we start banning people which won't go down well either apparently. Which one do you prefer?

I read your post again, as suggested. It is inflammatory to say that I have no idea. We are both looking for the right way forward. PM if you want, since I hate having to mince my words. Otherwise, all good.

 8)

Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Brumby on February 22, 2020, 10:41:11 am
Politics is everywhere. We need to get with the times. Dancing around the truth only drives people other than the normies away from a platform.

Denying political discussion is your right. But you are riding a dinosaur.
:palm:

Perhaps you should read my post again,
I would suggest more than once.

Quote
then try to take part in a thread that is a shouting match over who's lie is the truth.
This is difficult for some - getting caught up in the shouting match is an easy trap.
(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/moderation-reports/?action=dlattach;attach=936346;image)

Quote
You really have no idea what it is like to moderate political stuff without throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Moderation done properly is not easy.  I speak from my experience as a Mod on another forum.  Criticism against Mods is usually because (a) the complainants do not understand the issues (including the fact that they do not know all the details and that they are not entitled to that information) or (b) the Moderators are poorly suited to the role.  The latter does not apply here - and I am more than happy with the way it is.

Quote
This is an electronics forum, not face book. alternatively to do it your way we start banning people which won't go down well either apparently. Which one do you prefer?
Refer to my previous comment.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Ed.Kloonk on February 22, 2020, 10:43:31 am
Politics is everywhere. We need to get with the times. Dancing around the truth only drives people other than the normies away from a platform.
Denying political discussion is your right. But you are riding a dinosaur.

Allowing unnmoderated political discussion on a technical forum is forum suicide. I've seen forums destroyed because of it.

Trying not to put too finer point on it..
But my question is, in the last few years, the political awareness of the average random, is that still the case?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Ed.Kloonk on February 22, 2020, 10:44:11 am
Politics is everywhere. We need to get with the times. Dancing around the truth only drives people other than the normies away from a platform.

Denying political discussion is your right. But you are riding a dinosaur.
:palm:

Perhaps you should read my post again,
I would suggest more than once.

Quote
then try to take part in a thread that is a shouting match over who's lie is the truth.
This is difficult for some - getting caught up in the shouting match is an easy trap.
(https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/moderation-reports/?action=dlattach;attach=936346;image)

Quote
You really have no idea what it is like to moderate political stuff without throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Moderation done properly is not easy.  I speak from my experience as a Mod on another forum.  Criticism against Mods is usually because (a) the complainants do not understand the issues (including the fact that they do not know all the details and that they are not entitled to that information) or (b) the Moderators are poorly suited to the role.  The latter does not apply here - and I am more than happy with the way it is.

Quote
This is an electronics forum, not face book. alternatively to do it your way we start banning people which won't go down well either apparently. Which one do you prefer?
Refer to my previous comment.

Look mum!

A forum mod dick waving contest!

Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Brumby on February 22, 2020, 10:44:46 am
I read your post again, as suggested. It is inflammatory to say that I have no idea.
I'll phrase my response this way....

If you were to be a Mod here, the place would suffer.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Brumby on February 22, 2020, 10:45:18 am
Look mum!

A forum mod dick waving contest!

Q.E.D.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Ed.Kloonk on February 22, 2020, 10:46:20 am
Look mum!

A forum mod dick waving contest!

Q.E.D.

When an argument fails, quote Latin.

 :-+
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on February 22, 2020, 10:50:36 am
Politics is everywhere. We need to get with the times. Dancing around the truth only drives people other than the normies away from a platform.
Denying political discussion is your right. But you are riding a dinosaur.
Allowing unnmoderated political discussion on a technical forum is forum suicide. I've seen forums destroyed because of it.
Trying not to put too finer point on it..
But my question is, in the last few years, the political awareness of the average random, is that still the case?

I don't care, political discussions will be discouraged and moderated on this forum. If you don't like that then you can choose not to use this forum.
I've heard that Whirlpool is fun.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Brumby on February 22, 2020, 10:51:05 am
When an argument fails, quote Latin.

 :-+

What failure?

Q.E.D. encapsulates the situation perfectly.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on February 22, 2020, 10:52:44 am
Perhaps you should read my post again, then try to take part in a thread that is a shouting match over who's lie is the truth. You really have no idea what it is like to moderate political stuff without throwing the baby out with the bath water. This is an electronics forum, not face book. alternatively to do it your way we start banning people which won't go down well either apparently. Which one do you prefer?

I read your post again, as suggested. It is inflammatory to say that I have no idea. We are both looking for the right way forward. PM if you want, since I hate having to mince my words. Otherwise, all good.

 8)



OK, I will explain it for you. You are acting as though we deny the mere existence of politics and to speak of it is suicide. Right under a post I wrote stating that some political discussion does happen and is fine but we can't have all out political debate. So again, re read my post!
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Ed.Kloonk on February 22, 2020, 11:09:59 am
None of you three gentlemen can seem to understand my point, going forward.

And that's OK. I need to articulate my opinion more betterer. Like one of two opposing muppets in a thread arguing opposing views, it seems unlikely that I can convey my point without receiving a volley of shit for it.

No worries.

Carry on.

 :-+


Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on February 22, 2020, 11:18:39 am
And that's OK. I need to articulate my opinion more betterer. Like one of two opposing muppets in a thread arguing opposing views, it seems unlikely that I can convey my point without receiving a volley of shit for it.

You fail to understand, you don't get a say in how the forum is moderated.
As for your politics views, you just had to bring it up in a thread on STEM education in schools, just stop it. You are building yourself up to the point of doing it so often that we won't cut you any slack in the future.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Ed.Kloonk on February 22, 2020, 11:22:50 am
And that's OK. I need to articulate my opinion more betterer. Like one of two opposing muppets in a thread arguing opposing views, it seems unlikely that I can convey my point without receiving a volley of shit for it.

You fail to understand, you don't get a say in how the forum is moderated.
As for your politics views, you just had to bring it up in a thread on STEM education in schools, just stop it. You are building yourself up to the point of doing it so often that we won't cut you any slack in the future.

Roger that.

Thanks for point that out.

I was thinking that I'm copping a lot more stick than I am dishing out, but there you go.

All good. Take care.

Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: apelly on February 22, 2020, 11:30:01 am
All good.
I am significantly less frequent than I used to be, but how has this troll hijacked the thread about trolls?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: thinkfat on February 22, 2020, 01:15:22 pm
I hope you shot mechatrommer, too? Wouldn't be fair otherwise.

If you don't mind we decide what is fair and we are the ones that get the reports. We know very well who is worse and is also a bit of a pain.

I don't mind. But I see what I see and I say what I say.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on February 22, 2020, 01:30:08 pm
mechatrommer does not launch into several consecutive posts taking apart everything everyone said contradicting them with extreme ideology. Just trying to keep up with blueskull is a serious matter of effort. Much easier to permanently ban but we try to be fair all round. If you like it's a permanent ban for one and a temporary for the other! Make of it what you will.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Ed.Kloonk on February 22, 2020, 01:36:25 pm
It seems like an alternative reality.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on February 22, 2020, 01:37:43 pm
suit yourself. You choose to be here!
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Ed.Kloonk on February 22, 2020, 01:39:42 pm
I cannot believe that is really your attitude.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on February 22, 2020, 01:44:32 pm
i cannot beleive that you are trolling a serious discussion.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Ed.Kloonk on February 22, 2020, 01:48:14 pm
Insulting by presumption with higher than though smugness when I did ask for some candor. Calling me a troll. Wow, man.

Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on February 22, 2020, 01:50:49 pm
You got candor now you question everything. We have been open and honest about what we do and why but nothing keeps you happy. Don't like it, well what do you want us to do. How would you do it?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on February 22, 2020, 01:53:24 pm
Insulting by presumption with higher than though smugness when I did ask for some candor. Calling me a troll. Wow, man.

FFS Ed, stop it, just stop it. I'd ban you from this thread if I could, but the system doesn't allow that.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Ed.Kloonk on February 22, 2020, 01:54:54 pm
Insulting by presumption with higher than though smugness when I did ask for some candor. Calling me a troll. Wow, man.

FFS Ed, stop it, just stop it. I'd ban you from this thread if I could, but the system doesn't allow that.

Ok. Got it. See ya.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: tautech on February 22, 2020, 01:59:57 pm
mechatrommer does not launch into several consecutive posts taking apart everything everyone said contradicting them with extreme ideology.
Extreme ?  :-//
Since when is defending your way of life and homeland extreme ideology ?

Why is it we judge a member by their flag ?
Recent events in history naturally promote xenophobia when the real history of most countries would make you think twice about them, their race and ideology.
Not one race is exempt of wrongdoing and their attempts to defend it and opinions only reflect on which side of the fence you sit. Mods included.

There is ALWAYS 2 sides to the story. Ask Solomon.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: thinkfat on February 22, 2020, 02:34:36 pm
mechatrommer does not launch into several consecutive posts taking apart everything everyone said contradicting them with extreme ideology.
Extreme ?  :-//
Since when is defending your way of life and homeland extreme ideology ?

Why is it we judge a member by their flag ?
Recent events in history naturally promote xenophobia when the real history of most countries would make you think twice about them, their race and ideology.
Not one race is exempt of wrongdoing and their attempts to defend it and opinions only reflect on which side of the fence you sit. Mods included.

There is ALWAYS 2 sides to the story. Ask Solomon.

I'd rather there wasn't any fence lest we needn't choose a side.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: tautech on February 22, 2020, 02:40:49 pm
mechatrommer does not launch into several consecutive posts taking apart everything everyone said contradicting them with extreme ideology.
Extreme ?  :-//
Since when is defending your way of life and homeland extreme ideology ?

Why is it we judge a member by their flag ?
Recent events in history naturally promote xenophobia when the real history of most countries would make you think twice about them, their race and ideology.
Not one race is exempt of wrongdoing and their attempts to defend it and opinions only reflect on which side of the fence you sit. Mods included.

There is ALWAYS 2 sides to the story. Ask Solomon.

I'd rather there wasn't any fence lest we needn't choose a side.
But there unfortunately is. We're humans and can't help ourselves but take a side.
Discussion helps until those that enter it are offended by what the read on a screen.

They need be told to travel, and widely.  ;)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on February 23, 2020, 10:20:57 am
mechatrommer does not launch into several consecutive posts taking apart everything everyone said contradicting them with extreme ideology.
Extreme ?  :-//
Since when is defending your way of life and homeland extreme ideology ?

Why is it we judge a member by their flag ?
Recent events in history naturally promote xenophobia when the real history of most countries would make you think twice about them, their race and ideology.
Not one race is exempt of wrongdoing and their attempts to defend it and opinions only reflect on which side of the fence you sit. Mods included.

Careful Tautech.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on February 23, 2020, 10:25:04 am
I'd rather there wasn't any fence lest we needn't choose a side.

How about you all just follow the rules and don't talk about politics?
I'm serious, it will only be tolerated so far, and if you do talk politics then you run the risk of eventually being banned from this forum. So don't complain if you push the boundaries and you get banned. And like I said, a big post count isn't going to save you, I have banned the 2nd highest poster on the forum before.
I don't care about the "but I didn't start it" excuses either.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Kjelt on February 23, 2020, 10:30:40 am
For petesake it is an ee forum.
The same **** happens on other forums i come. It never goes wrong on the main topic the forum was founded on like here electronics.
It always goes wrong in the afterhours topics and almost always it is religion, politics or competing fans from sportclubs that get it going.
Why? Because you can not discuss a persons beliefs and you should not, at least not on a ee forum IMO.

The mods here are very tolerant, IMO they should just delete any religious or political post right away.
Now back to electronics  :)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on February 23, 2020, 10:40:58 am
The mods here are very tolerant, IMO they should just delete any religious or political post right away.

That's an option, but we don't (and can't) read every post and thread on the forum, so we have to rely on reports, or if we just happen to see it. I do that myself if someone just keeps doing it after being told to stop. And as I mentioned people just keep using the "but I didn't start it" excuse, or "you deleted my post but not the other persons", or they just have to have the last word etc. If you find your message magically gone, tough tits, you'll know why.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: blueskull on February 23, 2020, 10:54:11 am
Dogs that bark don't bite. Dogs that bite don't bark.

I just reported Weston and his connection to his partner's Chinese political father who got locked up in a Chinese jail to Chinese national security agency.

Next time I see a reasonably offensive post against China, I'll just dox Google the poster and turn him and his connections in China to the Chinese government and not post a thing.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on February 23, 2020, 11:10:47 am
Next time I see a political post regarding China, I'll just dox the poster and turn him and his connections in China to the Chinese government and not post a thing.

You just had a 7 day ban and the first thing you do when you come back is say you are going to dox posters? Wow.
You are heading head long into a permanent ban.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Fraser on February 23, 2020, 12:02:55 pm
Blimey !

I tend to “hang out” in the thermal imaging sub-forum these days so miss all this political stuff happening.

Thankfully those interested in thermal imaging seem less inclined to talk politics and national beliefs. They do get frustrated by the various regulations applied to the distribution and capabilities of such technology but we tend stay clear of bashing another forum members country or political beliefs.

To me it would be sad to ‘fall out’ with someone because of their nationality or political beliefs. Sure I have to be careful what I share with people on this public forum but in general we get on very well together on the thermal forum and operate in the spirit of mutual help and support. Politics has a very nasty habit of getting in the way of friendships and sadly they can suffer as a result. It is best to keep politics out of technical discussions unless there is a very specific reason such as explaining the ITAR and Wassenaar Agreement to someone unaware.

I have said it before and I will say it again here. The EEVBlog is a most excellent platform for high quality discussions with very knowledgeable people. Politics can be a very divisive topic and does not belong here, just as when scientists from politically opposed countries work together for the greater good and leave politics parked at the lab entrance.

Fraser
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Fraser on February 23, 2020, 12:19:22 pm
Blueskull,

You post a lot up of interesting material and normally seem friendly in the posts that I have seen.

Your last post here saddens me though. My background is in the world of international Diplomacy and I covered China as one of my regions. Hearing someone say that they will report people to their Government for what they say on this forum is nothing short of extreme and is a very good reason in itself for this forum to discourage political postings.

Informing on people with a differing political view can be a particularly unpleasant life choice. Throughout history such a ‘spying neighbour’ policy has belonged in highly oppressive regimes that use fear of those around you as a means of control. Please think carefully about making such threatening statements as it really does not show you in a good light. No one likes a political informer, not even their Government handlers !

Let’s stay away from politics and remain ‘friends’ on this forum eh :)

Fraser
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: blueskull on February 23, 2020, 12:40:42 pm
Hearing someone say that they will report people to their Government for what they say on this forum is nothing short of extreme and is a very good reason in itself for this forum to discourage political postings.

I hope you got a chance to read Weston's post before it was deleted.

He literally said his partner's father was locked in a Chinese jail for political reasons, which raises perfect doubt that he could still have political connections in China.
And he was cheeky enough to ask me if I have internal knowledge of the jail his contact was locked at.
Either he was trolling badly or he was trying to recruit me for internal information. Please give me a reason not to report him.

I'm not stupid enough to report a plain troll. If I ever report Mechatrommer or jake411, I would literally hate myself.
Weston is different. His posting pattern and certain posts gave me confidence beyond a reasonable doubt.

I bet you will do the same thing if you see a long time poster against UK posting he will make "big news" in London and sounding legit.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Fraser on February 23, 2020, 12:47:51 pm
Blueskull,

I did not see the post by this Weston person. I only saw your comment on this thread and in isolation it seemed worrying and out of character for you. Hence my comment. As I said I want to remain friends on this forum and I do not delve into people’s political beliefs for that reason.

If the posting on this forum gave you concerns regarding a persons motives and potential threat to your fellow citizens or country, you are right to raise those concerns with the appropriate authorities. Sadly your post appeared to read as if you would report anyone who spoke out about your countries politics and beliefs. That did seem a little extreme. I apologise if I read more into the post than was intended when you wrote it.

Fraser
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: blueskull on February 23, 2020, 12:51:56 pm
If the posting on this forum gave you concerns regarding a persons motives and potential threat to your fellow citizens or country, you are right to raise those concerns with the appropriate authorities. Sadly your post appeared to read as if you would report anyone who spoke out about your countries politics and beliefs. That did seem a little extreme. I apologise if I read more into the post than was intended when you wrote it.

Yup, I just realized the stupid verbiage. And of course, I don't own Chinese government. If I reported an innocent person, they won't do a thing.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on February 23, 2020, 12:54:57 pm
Your last post here saddens me though. My background is in the world of international Diplomacy and I covered China as one of my regions. Hearing someone say that they will report people to their Government for what they say on this forum is nothing short of extreme and is a very good reason in itself for this forum to discourage political postings.

Not will, he already bragged that he has reported a forum member to the government.
I think I can be fairly confident in predicting that Blueskull is not going to last on this forum much longer, he just can't help himself.
Instead of just come back from the ban and keep his head down, he's come out swinging.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on February 23, 2020, 12:56:58 pm
Yup, I just realized the stupid verbiage. And of course, I don't own Chinese government. If I reported an innocent person, they won't do a thing.

Blueskull, just stick to electronics, you have been warned (not the first time). Do not post in this thread again.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: tautech on February 23, 2020, 09:53:55 pm
mechatrommer does not launch into several consecutive posts taking apart everything everyone said contradicting them with extreme ideology.
Extreme ?  :-//
Since when is defending your way of life and homeland extreme ideology ?

Why is it we judge a member by their flag ?
Recent events in history naturally promote xenophobia when the real history of most countries would make you think twice about them, their race and ideology.
Not one race is exempt of wrongdoing and their attempts to defend it and opinions only reflect on which side of the fence you sit. Mods included.

Careful Tautech.
I'm very much trying to be Dave and been here long enough not to envy the moderators knife edge of making decisions about posts, moderation and bans without even a hint of personal bias brought about by their personal views or past dealings with any particular member. I'm well aware reports of posts bring about a workload mods can well do without except in cases where a newish member hasn't made some valuable contribution to the forum.
The loss of some members and their past valuable contributions however does sadden me.

We well know politics enters into many threads and I personally hate it too as there's no need for cheap shots against any member or their country be they arise from recent or historical events.
However the restraint or lack of from any member reacting to gibes shouldn't be the mods main focus IMO but those that throw the first stone like some misguided reflection of their national pride or their governments brainwashing.

Despite having you lock an Armistice Day thread I started I now appreciate exactly why you did as it could've turned into a shitstorm too. Really I should've known better, sorry.  :-[
Personally I'd like to see threads that have the potential to go political get locked very promptly with a closing note from mods simply stating it's an OT thread for an electronic forum just like you did in the Armistice Day thread which sends a very clear message to members.

None of us need for this 'no politics' debate to continually go round and around like some perpetual motion machine so how can you send a stronger "no debate, this is just how it is" message ?
Could we members do more to give mods the 'heads up' when threads of this nature open ?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: tggzzz on February 23, 2020, 10:39:15 pm
Appealing, but any algorithm can be gamed :(

In this case a malefactor could drop in and cause a thread to be locked - one form of a denial of service attack.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on February 23, 2020, 10:40:11 pm
Personally I'd like to see threads that have the potential to go political get locked very promptly with a closing note from mods simply stating it's an OT thread for an electronic forum just like you did in the Armistice Day thread which sends a very clear message to members.

Political threads should not be set up in the first place, and there are very few of them. Therefore most threads that "have the potential to turn political" didn't start out with that intention. So locking otherwise potentially on-topic threads, whilst being a signal to those who turned it political, it also harms all those others who wanted to discuss the actual topic.

I'm more inclined to just delete political posts instead of locking threads, that sends a message to the instigators whilst keeping the thread on-topic and open for others.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on February 23, 2020, 10:41:07 pm
Appealing, but any algorithm can be gamed :(
In this case a malefactor could drop in and cause a thread to be locked - one form of a denial of service attack.

I have a feeling that some people get a kick out of getting a thread locked.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: I wanted a rude username on February 23, 2020, 10:59:41 pm
That's likely. Reddit used to have a problem with users competing to get the most negative account karma, until they capped it at -100 (https://www.reddit.com/r/help/comments/66mpbl/negative_karma_cap/). Some people get frustrated with not being noticed for positive contributions and aim for negative ones instead ... and that is arguably easier.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Weston on February 24, 2020, 12:19:30 am
It's really unfortunate that I am having a forum member threatening to dox me and claiming he reported me to the Chinese government after telling me he hopes my partners father rots in jail. This seems way beyond what is acceptable behavior.

I simply asked if blueskull had any more info on the Coronavirus outbreak in Shandong province as that is where my partners father is most likely being detained after being disappeared. Blueskull had previously mentioned there was an outbreak of coronavirus in the prison system there.

Luckily, doxing is an empty threat. I have no intention of stepping foot in mainland China under the current political system and I stand by everything I have said. I post my own work under my own name and have nothing to hide.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: tautech on February 24, 2020, 12:21:01 am
I'm more inclined to just delete political posts instead of locking threads, that sends a message to the instigators whilst keeping the thread on-topic and open for others.
Sure, and properly appropriate if both the stone thrower and stone returner get the same treatment.

One post gets reported and yet it's missed what caused that post to be made and then be reported.
Like I mentioned a few posts back, there is always 2 sides to a story.

Do you think you need more moderators to spread the load ?

That's likely. Reddit used to have a problem with users competing to get the most negative account karma, until they capped it at -100 (https://www.reddit.com/r/help/comments/66mpbl/negative_karma_cap/). Some people get frustrated with not being noticed for positive contributions and aim for negative ones instead ... and that is arguably easier.
And exactly the reason why Dave only enabled Thanks a few years back.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on February 24, 2020, 12:57:16 am
Sure, and properly appropriate if both the stone thrower and stone returner get the same treatment.
One post gets reported and yet it's missed what caused that post to be made and then be reported.
Like I mentioned a few posts back, there is always 2 sides to a story.

I don't care if there are two sides, if a post gets reported and it's not appropriate then it risks getting deleted, or more if the person has a history of doing it.
Don't want your political post deleted? Don't post it.
Do not react to other people's posts, it's a pretty simple concept, yet some people just can't help themselves.
This is not a moderated TV political debate where we have to give equal time to each debater.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: tautech on February 24, 2020, 01:09:21 am
OK Dave thanks for engaging on this to date. I have further thoughts which I could share in private if you wish rather than further clutter up this thread.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on February 24, 2020, 01:43:58 am
OK Dave thanks for engaging on this to date. I have further thoughts which I could share in private if you wish rather than further clutter up this thread.

Sorry, but I'm not interested in any private discussion on this. You are just one of thousands of possible opinions, and if I engage you I have to engage a thousand others.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: tautech on February 24, 2020, 02:14:25 am
OK Dave thanks for engaging on this to date. I have further thoughts which I could share in private if you wish rather than further clutter up this thread.

Sorry, but I'm not interested in any private discussion on this. You are just one of thousands of possible opinions, and if I engage you I have to engage a thousand others.
OK, thanks. We'll keep it here or in the Moderation thread in the Supporters lounge.
Some is a bit delicate so there still just might be a PM at some time with a FYI.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: vk6zgo on February 24, 2020, 04:47:51 am
I'm more inclined to just delete political posts instead of locking threads, that sends a message to the instigators whilst keeping the thread on-topic and open for others.
Sure, and properly appropriate if both the stone thrower and stone returner get the same treatment.

One post gets reported and yet it's missed what caused that post to be made and then be reported.
Like I mentioned a few posts back, there is always 2 sides to a story.

Indeed,  but this forum, & QRZ.com are a lot more easy going than many.

Over on Whirlpool.com, you can have posts removed if you try to straighten out a previous poster's factual error in a series of previously apparently moderator immune "Off topic" posts.

The brand enthusiasts on the "internet providers" & "automotive" sub fora run rampant, but don't you dare use the term "fan-boi"!

The worst of all, however is the sports site "The Roar", where, if you post something contrary to the narrative the majority are pushing, it just "disappears".
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Do you think you need more moderators to spread the load ?

That's likely. Reddit used to have a problem with users competing to get the most negative account karma, until they capped it at -100 (https://www.reddit.com/r/help/comments/66mpbl/negative_karma_cap/). Some people get frustrated with not being noticed for positive contributions and aim for negative ones instead ... and that is arguably easier.
And exactly the reason why Dave only enabled Thanks a few years back.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Weston on February 25, 2020, 06:34:09 am
I have thought about the original incident over the past day and must admit, I am at least at part in fault and for that I apologize. The question if asked to most of the other posters would have been benign and I was hoping to get some insight, but given Blueskull's strong nationalist feelings I could have at least predicted the likely response.

That incident is now in the past, but I would like to bring attention to Blueskull's threat to report me and others to the CCP if they make comments putting China in a bad light. I, and others in the west, might find the concept a bit laughable, but he obviously finds it serious. If you do not know what happens to those in China who speak out against the CCP, look it up. He is threatening what he sees as real harm to me and others if we step foot in China.

I get that he has a much older account than me and has contributed more, but is there really some threshold at which you allow someone to make threats to others in the community?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on February 25, 2020, 07:05:51 am
I get that he has a much older account than me and has contributed more, but is there really some threshold at which you allow someone to make threats to others in the community?

Never had it happen before.
Technically, he said he wouldn't publicly dox or post on this forum, and there is no personal threat from him, so  :-//
Personally I think it's a really dick move, and in my book puts him ever closer to getting banned permanently.

And yes, you are right, in the west this (relatively common) benign threat of "I'm calling the cops" just gets laughed away.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: rsjsouza on March 01, 2020, 08:53:21 pm

One post gets reported and yet it's missed what caused that post to be made and then be reported.
Like I mentioned a few posts back, there is always 2 sides to a story.
Tautech, I think I see the mods' POV: each individual only has control over oneself, not over others. Counteracting every dissonant POV or attack is the entire responsibility of the poster and no one else. If more followed this, the stupid US metric thread would have fizzled 40 pages ago, but it kept going though the actions of a troll playing others like a fiddle.

And yes, I have swallowed my pride and walked away from threads many times before simply because it wasn't worth it.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: hwj-d on March 01, 2020, 10:33:08 pm

One post gets reported and yet it's missed what caused that post to be made and then be reported.
Like I mentioned a few posts back, there is always 2 sides to a story.
Tautech, I think I see the mods' POV: each individual only has control over oneself, not over others. Counteracting every dissonant POV or attack is the entire responsibility of the poster and no one else. If more followed this, the stupid US metric thread would have fizzled 40 pages ago, but it kept going though the actions of a troll playing others like a fiddle.

And yes, I have swallowed my pride and walked away from threads many times before simply because it wasn't worth it.
The difficulty is, who is the troll. There can be 10 trolls against 1 who is fighting for the right thing. It's called group dynamics, or bullying. It's always easier for an admin to take the one out of the game. This does not serve the truth, which was the fundamental part of the discourse. Even you don't know whether the one against the ten others doesn't rather speak the truth against a quantitative superiority.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: rsjsouza on March 01, 2020, 11:26:10 pm

One post gets reported and yet it's missed what caused that post to be made and then be reported.
Like I mentioned a few posts back, there is always 2 sides to a story.
Tautech, I think I see the mods' POV: each individual only has control over oneself, not over others. Counteracting every dissonant POV or attack is the entire responsibility of the poster and no one else. If more followed this, the stupid US metric thread would have fizzled 40 pages ago, but it kept going though the actions of a troll playing others like a fiddle.

And yes, I have swallowed my pride and walked away from threads many times before simply because it wasn't worth it.
The difficulty is, who is the troll. There can be 10 trolls against 1 who is fighting for the right thing. It's called group dynamics, or bullying. It's always easier for an admin to take the one out of the game. This does not serve the truth, which was the fundamental part of the discourse. Even you don't know whether the one against the ten others doesn't rather speak the truth against a quantitative superiority.
I am referring to a person's ability to own its own actions, not an endless pursue of "the truth". After all, the justification I quoted read to me that a ban may be unfair if someone is provoked and feels that has no alternative other than respond and argue. My point is there is. Walk away and do not engage, regardless of how hurt your pride is (or your country's or your whatever). If you have facts, present them and disengage. Yeah, it is easier said than done. Bullies and trolls exhibit narcisistic and psychopath traits that cannot be dealt in writing and by random people on the internet. Leave the discussion and deflate the power they are trying to exert over you.

Also, I'd wager that a significant part of derailed threads there's no way to know "the truth" - it is surely true for the example I mentioned (US metric) or the political/sociological debates. This makes moderation quite difficult.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: hwj-d on March 02, 2020, 12:19:39 am
I think we are actually talking about different experiences. It's up to you, what to do with your own. It will not be possible to derive a globally valid rule from yours, not more than one proposal of goodness.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: tautech on March 02, 2020, 01:17:13 am

One post gets reported and yet it's missed what caused that post to be made and then be reported.
Like I mentioned a few posts back, there is always 2 sides to a story.
Tautech, I think I see the mods' POV: each individual only has control over oneself, not over others. Counteracting every dissonant POV or attack is the entire responsibility of the poster and no one else. If more followed this, the stupid US metric thread would have fizzled 40 pages ago, but it kept going though the actions of a troll playing others like a fiddle.
Understood and agree in principle, however how moderators deal with this is not always consistent and there's other discussions happening about this currently happening. That we can discuss this is great but it does feel like airing our dirty laundry in public as Dave has made it quite clear he doesn't want to engage in discussions about this privately.


We can't see what's happening behind the moderation scenes however banned members I've had the opportunity to contact outside EEVblog have disclosed moderation experiences that are below the standard I have experienced and if 100% true, substandard and not in the forums best interests hence the comments I make about there being 2 sides to the story.

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And yes, I have swallowed my pride and walked away from threads many times before simply because it wasn't worth it.
Yes when in a thread and there's little to be achieved by continued participation it's the best solution for ones sanity  however when injustice is seemingly done it's becoming increasingly difficult not to mention it.

We can only hope some points discussed here get taken onboard.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on March 02, 2020, 03:05:02 am
Also, I'd wager that a significant part of derailed threads there's no way to know "the truth" - it is surely true for the example I mentioned (US metric) or the political/sociological debates. This makes moderation quite difficult.

And in most cases it's a waste of time even trying. This forum has always tried to be a "lead by example" type self moderation. If you think a thread has gone off topic, then don't complain about it, don't mention it, don't report it, just post something back on topic. Very often all it takes is one on-topic post again and people get back on track talking about that thing again.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on March 02, 2020, 03:14:45 am
Understood and agree in principle, however how moderators deal with this is not always consistent and there's other discussions happening about this currently happening. That we can discuss this is great but it does feel like airing our dirty laundry in public as Dave has made it quite clear he doesn't want to engage in discussions about this privately.

And the reason for that is very obvious. This forum has 10's of thousands of members, all with very different ideas on how moderation should happen. Yet some people think I should engage them privately on this, because they have the answers, where the thousands of others do not  ::)
Same reason I don't answer personal technical email inquiries any more, it would suck my life away.
The forum has been operating pretty well for a decade now regardless of what some people think. Life isn't always fair or consistent.

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We can only hope some points discussed here get taken onboard.

You speak for absolutely no one else but yourself.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: carloserodriguez on March 04, 2020, 12:31:53 am
It's very simple.  Just don't reply them.

As for quality? Well remember if you are not buying from the brand or from a licensed supplier, then you are likely buying parts that are rejects which might work if you don't operate at the margins.
 Low cost parts are probably operational but not in spec. So only buy if you know the operating mode is in the middle.
 You can not blame them. Technically you are supporting illegal parts.  LOL.
 They are gettting you cheap parts that you can use but must assume operating range will be in the middle at best.

If you are lucky, they might be stolen Prime parts.

 If you want spec parts you have to buy from licensed suppliers.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Wuerstchenhund on March 04, 2020, 12:25:02 pm
I'm not sure if the Mods/Admins are aware but there seems to be a (technical, not content-related) problem with one of the threads in the Test Equipment forum:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds5104x-disappointing/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds5104x-disappointing/)

The page ends at reply #17, later all subsequent replies are not visible as isn't the bottom part with the ad that's visible on other thread's pages.

First I thought it's just a problem with my browser but then I noted that Tom66 noted that this seems to be a forum bug.

Other threads I looked at seemed to be fine but this weren't many so there may well be other threads affected by this.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Brumby on March 04, 2020, 12:59:30 pm
Have seen this a couple of times before on SMF.  We had one here a while back and I notified Dave, who tried to chase it down, but it was elusive.

It only affects that particular page.  Go to the next page and it's ok.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: nctnico on March 04, 2020, 01:01:51 pm
Seems to have to do with damaged images.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: tautech on March 04, 2020, 08:25:24 pm
I'm not sure if the Mods/Admins are aware but there seems to be a (technical, not content-related) problem with one of the threads in the Test Equipment forum:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds5104x-disappointing/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds5104x-disappointing/)

The page ends at reply #17, later all subsequent replies are not visible as isn't the bottom part with the ad that's visible on other thread's pages.

First I thought it's just a problem with my browser but then I noted that Tom66 noted that this seems to be a forum bug.

Other threads I looked at seemed to be fine but this weren't many so there may well be other threads affected by this.
Yeah I broke it with a damaged PNG file.  :palm:
Already notified the mods and given them the file name and I can see it in my uploaded attachments but there's no way to delete it I can see.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: vk6zgo on March 05, 2020, 05:20:37 am
Back on topic, how many people have had a "run in" with nix85?

He epitomises the type of poster who pops up, asking a question, only to tell those answering that they are wrong, & don't know what they are talking about.

In the  meantime, everybody has wasted time they will never get back, just because they tried to be helpful.

I don't mind being contradicted by someone who knows as much, or more, than me, but when the person presenting as lacking knowledge does so, I wonder why he doesn't just go to some other site where misinformed folk can swap incorrect information & slap each other on the back.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Gyro on March 07, 2020, 09:39:47 am
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I can see now that Simon's "Click Me" was a work in progress.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: angrybird on March 07, 2020, 03:04:25 pm
This simon guy is shilling his own website in every post and clearly finding every reason to post while doing it...  This is a bad look...
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Bud on March 07, 2020, 03:11:08 pm
....said the guy whose 2 puppet accounts were banned.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: angrybird on March 07, 2020, 03:14:12 pm
I don't know what a puppet account is...  I made the shiller mad and he banned one account, I had 2 more bird accounts that were clearly mine, I wasn't trying to hide, is that a puppet account?  This is a moderation thread anyway, please...
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Kilrah on March 07, 2020, 05:06:36 pm
There is no reason for having multiple accounts on a forum unless it's for trolling... which we see proven here.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Cerebus on March 07, 2020, 06:15:43 pm
There is no reason for having multiple accounts on a forum unless it's for trolling... which we see proven here.

Well, there is. Had the forum rules of "one account only" not prohibited it, I would have created, just for a gag, a second account 'bd140' just to (openly) joke at bd139 by saying things that were complementary (but not necessarily complimentary) to what he was saying.  >:D
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Cerebus on March 07, 2020, 06:22:43 pm
Then how do you post when a shilling mod is banning every account you make as soon as he suspects it is you?  I've created hundreds of accounts on this site over the years.  I rarely use any account for more than a few months, this is how you keep entities from selling your information.  You use a burner email address, make an account (or group of accounts themed, like birds! Or spaceships! Etc  ;D) and use them for a while and then dump them. 

Watch this, the shill mod will ban this account, even though I am being polite and all that means is I will make another account next time I want to post  :-DD

You seem to have been creating these accounts, not to evade commercial surveillance, but because you're a trouble maker who is deliberately trying to evade the mechanisms, both technical (of the forum) and social ("Oh, it's what 'is name. He's a worthless, shit stiring tit so we'll all ignore him"), that moderate discourse here. I mean, if you haven't the courage of your convictions to have what you say associated with your name (be it pseudonymous) then it's open to others to conclude that you really haven't anything to say worth listening to.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: dunkemhigh on March 07, 2020, 06:41:12 pm
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Watch this, the shill mod will ban this account, even though I am being polite

I would suggest that using insulting descriptors isn't being polite. Even if true (and I have no idea either way) it is being deliberately provocative to describe him thus.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Cerebus on March 07, 2020, 06:46:42 pm
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Watch this, the shill mod will ban this account, even though I am being polite

I would suggest that using insulting descriptors isn't being polite. Even if true (and I have no idea either way) it is being deliberately provocative to describe him thus.

Well, describing Simon as a 'shilling mod' is also unfair, he's worth at least 10/6d.  :)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: dunkemhigh on March 07, 2020, 07:01:44 pm
Cheap at twice the price.

Or something.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: chris_leyson on March 07, 2020, 07:29:45 pm
He's worth at least 10/6 3/4d if you remember farthings.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: tautech on March 07, 2020, 08:06:31 pm
Then how do you post when a shilling mod is banning every account you make as soon as he suspects it is you?  I've created hundreds of accounts on this site over the years.  I rarely use any account for more than a few months, this is how you keep entities from selling your information.  You use a burner email address, make an account (or group of accounts themed, like birds! Or spaceships! Etc  ;D) and use them for a while and then dump them. 

Watch this, the shill mod will ban this account, even though I am being polite and all that means is I will make another account next time I want to post  :-DD
What else do you expect as a new member coming here and slagging the moderators ?  :-//
You hardly set a good example for other members to follow.

Play nice, refrain from politics, treat others with respect and keep OT (electronics is much preferred) and mods will leave you in peace.
It ain't that hard or your stay here again will be short.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Cerebus on March 07, 2020, 08:20:30 pm
As far as using your real name... On the internet?  Really?

Nobody suggested that you ought to do that. You choose to deliberately misinterpret what has been said to you so that you can act the victim.

It's quite clear from your posts of the last 24 hours alone that you are not merely stating your opinions politely. You've been trying to pick fights. You derailed a discussion on compliance certification that was nothing about China (it was started by a Canadian interested in exporting) into yet another China bashing thread. Then made a gratuitous remark about China and Taiwan here:

Disagree on the china manufacturing quality, though.  My experience with chinese quality is that it has become more consistent, but not better.  I am excluding Taiwan from this because Taiwan is not china; Taiwan quality has been decent for some time and has definitely gotten better over time.  I have quite a bit of experience trying to teach chinese engineers and my impression is that there is no actual design that takes place in mainland china  :-DD

knowing that it would provoke a response from our resident, well known Chinese nationalist. And when your backside got a moderatorial kicking, you immediately created a new account thus:

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Don't try and sound as if butter wouldn't melt in your mouth. If that isn't an example of deliberate trouble making then I don't know what is. You are not the victim here, don't try and pretend that you are. You are fooling nobody.

You've been through what, three accounts today? You're like a bloke that the barkeep has kicked out who comes back with a false moustache, gets kicked out again, nips home, borrows his mum's frock and tries to sneak in again - while still doing the thing he got kicked out for. A sane man would go home, take the ridiculous frock off, sober up and perhaps come back when enough time had elapsed that the barkeep is prepared to give them a second chance. Give it a rest, you're beginning to make yourself look a bit pathetic.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on March 07, 2020, 10:34:29 pm
Then how do you post when a shilling mod is banning every account you make as soon as he suspects it is you?  I've created hundreds of accounts on this site over the years.  I rarely use any account for more than a few months, this is how you keep entities from selling your information.  You use a burner email address, make an account (or group of accounts themed, like birds! Or spaceships! Etc  ;D) and use them for a while and then dump them. 

Watch this, the shill mod will ban this account, even though I am being polite and all that means is I will make another account next time I want to post  :-DD
What else do you expect as a new member coming here and slagging the moderators ?  :-//
You hardly set a good example for other members to follow.

Play nice, refrain from politics, treat others with respect and keep OT (electronics is much preferred) and mods will leave you in peace.
It ain't that hard or your stay here again will be short.

It all started because he had to have a china versus the west argument. Nothing at all to do with me but he got offended that yet again he was stirring it up and being told not to. I don't get the shilling thing, he is completely irrational. He can't win one thing so has to invent another to complain about.

He also does not seem to realize that it's not me versus him. Every time he opens a new account and annoys people I get a report. He probably won't accept that he is annoying plenty of people on here.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Muttley Snickers on March 07, 2020, 10:52:05 pm
You should do away with the silly exclamation mark thing !, and and put back the Banned banner, otherwise people won't get the message nor the permanent reminder that they are no longer welcome here.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on March 07, 2020, 10:55:02 pm
Dave though it was not a good look for newcomers where new members arrive and happen on posts by banned people. We have people that are great for a long time and make lots of posts then go off their head and get banned. That can leave a lot of posts around with "BANNED" on them.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on March 07, 2020, 11:05:22 pm
I don't know what a puppet account is...  I made the shiller mad and he banned one account, I had 2 more bird accounts that were clearly mine, I wasn't trying to hide, is that a puppet account?  This is a moderation thread anyway, please...

We do not tolerate multiple accounts here, never have.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: I wanted a rude username on March 07, 2020, 11:06:50 pm
not a good look for newcomers where new members arrive and happen on posts by banned people

Or even non-members, who might be dissuaded from joining. I would normally not agree with this kind of whitewashing, but this forum has many incoming links and probably the majority of people will first encounter it via one of those ... frequently to discussions that took place years ago.

Anyway, the meaning of the icon is sufficiently clear.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on March 07, 2020, 11:10:20 pm
You should do away with the silly exclamation mark thing !, and and put back the Banned banner, otherwise people won't get the message nor the permanent reminder that they are no longer welcome here.

As Simon mentioned, I don't think it's a good look to new people to show a big "BANNED" banner next to messages. This is not an overly moderated forum, and I don't want new comers (who often come from highly moderated forums). And if we have to ban a member with thousands of messages (it happens sometimes unfortunately) then that's thousands of messages with "BANNED" next to them.
So the exclamation mark is there so experienced members know they have been banned, but not off-putting for newbies.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Halcyon on March 07, 2020, 11:12:14 pm
You should do away with the silly exclamation mark thing !, and and put back the Banned banner, otherwise people won't get the message nor the permanent reminder that they are no longer welcome here.

As Simon mentioned, I don't think it's a good look to new people to show a big "BANNED" banner next to messages. This is not an overly moderated forum, and I don't want new comers (who often come from highly moderated forums). And if we have to ban a member with thousands of messages (it happens sometimes unfortunately) then that's thousands of messages with "BANNED" next to them.
So the exclamation mark is there so experienced members know they have been banned, but not off-putting for newbies.

Agreed. The last thing you want is this place turning into another Whirlpool with a large number of users suspended due to over-zealous moderation (or at least the perception of that).
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: tautech on March 07, 2020, 11:15:55 pm
Then how do you post when a shilling mod is banning every account you make as soon as he suspects it is you?  I've created hundreds of accounts on this site over the years.  I rarely use any account for more than a few months, this is how you keep entities from selling your information.  You use a burner email address, make an account (or group of accounts themed, like birds! Or spaceships! Etc  ;D) and use them for a while and then dump them. 

Watch this, the shill mod will ban this account, even though I am being polite and all that means is I will make another account next time I want to post  :-DD
What else do you expect as a new member coming here and slagging the moderators ?  :-//
You hardly set a good example for other members to follow.

Play nice, refrain from politics, treat others with respect and keep OT (electronics is much preferred) and mods will leave you in peace.
It ain't that hard or your stay here again will be short.

It all started because he had to have a china versus the west argument. Nothing at all to do with me but he got offended that yet again he was stirring it up and being told not to. I don't get the shilling thing, he is completely irrational. He can't win one thing so has to invent another to complain about.

He also does not seem to realize that it's not me versus him. Every time he opens a new account and annoys people I get a report. He probably won't accept that he is annoying plenty of people on here.
Yes I know, I've been watching too and we've exchanged emails about this and IMO you have more than patient with this new/old member that apparently shows little respect for the forum or you.
Once asked nicely publically and via PM's, blatant public disrespect of you or other mods should be a ban. Period.
That you may have some squabble in PM's or emails doesn't impact on the forum so should be given more slack IMO.
But bring it back to the forum and it's bye bye birdie goodbye !

Good luck Solomon.  ;)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Halcyon on March 08, 2020, 03:45:39 am
What about when the mod is disrespectful to begin with?  If you throw something in my face, I will throw it back.  If you want to ask something nicely, I will be nice back.  It's pretty simple...

If you disagree with the moderation, take it up with that mod in private. Don't turn it into an argument in public. Keep in mind, it's impossible to keep everyone happy, all the time.

As far as multiple accounts, when an account gets permanently banned, and you create another, I don't think that is multiple accounts.

You need to come to terms with the fact that as long as this is a public forum, you cannot ban someone, they just create another account.  I can understand agressively trying to prevent someone from using a forum if they are a total jerk and causing mayhem or damage to the forum, but what did I do?  Disagree with a mod?  And this results in instant ban as soon as he suspects it is me?

Circumventing a ban by creating a secondary account is deemed multiple accounts. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Moderators temporarily or permanently ban users for a good reason and those reasons are set down by Dave (the owner of this forum). If you are told something by Dave or a moderator, then accept that as the rules of the forum. Users here have it pretty easy. This is one of the least moderated forums on the internet, particularly for the number of active users it has.

At the end of the day, if you're unhappy with the decision of a moderator or your dislike what someone says in public, sleep on it, accept the difference of opinion and move on. It's an argument you won't win.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Halcyon on March 08, 2020, 03:57:36 am
I am not trying to argue.  Just trying to contibute.

I didn't suggest you were trying to argue. I should be more clear: My responses weren't directed at you, they were directed at the wider audience. When I referred to "you" I meant the reader.

I see no reason to ban or censor someone for such an opinion, it makes no sense unless you sympathize with that genocide.  That's all.

Because this is an Electronics forum and Dave has made it quite clear that occasional off-topic stuff is OK, but try to keep it on-track.

When threads start getting political, they almost always derail because some people can't help themselves and absolutely must have the last word. At some point a moderator has to step in to halt the snowball.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on March 08, 2020, 04:33:03 am
I love chinese people, I just believe their government is evil, and there is nothing wrong with that and I think that anyone who knows what is going on over there would understand and agree.  I see no reason to ban or censor someone for such an opinion, it makes no sense unless you sympathize with that genocide.  That's all.

Because this is an electronics forum, and we try and keep it electronics related, so we generally don't allow politics here. If you don't like that then you are free to not post here.
This is not the place to express such opinions or try to educate people on such matters. Again, if you don't like that, this is not the forum for you.
I have seen good forums destroyed because they let politics, religions, and gun talk get out of control, I will not let that happen here.
But even after warnings some people just cannot control themselves, and the only end result is they will get banned.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on March 08, 2020, 04:37:33 am
You need to come to terms with the fact that as long as this is a public forum, you cannot ban someone, they just create another account.  I can understand agressively trying to prevent someone from using a forum if they are a total jerk and causing mayhem or damage to the forum, but what did I do?  Disagree with a mod?  And this results in instant ban as soon as he suspects it is me?
Psh. 
Hi Simon  ;) ;) ;)

So you are a former member who got banned and created another anonymous account?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: tautech on March 08, 2020, 04:57:40 am
I totally get that but I don't think I was wasn't even talking about those things.  I was stating my opinion on the quality of china designed produts vs elsewhere designed products manufactured in china and the like.  Or something like that.  I can't remember.  Maybe it was off topic, and if that's the case I was certainly in the wrong but if I get on a tangent I'm usually pretty good about stopping that if someone points it out nicely.  Oh well.  I'll just keep trying to stay out of trouble, I like helping people understand things, especially newcomers to the industry  ;D
You are in the wrong generation !

In mine when we were young the Japs were the focus of the xenophobic jibes but would you direct jibes at them now.
Whatever gives you the right to determine if the way another country is run, nothing as you're nobody but a lone voice. No one's country is free from injustices to their people past and present.

Best you bugger off and find a forum where others think like you.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Halcyon on March 08, 2020, 04:57:55 am
That reminds me, tonight is bin night. Thanks Dave.

 :-+
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on March 08, 2020, 05:04:06 am
That reminds me, tonight is bin night. Thanks Dave.

It might be bin month, I'm losing track at how many accounts some angry bird can create.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: tautech on March 08, 2020, 05:05:55 am
That reminds me, tonight is bin night. Thanks Dave.

It might be bin month, I'm losing track at how many accounts some angry bird can create.
There might already be another.  ::)
Check latest members.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: tautech on March 08, 2020, 05:08:25 am
*shakes head, walks off*
Far I hope !
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: beanflying on March 08, 2020, 05:21:22 am
Do us a favour LimpLama go play somewhere else. You are not funny you are not amusing and creating new accounts when the old one is banned AGAIN is just creating work for Dave who has more than enough to attend to.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: BravoV on March 08, 2020, 05:26:07 am
That reminds me, tonight is bin night. Thanks Dave.

It might be bin month, I'm losing track at how many accounts some angry bird can create.

Looking at rate and timing those accounts were created, no matter at which timezone, he simply lost his sleep over this.  :-DD

I guess he is so agitated and dying for attention & recognition here in this foum, poor chap, must be really lonely life there.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: LivelyLlama on March 08, 2020, 05:29:39 am
That reminds me, tonight is bin night. Thanks Dave.

It might be bin month, I'm losing track at how many accounts some angry bird can create.

Looking at rate and timing those accounts were created, no matter at which timezone, he simply lost his sleep over this.  :-DD

I guess he is so agitated and dying for attention & recognition here in this foum, poor chap, must be really lonely life there.

How long does it take to create an account?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: beanflying on March 08, 2020, 05:30:59 am
Clearly your thick head doesn't understand the term Banned so instead you continue plead innocence until you very much are not.

Yes several of the members are likely sick of you being an annoying little Tit

(https://atropicalfishoutofwater.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/great-tit-pooing.jpg)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: beanflying on March 08, 2020, 05:35:37 am
Quit the Transference and blaming others YOU WERE BANNED for your behavior, are not the innocent and an attention seeking Crap producing Tit.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: LivelyLlama on March 08, 2020, 05:38:47 am
Yes I remember grade school there was lots of name calling, when are you graduating?

 :P :P :P
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on March 08, 2020, 05:44:10 am
How long does it take to create an account?

More time than it takes to ban one, I can assure you.
Everyone, we have a real persistent nut job here, it's like a half dozen new accounts now in a day.
Please report all new accounts that have the modus operandi of "angrybird"
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Mr. Scram on March 08, 2020, 05:45:35 am
Creating a new account and laying low is one thing, but creating a series of accounts and going out of your way to get every single one banned is another. Take a hint or at least calm yourself down.  ::)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: DigitalDinosaur on March 08, 2020, 05:46:43 am
How long does it take to create an account?

More time than it takes to ban one, I can assure you.
Everyone, we have a real persistent nut job here, it's like a half dozen new accounts now in a day.
Please report all new accounts that have the modus operandi of "angrybird"

Incorrect
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Mr. Scram on March 08, 2020, 05:50:38 am
Maybe flat out removing posts is a better idea as it eliminates the podium.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: BravoV on March 08, 2020, 06:13:22 am
How long does it take to create an account?

More time than it takes to ban one, I can assure you.
Everyone, we have a real persistent nut job here, it's like a half dozen new accounts now in a day.
Please report all new accounts that have the modus operandi of "angrybird"

angrybird clearly shows the intention from the beginning by creating multiple accounts before this bans begin. I suspect now he has hundreds of fake accounts with him, which is even more pathetic. 

Its like a spoiled, whiney kid that keep coming trying so hard to join the boys club, even have been harassed .. bullied.. punished again and again.  :-DD

We've seen this type (even 10x worst) too many already for decade maybe ?

He will be back for sure until he is bored and leave, or as usual that happened in the past, the magic power of this forum will eventually tame him  >:D, and will survive once he behaved in this forum like many "others" in the past.

Angrybird, if you're reading this, and believing that you're special, nope, we've been have fun & playing with your type for decade.  :-DD
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: tautech on March 08, 2020, 06:17:12 am
Maybe flat out removing posts is a better idea as it eliminates the podium.
Maybe, so should we take it here were it's somewhat private from newbies ?
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/supporters-lounge/moderation-reports-84488/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/supporters-lounge/moderation-reports-84488/)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: all_repair on March 08, 2020, 07:06:52 am
How long does it take to create an account?

More time than it takes to ban one, I can assure you.
Everyone, we have a real persistent nut job here, it's like a half dozen new accounts now in a day.
You got a tough job.  These people are trying to create a movement all over the place that they can find.  A giveaway is their funny logic that is not consistent and somewhat cleverly twisted. 
Keeping politics and religion out, and including one's own political and social systems out is the way, that include your believe and trust in the superiority of your own system.  Even if it is out of good intention.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Karel on March 08, 2020, 08:51:40 am
Would it be an idea to use two-factor authentication (for registering only) that uses an sms verification?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on March 08, 2020, 09:25:09 am
That's not an easy one to setup.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: MK14 on March 08, 2020, 09:27:33 am
Would it be an idea to use two-factor authentication (for registering only) that uses an sms verification?

That is a good idea.
But, I believe there are fairly easy ways of getting round SMS verification. If trolling users want to.
I.e. If they can work out how to get around IP bans, they can probably figure out how to get round SMS verification, as well.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on March 08, 2020, 09:47:41 am
Not sure you can get around SMS verification. That's the point and why banks use it, unless your haking the phone network and using other peoples numbers your stumped. The IP thing is easy, unplug your modem and plug it back in. Unless your on a fixed IP you will get another one. I had to do this when i was with the phone coop as one of the IP's in their pool was banned for email spamming. Once you have got all the IP's in your local pool blocked you move onto proxy's.

This is why those customer surveys at the end of the call when you phone a phone provider are a really bad idea and our screw you economy is creating security risks. Call handlers are rated and paid or even fired based on the survey results. So if you call up and don't have the right details you get nasty. The call handler fearing a bad review and loss of vital earnings lets you into the account whereupon you transfer the number to a new provider and address. SIM card turns up, you activate it and are now in control of your victims 2FA and empty their bank account. It's been done - in the UK. But that's the only way around it, to gain physical access to the number. But you need to have a service that sends SMS's worldwide. No sure that will be cheap.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: beanflying on March 08, 2020, 10:08:22 am
There is some more security measures that can be taken with the backend of SMF regarding new accounts but here maybe isn't the place to have this discussion.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: MK14 on March 08, 2020, 10:14:02 am
Not sure you can get around SMS verification.

If the forum, knows who the person really is. I.e. real life name and address, etc. Then you can confirm you have their correct phone number(s), and SMS verification, can be robust and secure. But that facility is available to organisations, rather than forums, so may not be a viable option, in practice.

But, if you don't know their real life details, then they can supply false phone numbers and hence get around the SMS verification. There are false numbers available, but which can still be used to confirm SMS verification.
I'm intentionally being vague as to how to get around it, to avoid revealing such details on the internet.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on March 08, 2020, 10:15:30 am
There is some more security measures that can be taken with the backend of SMF regarding new accounts but here maybe isn't the place to have this discussion.

Whatever method it is he either works a way around it or not, not much of a secret what it is once one is confronted with it on registration. the isi app 2FA, i don't know if that has to be personalized to the account or if you just register for the site in which case pointless in stopping people setting up multiple accounts. As the past has proven we have more tenacity than they do. A certain unmentionable member kept it up for a couple of years on Christmas day only to find me in wait to delete and ban. He has not bothered in years now.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on March 08, 2020, 10:18:06 am
Not sure you can get around SMS verification.

If the forum, knows who the person really is. I.e. real life name and address, etc. Then you can confirm you have their correct phone number(s), and SMS verification, can be robust and secure. But that facility is available to organisations, rather than forums, so may not be a viable option, in practice.

But, if you don't know their real life details, then they can supply false phone numbers and hence get around the SMS verification. There are false numbers available, but which can still be used to confirm SMS verification.
I'm intentionally being vague as to how to get around it, to avoid revealing such details on the internet.

It's effort and reward. Yes i was phoned by a scammer a few weeks ago pretending i had been caught in a road offence. I doubt the call was coming from the area the number indicated and they had a lot to gain from the scam.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: beanflying on March 08, 2020, 10:20:01 am
Like in all things a determined idiot will get by them but there is no need to telegraph those measures under consideration or taken in public.  :-//
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on March 08, 2020, 10:29:34 am
Well there is one thing worth telegraphing to this tit, I spend my working day in the UK at a computer with an eye on my emails. I then go home and spend my evenings and weekend on a computer. When I sleep 3 other moderators take over in Australia. What ever this guy does it only takes one report and he is history. Banning a user takes as long as it takes to load a couple of pages from the internet and we are moderated 24/7!

As much as this is exiting for forum users it's small beans in terms of moderating issues.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: beanflying on March 08, 2020, 10:49:18 am
Hardly exiting Simon I have been around forums, chat groups of various sorts for a long time since AOL was the WWW option of choice. I still own a couple of formally large yahoo groups that went to forums some years ago and two forums I still moderate on. This Tit is small potatoes compared with some I have dealt with over the years just more persistent than most.

Security related matters are a totally different thing and doing that in public be it company, business or even 'just a forum' isn't the best place to do it ever.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: beanflying on March 10, 2020, 05:42:32 am
From two days ago. Yep we clearly have no idea about you  ::)

The members list can show all new accounts in the order they were created. ilikeswedishfish is currently the latest.   ::)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: vk6zgo on March 10, 2020, 06:28:46 am
Hardly exiting Simon I have been around forums, chat groups of various sorts for a long time since AOL was the WWW option of choice. I still own a couple of formally large yahoo groups that went to forums some years ago and two forums I still moderate on. This Tit is small potatoes compared with some I have dealt with over the years just more persistent than most.

Security related matters are a totally different thing and doing that in public be it company, business or even 'just a forum' isn't the best place to do it ever.

You never figured out who I was, even after so many of my alts got banned over such a long period of time.  The incessantly nonsequitur arguments of you and other regulars combined with the general nastiness towards each other (and to many newcomers!) was why I stopped contributing in the first place.  Declare your enemy defeated and march away while they continue to post and converse right under your nose  ;) :P ;D

Why does this still entertain me...   :palm:
Small things amuse small minds...
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on March 10, 2020, 07:41:22 am
Hardly exiting Simon I have been around forums, chat groups of various sorts for a long time since AOL was the WWW option of choice. I still own a couple of formally large yahoo groups that went to forums some years ago and two forums I still moderate on. This Tit is small potatoes compared with some I have dealt with over the years just more persistent than most.

Security related matters are a totally different thing and doing that in public be it company, business or even 'just a forum' isn't the best place to do it ever.

You never figured out who I was, even after so many of my alts got banned over such a long period of time.  The incessantly nonsequitur arguments of you and other regulars combined with the general nastiness towards each other (and to many newcomers!) was why I stopped contributing in the first place.  Declare your enemy defeated and march away while they continue to post and converse right under your nose  ;) :P ;D

Why does this still entertain me...   :palm:
Small things amuse small minds...

Yup. So nice of him to out himself.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Halcyon on March 10, 2020, 08:17:36 am
Hardly exiting Simon I have been around forums, chat groups of various sorts for a long time since AOL was the WWW option of choice. I still own a couple of formally large yahoo groups that went to forums some years ago and two forums I still moderate on. This Tit is small potatoes compared with some I have dealt with over the years just more persistent than most.

Security related matters are a totally different thing and doing that in public be it company, business or even 'just a forum' isn't the best place to do it ever.

You never figured out who I was, even after so many of my alts got banned over such a long period of time.  The incessantly nonsequitur arguments of you and other regulars combined with the general nastiness towards each other (and to many newcomers!) was why I stopped contributing in the first place.  Declare your enemy defeated and march away while they continue to post and converse right under your nose  ;) :P ;D

Why does this still entertain me...   :palm:
Small things amuse small minds...

Yup. So nice of him to out himself.

Unfortunately, the thing he has yet to learn is that when you have people smarter than him constantly on his tail, it becomes extremely difficult to hide. The old "har har, I'm still here right under your nose" thing is complete bullshit, because if that were actually the case, he wouldn't need to go to so much time and effort to continuously create new accounts.

I'll at least give him credit where credit is due: He puts on a brave face every time, even though it's completely pissing him off and eating him up inside.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: tautech on March 10, 2020, 08:55:52 am
Yup. So nice of him to out himself.
What ?  :-//
Did you totally miss the conversations leading up to this ?
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/supporters-lounge/moderation-reports-84488/msg2956932/#msg2956932 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/supporters-lounge/moderation-reports-84488/msg2956932/#msg2956932)

Some of us had his number some days ago.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Zero999 on March 10, 2020, 09:30:45 am
Not sure you can get around SMS verification.

If the forum, knows who the person really is. I.e. real life name and address, etc. Then you can confirm you have their correct phone number(s), and SMS verification, can be robust and secure. But that facility is available to organisations, rather than forums, so may not be a viable option, in practice.

But, if you don't know their real life details, then they can supply false phone numbers and hence get around the SMS verification. There are false numbers available, but which can still be used to confirm SMS verification.
I'm intentionally being vague as to how to get around it, to avoid revealing such details on the internet.

It's effort and reward. Yes i was phoned by a scammer a few weeks ago pretending i had been caught in a road offence. I doubt the call was coming from the area the number indicated and they had a lot to gain from the scam.
SMS verification would also put off those who intend to remain anonymous for whatever reason and believe it or not, there are still some people who don't have a mobile phone. I recently went without one for a few months, because my old one broke and I didn't have the motivation to get a new one.

Hardly exiting Simon I have been around forums, chat groups of various sorts for a long time since AOL was the WWW option of choice. I still own a couple of formally large yahoo groups that went to forums some years ago and two forums I still moderate on. This Tit is small potatoes compared with some I have dealt with over the years just more persistent than most.

Security related matters are a totally different thing and doing that in public be it company, business or even 'just a forum' isn't the best place to do it ever.

You never figured out who I was, even after so many of my alts got banned over such a long period of time.  The incessantly nonsequitur arguments of you and other regulars combined with the general nastiness towards each other (and to many newcomers!) was why I stopped contributing in the first place.  Declare your enemy defeated and march away while they continue to post and converse right under your nose  ;) :P ;D

Why does this still entertain me...   :palm:
The sad thing is you do have the ability to be a valued contribute here, if you stop posting political and religious content. If someone makes a political statement or bashes a politician who you support, just press the report to moderator button, as they're breaking the rules. Whether or not they're inline with the views of the moderator/administrator, is immaterial: I've seen Simon delete political posts before, even though I'm pretty sure he agrees with them.

If you're hellbent on signing up for a new account again, wait for a week or so, learn from all of this and start a fresh, keeping your posts purely technical.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on March 10, 2020, 10:12:52 am
Yup. So nice of him to out himself.
What ?  :-//
Did you totally miss the conversations leading up to this ?
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/supporters-lounge/moderation-reports-84488/msg2956932/#msg2956932 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/supporters-lounge/moderation-reports-84488/msg2956932/#msg2956932)

Some of us had his number some days ago.

Yes i did. What makes moderation here work is the users. The forum sets it's own standards. Plus I feel much better banning someone that say's "har har here i am" than pure intuition alone. He obviously has alot of time to waste. In the past members that have been banned have rejoined but they have learnt their lesson and behaved and had the decency to not come the "har har i am still here". I don't mind that. We can all change. But people that want to continue to be disruptive will just continue to get banned.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on March 10, 2020, 11:37:54 am
Would it be an idea to use two-factor authentication (for registering only) that uses an sms verification?

The forum has a 2FA option, I use it myself, but it's not compulsory.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Fraser on March 10, 2020, 12:32:33 pm
I have been watching this thread for a while now and have been saddened by the behaviour of this individual who likes to create lots of accounts, only to get them banned. I never normally engage in such threads but on this occasion I would like to. We all remember the awful MJC incident and I would not wish to see it repeated so........

To the person who has effectively ‘gone to war’ with the moderators.......

Please stop for a moment, take a deep breath and think about your actions. Are they truly rational and normal behaviour ? I am casting no stones but from what I have been seeing in this thread, I am concerned for you. This situation appears to have spiralled out of control for you, but it can be stopped so easily if you just stop taunting the Moderators. I am aware that you have strong views on the moderation and you have a right to your views, however, you can likely contribute to this forum in a positive way and be part of the online ‘family’ that is the EEVBlog forum. Arguments occur in families, feelings get hurt, but most recover to normality and life goes on. Please consider parking your current crusade against this forums moderation and enjoy being a member of the best forum that I have ever been a part of. There is absolutely no reason why you cannot continue to be an active healthy member of this forum if you can just hold back in engaging in some discussions that involve ‘sensitive’ topics. It is not censorship, just a means to avoid arguments with people you do not even know, or likely care about.

I was going to pull back from this forum due to both my ongoing illness and the death of my father on Boxing Day 2019. Life has been pretty cr*ppy of recent. I did not do so because another forum member reminded me that this forum is like an extended family with whom I may engage on topics that make me happy in dark times. I encourage you to think of this forum in the same way and enjoy it, rather than putting on your virtual armour and going to war over something that truthfully is beyond our ability to change.

Take care of yourself and please consider what I have said. Be a friendly helpful member of this ‘family’.

Fraser
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Karel on March 10, 2020, 01:59:59 pm
Would it be an idea to use two-factor authentication (for registering only) that uses an sms verification?

The forum has a 2FA option, I use it myself, but it's not compulsory.

What about enforcing it (for registering only) to avoid problems with people who create multiple accounts?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: tggzzz on March 10, 2020, 02:22:21 pm
Would it be an idea to use two-factor authentication (for registering only) that uses an sms verification?

The forum has a 2FA option, I use it myself, but it's not compulsory.

What about enforcing it (for registering only) to avoid problems with people who create multiple accounts?

If the second factor is a phone, no thanks. I get too many spam SMS/calls as it is.

Yes, I know Dave wouldn't knowingly allow that, but before joining I knew very little about Dave and even so the italics are important!
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on March 10, 2020, 03:03:29 pm
2FA is security, not spam. You only get the SMS for logging in. that has been the case for for any of the several people i use 2FA with
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: dunkemhigh on March 10, 2020, 03:45:54 pm
Doesn't matter what it's meant to be for or actually used for. No-one I've just bumped into is going to get my phone number - having to change that is far FAR more serious than changing an email address, and I don't hand that out willy-nilly either. 2FA using a phone would be a great way to reduce the traffic on this forum, IMO.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: MK14 on March 10, 2020, 04:03:14 pm
To the person who has effectively ‘gone to war’ with the moderators.......

I would love to know the original incident, that has sparked this activity off (if applicable).
Was it a previously banned member, who got annoyed with the mod(s) ?
Or is it plain trolling, just for the sake of it ?

My gut feeling is that the original Angrybird account, seemed to be trolling us (in some form of fashion or other), right from the beginning. Even the user name "ANGRY" of "ANGRYbird", seems to hint at some annoyed member, somehow.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: tggzzz on March 10, 2020, 05:10:58 pm
2FA is security, not spam. You only get the SMS for logging in. that has been the case for for any of the several people i use 2FA with

True, but irrelevant.

See, for example, the recent VirginMedia data breach giving email/phone/DoB/etc info to malefactors: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51760510 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51760510)

I think I've been caught by that, based on increases in spam and "helpful" phone calls. I've yet to do a subject data request to see what info of mine they got.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on March 10, 2020, 06:20:28 pm
2FA is security, not spam. You only get the SMS for logging in. that has been the case for for any of the several people i use 2FA with

True, but irrelevant.

See, for example, the recent VirginMedia data breach giving email/phone/DoB/etc info to malefactors: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51760510 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51760510)

I think I've been caught by that, based on increases in spam and "helpful" phone calls. I've yet to do a subject data request to see what info of mine they got.

But if they have your mobile number anyway what is the difference in letting people use 2FA?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on March 10, 2020, 06:27:05 pm
To the person who has effectively ‘gone to war’ with the moderators.......

I would love to know the original incident, that has sparked this activity off (if applicable).
Was it a previously banned member, who got annoyed with the mod(s) ?
Or is it plain trolling, just for the sake of it ?

My gut feeling is that the original Angrybird account, seemed to be trolling us (in some form of fashion or other), right from the beginning. Even the user name "ANGRY" of "ANGRYbird", seems to hint at some annoyed member, somehow.


They started chest beating and idolizing trump. It resulted in a temporary ban during which i turned a blind eye to them using 2 other accounts. They then started having an argument they would not relent on about the morality of hacking things like rigol scopes in a totally unrelated thread. They refused to stop whilst accusing me of shilling mp site by having to constantly take part in the discussion to try and restore order to the chaos they caused. So ban was made permanent. Now they keep re-registering just to prove...... I don't know what. No one said that we have a system that can detect angrybird's umpteenth account and stop them at registration, other than people reporting post by a new user that still tries to make trouble.

It's all rather childish. But you get one now and then.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: tggzzz on March 10, 2020, 06:33:38 pm
2FA is security, not spam. You only get the SMS for logging in. that has been the case for for any of the several people i use 2FA with

True, but irrelevant.

See, for example, the recent VirginMedia data breach giving email/phone/DoB/etc info to malefactors: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51760510 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51760510)

I think I've been caught by that, based on increases in spam and "helpful" phone calls. I've yet to do a subject data request to see what info of mine they got.

But if they have your mobile number anyway what is the difference in letting people use 2FA?

Random websites don't have my phone numbers unless absolutely necessary. Why? Because each company with my number is another chance for malefactors to get access to my number.

The "sim swap scam" has been around and active for a while: https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/beatthescammers/article-7571099/Sim-swap-fraud-fraudster-managed-swipe-80k-bank.html (https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/beatthescammers/article-7571099/Sim-swap-fraud-fraudster-managed-swipe-80k-bank.html) "Sim swap scam saw £80,000 swiped from my bank account...    Fraudster managed to convince mobile firm Three to give away number"

The only way I can see of combatting that is to have one phone that is used for banking only.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on March 10, 2020, 07:16:55 pm
Yes i know SIM swapping has been around a while. It was not the other day I heard about it but months to a year ago. The problem with it is that it relies on the profit hungry scruples of corporations that will stop at nothing to squeeze every last drop out of their workforce and customers. It's not a technological hack but a people hack. As phones are now used in 2FA it's a serious matter. Will phone companies be made liable for money lost due the pressure they put on staff which results in people being allowed to make changes to an account when they clearly don't have the required authority.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: MK14 on March 10, 2020, 08:52:02 pm
They started chest beating and idolizing trump. It resulted in a temporary ban during which i turned a blind eye to them using 2 other accounts. They then started having an argument they would not relent on about the morality of hacking things like rigol scopes in a totally unrelated thread. They refused to stop whilst accusing me of shilling mp site by having to constantly take part in the discussion to try and restore order to the chaos they caused. So ban was made permanent. Now they keep re-registering just to prove...... I don't know what. No one said that we have a system that can detect angrybird's umpteenth account and stop them at registration, other than people reporting post by a new user that still tries to make trouble.

It's all rather childish. But you get one now and then.

Thanks. That is a wonderful, explanation!   :)

I guess you have the occasional, childish (or whatever), forum poster.

Perhaps, because a 'moderator', is psychologically seen, as being like a teacher/headmaster/boss/parent/leader like person/personality, some people seem to think it is alright, to be significantly disrespectful, to such people.

As regards enforcing using our real life mobile/cell phone numbers, to register. Here are three reasons, AGAINST it.

(1)...Many, many people, WON'T want to register that way, and will simply never register. So, a huge, future loss of membership, could occur (as mentioned by other poster(s), as well).

(2)...As I mentioned earlier. I researched using such a method (quickly, after it was mentioned in this thread). Unfortunately, it turns out to be easily cheated. Especially, by people, already knowledgeable in getting around IP bans. tl;dr It probably won't work.

(3)...From my experiences, on other forums (which I don't want to list or publicly mention, here).
It would/could open up the forum, to being hacked. Because it would have too much of peoples real life information, making it a target, for hackers. Forum software, tends to be relatively weak/susceptible to hacking.

At least two of the forums, I've previously (or currently) been a member of, have been hacked in the past, and everyone's details, were stolen. So, these days, I would avoid ones, insisting on having personal information.

Lots of websites, (forums and others), have been hacked in the past. E.g. The Sony Play Station Network.
So best, if the database(s), don't have our personal information.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on March 10, 2020, 09:29:50 pm
Well all sites are under constant attack. Having a VPS I quickly realised just how much of the traffic is hacking, I would have a list thousands of records long of people trying to log into anything they could. Obviously the more data you have the me cautious you have to be which is why in setting up another forum with someone that wanted everyone's particulars I cautioned and said that the policy should be based on the need to know.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: MK14 on March 11, 2020, 12:14:28 am
Well all sites are under constant attack. Having a VPS I quickly realised just how much of the traffic is hacking, I would have a list thousands of records long of people trying to log into anything they could. Obviously the more data you have the me cautious you have to be which is why in setting up another forum with someone that wanted everyone's particulars I cautioned and said that the policy should be based on the need to know.

This forum, seems to be rather successful, and useful.
Because we can create a relatively complicated/difficult/obscure thread, but the membership is so (relatively) large, varied, active and helpful. That you will often get the answers, that you want, and often in a relatively short timescale.

But, if the moderators, decided to heavily "lock down", this forum. With heavy registration requirements and stuff. Although, it would help keep out the riff raff (Un-savory people), we would probably lose the critical mass of posters, which helps keep this forum alive and kicking.

As you said, there are lots of hackers. Unfortunately, it seems to be something, we have to accept, in the modern age of the internet.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on March 11, 2020, 12:35:02 am
Would it be an idea to use two-factor authentication (for registering only) that uses an sms verification?
The forum has a 2FA option, I use it myself, but it's not compulsory.
What about enforcing it (for registering only) to avoid problems with people who create multiple accounts?

That would not stop any malicious actor, as the 2FA is Google Authenticater based and and anyone can use that without tracking.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on March 11, 2020, 12:43:33 am
To the person who has effectively ‘gone to war’ with the moderators.......
I would love to know the original incident, that has sparked this activity off (if applicable).
Was it a previously banned member, who got annoyed with the mod(s) ?

Some people don't like being told to pull their head in when it comes to off-topic stuff. And then when they don't stop and they get a temporary ban they go into anger mode.
So much so that we have former banned members who create multiple accounts, post things to try and get the site shut down under the DMCA, and ones that post child porn or do a DDOS attack on xmas day as a "present" to us. Even years later they still can't let it go. Unfortunately these people exist and it's just a nature of running such forum as it gets big enough you get the bell curve outliers.
The only alternative to not triggering these people is to have no rules at all and let it be a usenet style free-for-all.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: MK14 on March 11, 2020, 01:13:13 am
If there was a 'magic bullet' solution, on how to run the perfect, forum (or website). It probably would have already been discovered, and then most of the forums (and websites), would probably follow suit.

I think this forum, has a nice balance between, some moderation, and being too restrictive.
I do miss politics, but agree, it needs to be disallowed, because it is rather problematic, and can need huge amounts of moderation, to even attempt to keep it under control.

The days of 'Wild west', totally free/open, internet (usenet or whatever), seem to be partial limited. As Governments and large organisations, are increasingly clamping down on such things**.
**Ironically, I have to stop this paragraph there. To stop breaching the no politics rule.

E.g. Youtube, increasingly clamping down, on more controversial, subject areas.

But, as EEVblog/Dave, has often said, and I fully agree. It (Politics) leads to disagreements and arguments, and so is best left, out of this forum.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: bitseeker on March 11, 2020, 01:16:36 am
Yep, we get more than enough arguments about oscilloscopes. :-DD
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: james_s on March 11, 2020, 06:49:40 am
They started chest beating and idolizing trump. It resulted in a temporary ban during which i turned a blind eye to them using 2 other accounts. They then started having an argument they would not relent on about the morality of hacking things like rigol scopes in a totally unrelated thread. They refused to stop whilst accusing me of shilling mp site by having to constantly take part in the discussion to try and restore order to the chaos they caused. So ban was made permanent. Now they keep re-registering just to prove...... I don't know what. No one said that we have a system that can detect angrybird's umpteenth account and stop them at registration, other than people reporting post by a new user that still tries to make trouble.

It's all rather childish. But you get one now and then.


I wondered what was going on with all those low post count banned members I've been seeing. Many times the post I saw from them was quite reasonable so they must have been misbehaving in some thread I wasn't in. It's a shame people can't just behave like adults, perhaps mental illness is involved? I don't know. This place certainly is refreshing compared to the endless flame wars that raged on in usenet groups, back before they all got completely overrun by spam.


Personally I don't think it has been *that* big of a nuisance, certainly not enough to change the way people authenticate or whatever. When the culprit shows up just ban them when they misbehave and sooner or later they'll get bored and find something else to obsess over.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on March 11, 2020, 07:35:42 am
Would it be an idea to use two-factor authentication (for registering only) that uses an sms verification?
The forum has a 2FA option, I use it myself, but it's not compulsory.
What about enforcing it (for registering only) to avoid problems with people who create multiple accounts?

That would not stop any malicious actor, as the 2FA is Google Authenticater based and and anyone can use that without tracking.

Quite. Really the forum standard is mostly driven by members reporting suspicious people or unsavory behavior. There is no way to stop and otherwise fine member going off their head.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Shock on March 11, 2020, 12:30:09 pm
Bad idea to require compulsory 2FA or other verification, it will badly hurt the forum stats. Just at discretion hide posts from banned accounts such as low post repeat offenders, ghost accounts and hide or delete the spam.

For the banned users you could use "Ex Member" or something if you don't like to see the word banned. This should only be reserved for clearly contributing members not malicous ones.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Fraser on March 11, 2020, 01:21:07 pm
I will risk a verbal beating here, but how about changing absolutely nothing ......

This forum appears to work well and is the best I have been a member of. From the user perspective the issue of renegade members is very rare indeed. There have been some exceptions that got all our attention, but is it really warranted to make membership and login a more complex process ?

This recent dispute with Angrybird seems to have generated an awful lot more comment in this thread than it truly deserves. Compared the the MJC incident, it is a non event !

I am now putting on my Kevlar helmet and ducking for cover  ;D

Fraser

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Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Cerebus on March 11, 2020, 02:03:25 pm
I will risk a verbal beating here, but how about changing absolutely nothing ......

This forum appears to work well and is the best I have been a member of. From the user perspective the issue of renegade members is very rare indeed. There have been some exceptions that got all our attention, but is it really warranted to make membership and login a more complex process ?

This recent dispute with Angrybird seems to have generated an awful lot more comment in this thread than it truly deserves. Compared the the MJC incident, it is a non event !

I am now putting on my Kevlar helmet and ducking for cover  ;D

Fraser

I think that the only change that is desirable would be one that made it harder for the wholesale creation/rapid turnover of accounts a la 'grumpy tit-puppet'. That's really for moderatorial comfort and, to a lesser extent, keeping the fools out of the hair of the rest of us.  The problem is that it's difficult for the mods to ban someone malicious and persistent, and keep them effectively banned without a lot of manual work and vigilance on the mod's behalf. Beyond that I'd agree that there's no real need for change.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on March 11, 2020, 02:19:39 pm
Yes I don't think there is anything to change. The whole point of moderation is that it requires manual intervention and decision making.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Brumby on March 11, 2020, 03:18:17 pm
Yes I don't think there is anything to change. The whole point of moderation is that it requires manual intervention and decision making.
Absolutely (IMHO).

Automate, codify or otherwise put a defined process or structure in place and some people will count it as a challenge to circumvent.

Human assessment allows for the subtleties to be worked through on a case-by-case basis as and when they present themselves.  Automation requires a lot of design work to define and deal with as many of these subtleties up front as possible and/or modify the process as experience dictates.  This can end up being a massive maintenance burden, especially since you could expect something that might be complex to implement in code (with potential for ongoing refinements) but can be resolved by a human in a minute or two.

Also, relying on an automated system can result in a level of trust that is unwise.  As it has been said - You cannot create an idiot proof system, since idiots are so creative.


As for those who cause discussions like this - I have no doubt they are grinning from ear to ear with every word written as a result of their efforts.  They would be ecstatic to see changes made as a result of their behaviour.  This is why I walk away once they have shown their hand and why I'm happy for the current moderation process to stand.

They aren't worth my time for anything more than clicking on the "Report" button.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: ebastler on March 11, 2020, 03:31:25 pm
Absolutely (IMHO).

 ::)

Thanks for making me smile, whether that was an intended pun or not.  :)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Cubdriver on March 11, 2020, 04:08:10 pm
They aren't worth my time for anything more than clicking on the "Report" button.

Exactly!!  Ignore the troll, and they'll usually get bored and go away.  Making a big fuss plays into their hand.

-Pat
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Shock on March 11, 2020, 06:44:00 pm
How did the discussion on 2FA suddenly change to moderation again? They are quite distinctly different, and no neither needs to be changed. :D

I've been banning idiots since the 80s and it's still exactly the same motives. Spam and new or sleeper nuisance/troll users should have posts removed or hidden if possible as it's their agenda to permanently taint the forum. If you want to get rid of them long term though there are ways of doing that as well.

However, it's not the end of the world to let them come back and contribute to the forums ad revenue until they raise the alarm again. The more they do this the more helpful it is building up a dossier of services to block that identifies other nuisance users at the same time, aka honeypot.

If they remain loyal haters and pitch in, let them waste their life. But I mean coming back to Dave for this long seems like there might be some underlying sexual reasons, not that it's bad to sexually express yourself but Daves happily married and i think the chance of a hater hookup is pretty low at this point. Sometimes you have to take it on the chin, cut your losses and move on and find love elsewhere.

As I mentioned Dave/Simon if you don't like the word "banned" you can use a more friendly word that is understandable to all users.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Shock on March 11, 2020, 06:46:26 pm
Thanks for making me smile, whether that was an intended pun or not. :)

No he didn't realize it, whats your IQ? I'm surprised you picked that up.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: ebastler on March 11, 2020, 07:12:31 pm
Thanks for making me smile, whether that was an intended pun or not. :)

No he didn't realize it, whats your IQ? I'm surprised you picked that up.

Nah, just an effect of being a non-native speaker, I guess. Reading English takes a bit more awareness for me rather than doing it on auto-pilot...
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Shock on March 11, 2020, 07:29:35 pm
Nah, just an effect of being a non-native speaker, I guess. Reading English takes a bit more awareness for me rather than doing it on auto-pilot...

Your right, probably increased pattern recognition. I do the same with foreign languages. Actually it's the first time I read your name properly and just realized it's muttersprache. I was reading it for some reason as Eblaster.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on March 12, 2020, 07:54:56 am
How did the discussion on 2FA suddenly change to moderation again? They are quite distinctly different, and no neither needs to be changed. :D

You need to go further back in the topic. It started on moderation and moved to 2FA as a way to help moderation.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: ebastler on March 12, 2020, 09:31:29 am
How did the discussion on 2FA suddenly change to moderation again? They are quite distinctly different, and no neither needs to be changed. :D

You need to go further back in the topic. It started on moderation and moved to 2FA as a way to help moderation.

The thread title might also serve as a clue why "moderation" is discussed here...  ;)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Shock on March 12, 2020, 11:04:52 am
The thread title might also serve as a clue why "moderation" is discussed here...  ;)

Now that the low hanging fruit has been picked :). I just didn't want to wake up tomorrow to discover I need my mobile phone, pager from the 80s, thumb print and speech recognition to log into the forums. Strong passwords with protection against brute forcing and data leaks seems to be more secure than most 2FA these days due to all the exploits.

Dave/Simon you would be surprised at how minor changes to forum can have a positive or negative impact on attendance. This image attached (what many of us see when using the forums) has far more effect on how many visitors, contribution, retention and ad revenue generation than a bunch of rolandpenplotters combined. I'm not suggesting change (sorry to disappoint ad hominem forum members), I'm just pointing out the more obvious stuff that gets overlooked.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Simon on March 12, 2020, 11:11:56 am
I know that people will make what seem fairly large decisions based on what seems to be flimsy reasons. 2FA on a mobile is certainly not needed for logging in. For registration alone alas worldwide it may be prohibitive. There's no need to panic. Trouble makers soon get bored.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: james_s on March 13, 2020, 01:27:13 am
What's the issue with that screenshot? Other than the fact that it looks like it's maximized and thus consuming an enormous amount of screen real estate with useless white space. Maybe I'm missing something obvious?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: rsjsouza on March 13, 2020, 02:05:40 am
What's the issue with that screenshot? Other than the fact that it looks like it's maximized and thus consuming an enormous amount of screen real estate with useless white space. Maybe I'm missing something obvious?
I saw the same as you, but I suspect the reason for that massive screenshot is to simply make a point that the main forum screen and its various elements is what attracts or scares people, not the occasional obnoxious sociopath heckler.

Regarding the screenshot itself, I love the fact it is very clean - no ads, features, menus occupying every single empty space.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Monkeh on March 13, 2020, 06:19:46 pm
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/chinese-multimeter/msg2962078/#msg2962078 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/chinese-multimeter/msg2962078/#msg2962078)

Really? Just.. really? Can we have rid of him already?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: blueskull on March 13, 2020, 06:25:37 pm
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/chinese-multimeter/msg2962078/#msg2962078 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/chinese-multimeter/msg2962078/#msg2962078)

Really? Just.. really? Can we have rid of him already?

I already gave him a few posts to say whatever he wanted to say, and now my patience has run out.
And no one was asking for your opinion.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: rsjsouza on March 13, 2020, 07:04:28 pm
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/chinese-multimeter/msg2962078/#msg2962078 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/chinese-multimeter/msg2962078/#msg2962078)

Really? Just.. really? Can we have rid of him already?
In my opinion and in this particular case, CDaniel is throwing mud into the discussion. Sure, blueskull can always refrain from replying, but TBH I don't think it is that bad.

(I don't follow every discussion that delves into politics or Sino-western ideological conflicts, but the annoyance is understandable)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Shock on March 13, 2020, 07:38:30 pm
It's been made clear many times and to those previously warned to report posts if something crosses the line and not engage in attacks. If you don't like what someone said you can refute it intelligently if it's incorrect or ignore it.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Monkeh on July 08, 2020, 02:29:57 pm
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/should-we-continue-to-buy-from-china/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/should-we-continue-to-buy-from-china/)

Whole thread is obviously political, and blueskull's riding his high Type 59 again.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: blueskull on July 08, 2020, 03:06:28 pm
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/should-we-continue-to-buy-from-china/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/should-we-continue-to-buy-from-china/)

Whole thread is obviously political, and blueskull's riding his high Type 59 again.

Do you have a problem?

//Edit: never mind. I presume that's what a loser's supposed to do.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Monkeh on July 08, 2020, 03:08:42 pm
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/should-we-continue-to-buy-from-china/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/should-we-continue-to-buy-from-china/)

Whole thread is obviously political, and blueskull's riding his high Type 59 again.

Do you have a problem?

With the rules not being followed? Yes.

//Edit: never mind. I presume that's what a loser's supposed to do.

And it continues.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: blueskull on July 08, 2020, 03:10:20 pm
With the rules not being followed? Yes.

So what is the problem with me, not the OP? Oh, both of you believe the same fucking God.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: jancumps on July 08, 2020, 03:27:02 pm
You two need a separate subforum to roll over each other.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Shock on July 09, 2020, 02:14:42 am
I'm currently working at a state funded but non-governmental research facility, but as my research work accumulates, I will sooner or later move to a military research facility. I will never set foot to any Western country any more, and I never wanted since I left. I've set my life goal to inflict maximum pain to the West until it learns to respect and coexist with the East on a term of equality.

I see you have stepped up the threats.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: blueskull on July 09, 2020, 02:39:01 am
I see you have stepped up the threats.

You forgot this part:

Quote
until it learns to respect and coexist with the East on a term of equality.

If some governments have a problem coexisting with the others peacefully, someone has to deliver crucial lessons.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Shock on July 09, 2020, 03:37:24 am
There is no justification for threatening people.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: all_repair on July 09, 2020, 04:04:02 am
blueskull, some are worth engaging as they are genuine members of this forum and electronics-lovers.  Most are logical and reasonable.

 Lately, there are quite a lot of dissents actually from HK and Taiwan fake registering under somewhat neutral countries trying to stir anti-China feeling and also create frictions between citizens of these relatively neutral countries and China citizens.  For that 2 posts, I saw shadows of HK dissents.  These dissents are cultivated, and openly funded and trained by CIA NGO.  Surprisingly, only with the recent security law, these treason activities have become illegal in HK.   These are organised and well thought out movement.  Best is to report them as Dave already agreed that this forum should be non-political, and not fall into their traps and waste time engaging them. 
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: ebastler on July 09, 2020, 10:37:36 am
Lately, there are quite a lot of dissents actually from HK and Taiwan fake registering under somewhat neutral countries trying to stir anti-China feeling and also create frictions between citizens of these relatively neutral countries and China citizens.  For that 2 posts, I saw shadows of HK dissents.  These dissents are cultivated, and openly funded and trained by CIA NGO.  Surprisingly, only with the recent security law, these treason activities have become illegal in HK.   These are organised and well thought out movement.  Best is to report them as Dave already agreed that this forum should be non-political, and not fall into their traps and waste time engaging them.

Say what?!? Please stop posting such absurd conspiracy theories. Or be specific and state which of the long-standing members who spoke up in that thread you are suspecting to be CIA-sponsored sock puppets.  :palm:
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: blueskull on July 09, 2020, 11:07:20 am
Say what?!? Please stop posting such absurd conspiracy theories. Or be specific and state which of the long-standing members who spoke up in that thread you are suspecting to be CIA-sponsored sock puppets.  :palm:

Where did you come up with "long standing"? Presumably he meant the zoo which were all banned a few pages ago.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: ebastler on July 09, 2020, 11:39:34 am
He was talking about the current “buying from China” thread, wasn’t he? And I had another look at that, and indeed only see long-standing members posting there.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: blueskull on July 09, 2020, 11:43:17 am
He was talking about the current “buying from China” thread, wasn’t he? And I had another look at that, and indeed only see long-standing members posting there.

So you are accusing from mere speculation?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on July 09, 2020, 11:55:41 am
He was talking about the current “buying from China” thread, wasn’t he? And I had another look at that, and indeed only see long-standing members posting there.
So you are accusing from mere speculation?

Blueskull, please leave this thread, it is not your personal venting section.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: blueskull on July 09, 2020, 12:00:05 pm
it is not your personal venting section.

Is it me who is venting here? Are you blind?

For the record, I was being so nice to Monkeh and Shock. Normally I wouldn't be so nice if not considering the special nature of this particular thread.

And I have extended much of my courtesy to this fritz.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: ebastler on July 09, 2020, 12:06:45 pm
So you are accusing from mere speculation?

You are no longer thinking straight. It was all_repair who was accusing members of being CIA agents.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: blueskull on July 09, 2020, 12:13:26 pm
You are no longer thinking straight. It was all_repair who was accusing members of being CIA agents.

He could be meaning the two youtubers or anything, and you just have to think someone here must be a framed victim.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on July 09, 2020, 12:25:47 pm
Oh FFS Blueskull, do NOT post in this thread again. It is NOT a tat-for-tat-argument thread. Last warning.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on July 09, 2020, 12:39:42 pm
That's it, I'm deleting posts now. This thread is for posting about moderation issues only.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: MK14 on July 10, 2020, 12:24:04 am
User micksmelanie, { https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?u=683336 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?u=683336) }
Seems to be a SPAMMING account, and a huge number of their posts, are just (hidden) attempts at regularly dropping links to items on (I assume, their own) Ali-express etc, accounts/pages.
Huge number of examples possible, but I will only show a few here.

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/question-recharge-cicle-battery-in-smartphone/msg3119084/#msg3119084 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/question-recharge-cicle-battery-in-smartphone/msg3119084/#msg3119084)

This one even has the name (DOOGEE Joanna Store) of their (I assume), shop on, in the photograph:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/question-remove-battery-smartphone/msg3114956/#msg3114956 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/question-remove-battery-smartphone/msg3114956/#msg3114956)

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/help-choose-opinion-smartphone/msg3113544/#msg3113544 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/help-choose-opinion-smartphone/msg3113544/#msg3113544)

N.B. Don't be fooled. They have added TEXT, to make it look like they have created genuine threads, and then typically they ignore all replies and/or give silly/strange responses.

They also create these kinds of threads, which are to make their forum ID look more genuine, for later adverts, or some other nefarious reason ?
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/question-scratches-crt-tv/msg3128796/?topicseen#msg3128796 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/question-scratches-crt-tv/msg3128796/?topicseen#msg3128796)

Post to EXACTLY the same aliexpress shop again.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/help-choose-opinion-smartphone/msg3114394/#msg3114394 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/help-choose-opinion-smartphone/msg3114394/#msg3114394)

Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on July 10, 2020, 12:50:07 am
User micksmelanie, { https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?u=683336 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?u=683336) }
Seems to be a SPAMMING account, and a huge number of their posts, are just (hidden) attempts at regularly dropping links to items on (I assume, their own) Ali-express etc, accounts/pages.

Yep, huge number of question posts and no interaction. Completely sus. Banned.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: blueskull on July 26, 2020, 06:02:11 am
I'd like to report a certain long standing forum member creating an alias account just to annoy me in PM.

This certain individual also admitted himself that he created an alias which its screen name is apparently offensive to China's current president.

I'm sure the mods will find out who he is. As even without any admin privileges, just by analyzing online timing, posting verbiage as well as background culture information, I know who he is.

I would also suggest an investigation on whether he is also the "zoo".

I wasn't going to report him as I believed he would just stay quiet if I stopped responding to his troll, but as it seems to be, he is now posting on both accounts, one reserved for technical, the other for political.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: tggzzz on July 26, 2020, 06:49:04 am
I'd like to report a certain long standing forum member creating an alias account just to annoy me in PM.

Immediately before reading this, I responded to a post from that user. The post was directly relevant to the OP's question, accurate and helpful. My response started "Just so. The only point I will amplify is that..."
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/jobs/electrical-engineering-student-looking-for-ways-to-improve-resume-247510/msg3156356/#msg3156356 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/jobs/electrical-engineering-student-looking-for-ways-to-improve-resume-247510/msg3156356/#msg3156356)

While I have no comment about PMs, the "...just to annoy me..." appears incorrect. I reserve the right to change that observation!
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on July 26, 2020, 06:57:51 am
winniethepooh_icu is clearly an existing current (or banned) user though.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: MK14 on July 26, 2020, 06:58:33 am
While I have no comment about PMs, the "...just to annoy me..." appears incorrect.

If you don't mind me, giving an alternative version.

There is at least one post of 'his?', which seems to be a personal attack against Dave himself.
So, it does seem to be a 'throw away'/burner type of account.

But I could be wrong.

Also, the attacking post (and/or rather rude), seems weird, if the user has only recently joined the forum and got a small post count.

I.e. A real new user, is unlikely to attack Dave.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Brumby on July 26, 2020, 07:00:37 am
.... unless they've been simmering for a while from the outside looking in and decided to register so they could air their displeasure.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: MK14 on July 26, 2020, 07:09:50 am
.... unless they've been simmering for a while from the outside looking in and decided to register so they could air their displeasure.

You could be right.

This one, seems to be attacking:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/beginners/first-4-layer-pcb-traces-on-each-layer-a-good-idea/msg3156204/#msg3156204 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/beginners/first-4-layer-pcb-traces-on-each-layer-a-good-idea/msg3156204/#msg3156204)

This one is either attacking or joking, I'm not sure.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/dave-through-the-years/msg3145502/#msg3145502 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/dave-through-the-years/msg3145502/#msg3145502)

Limited information, so I accept, the evidence in this post, is rather weak.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: tggzzz on July 26, 2020, 08:04:06 am
While I have no comment about PMs, the "...just to annoy me..." appears incorrect.

If you don't mind me, giving an alternative version.

There is at least one post of 'his?', which seems to be a personal attack against Dave himself.
So, it does seem to be a 'throw away'/burner type of account.

But I could be wrong.

Also, the attacking post (and/or rather rude), seems weird, if the user has only recently joined the forum and got a small post count.

I.e. A real new user, is unlikely to attack Dave.

Agreed. Judging by the adjacent timestamps, it appears that my addition "I reserve the right to change that observation!" might have passed your post in the æther.

It may well be that a (ab)user has chosen to be subtle, i.e. a good public persona, but a poor private one. I can't think why they would bother; certainly I could never bother to be that "subtle".

General observations are that nastiness begets nastiness, and the mods have far more info than we do. Hence I'm very content that they keep a tight lid on abusive behaviour.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Weston on July 26, 2020, 08:25:11 am
Interesting situation. It's almost as if one user getting away with worse behavior than anyone else on the forum leads to worst behavior from others.

Hopefully the mods should be able to resolve the situation from the logs. But presumably the offender is using Tor or a proxy. I think there are databases that allow you to default block most Tor exit nodes?
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: rsjsouza on July 26, 2020, 11:03:57 pm
Once I was sent an unwarranted PM from a user and he decided it was a good idea to demand I took down a post of mine. I brought this to the mods and they mentioned having no access to PMs. I wonder if they could access if they tried or perhaps they took the very sane route and deliberately decided to be better off without knowing.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on July 27, 2020, 12:55:37 am
Once I was sent an unwarranted PM from a user and he decided it was a good idea to demand I took down a post of mine. I brought this to the mods and they mentioned having no access to PMs. I wonder if they could access if they tried or perhaps they took the very sane route and deliberately decided to be better off without knowing.

We do not have access to PM's or passwords. Everything else, yes.
Although I don't believe messages are actually encrypted in the database, it's just that the SMF software has no ability for admins to read them. So I guess in theory it's possible to read PM's if you search the database manually and extract the text.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Brumby on July 27, 2020, 03:01:48 am
What Dave said - and you would need to have some understanding of the database architecture to do it.  Also, there would be no formatting as such, so that could be an extra challenge.

In short, while able to be done, it can be a right pain - and those of us (that are worth anything) who have that sort of access, hold such privilege to a high standard and would not travel down that path easily.  The people I see running things at EEVblog are ones I see as being of this calibre.

Passwords are a different kettle of fish.  They are set up to make sniffing them out pretty much impossible.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on July 27, 2020, 03:43:16 am
What Dave said - and you would need to have some understanding of the database architecture to do it.  Also, there would be no formatting as such, so that could be an extra challenge.
In short, while able to be done, it can be a right pain - and those of us (that are worth anything) who have that sort of access, hold such privilege to a high standard and would not travel down that path easily.  The people I see running things at EEVblog are ones I see as being of this calibre.

I don't even have access to the database. Well, technically I do, but it requires some command line access thing that gnif uses, as the easier to use cpanel server doesn't handle the forum database, it's on a different server.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Brumby on July 31, 2020, 03:12:31 am
So there's two reasons why people shouldn't be concerned about the privacy of their PMs...

 (a) It's not the right thing to do
 (b) It's too freaking involved
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: dunkemhigh on July 31, 2020, 03:23:32 am
Quote
So there's two reasons why people shouldn't be concerned about the privacy of their PMs...

I'm not concerned that the admins might be able to access PMs, and I personally trust Dave, but if I were concerned I'd be seriously gullible to accept at face value someone who I might worry about having access saying they don't.

 (b) It's too freaking involved

Pro tip: use a computer for complicated stuff.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Monkeh on July 31, 2020, 03:33:23 am
Pro tip: use a computer for complicated stuff.

One has to learn to use the computer, and if Dave hasn't found the motivation in the last 10 years, he's not going to over some random person's private messages. ;)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Brumby on July 31, 2020, 12:43:13 pm
Pro tip: use a computer for complicated stuff.
That's easy to say - but there's a learning curve.

One has to learn to use the computer, and if Dave hasn't found the motivation in the last 10 years, he's not going to over some random person's private messages. ;)
Exactly.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: dunkemhigh on July 31, 2020, 12:48:52 pm
Quote
there's a learning curve.

I am fairly sure Dave has figured how to Google by now :)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Brumby on July 31, 2020, 12:54:38 pm
That's just a means to get the knowledge, but there are a few other steps required - such as knowing what knowledge you need, learning it, understanding it and then applying it to the problem at hand.  You then have to understand the database - but I daresay the design document won't be available, so that makes it challenging - and build a program that will pull everything together in a straightforward presentation of the data.

... and this is not taking into consideration ANY of the abnormal conditions that a GOOD piece of software will cope with.

I just can't see Dave jumping into that abyss any time soon.

I get the feeling you've never written any mission critical software.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: dunkemhigh on July 31, 2020, 01:28:14 pm
Edit: forget it. Clearly, something turns upside down crossing the equator.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: MK14 on July 31, 2020, 01:39:25 pm
Edit: forget it. Clearly, something turns upside down crossing the equator.

If someones got superuser/root/admin privileges. Then you need to trust them, which I do (here).

You are not forced to put secret, highly personal, critical information through the forums PM system. If you are worried, you could either never use the PM system, only send unimportant information, or PM an email account reference (doesn't have to be your main/real one), and use that to communicate with the other parties.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on August 01, 2020, 05:20:46 am
That's just a means to get the knowledge, but there are a few other steps required - such as knowing what knowledge you need, learning it, understanding it and then applying it to the problem at hand.  You then have to understand the database - but I daresay the design document won't be available, so that makes it challenging - and build a program that will pull everything together in a straightforward presentation of the data.
... and this is not taking into consideration ANY of the abnormal conditions that a GOOD piece of software will cope with.
I just can't see Dave jumping into that abyss any time soon.

I can't imagine any possible scenario that would be so important that I'd spend any time learning how to read PM's from the database.
So don't even both asking me to try.
Even if I got a police request or court order for some reason, I'd probably just hand over the raw database and say "here, you do the work to find it".
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Brumby on August 01, 2020, 08:23:05 am
That sounds like the Dave I (sorta) know.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Cerebus on August 01, 2020, 02:58:20 pm
That sounds like the Dave I (sorta) know.

Yeah, it's not like we're short of actual video evidence of him trying to install software and get to grips with it.  :)
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Cerebus on August 01, 2020, 03:17:15 pm
Even if I got a police request or court order for some reason, I'd probably just hand over the raw database and say "here, you do the work to find it".

Although I know you're just saying that to illustrate your "I'm not touching that with yours" attitude to the technology in question I'm still going to say "That's never a good idea".

As the man who used to have to deal with all the official requests for data for an ISP/telco I can tell you from experience that if you give them an inch they'll take a mile if you let them.

I'd get a request over the phone and my response would be "OK, I'll make sure the evidence is going to be preserved but I'm gonna have to have the official paperwork before I can release it". Nine times out of ten I find that when the paperwork (court order, whatever) arrives I find that what was asked for and what they have official permission to take are two very different things, and they never asked for less than they were actually permitted to take.

The police (and similar bodies) have a very cavalier attitude towards complying with the law when it's them that have to do the complying. Give 'em half a chance (like a complete open database) and they'll go on a fishing trip looking for something they can prosecute someone for completely unrelated to the matter at hand. Should that happen, be discovered and someone decide that "someone must take the blame for this" you know which out of a 'official' and oneself is going to be left carrying the can (which is another way of saying there are serious liability issues at stake). Always, always vet 'official' requests/demands for data and never give them direct uncontrolled access to data stores.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: EEVblog on August 03, 2020, 01:34:38 am
Always, always vet 'official' requests/demands for data and never give them direct uncontrolled access to data stores.

Chill out, I know what I'm doing, I was just being hyperbolic.
Title: Re: Moderation reports
Post by: Cerebus on August 03, 2020, 03:29:59 am
Always, always vet 'official' requests/demands for data and never give them direct uncontrolled access to data stores.

Chill out, I know what I'm doing, I was just being hyperbolic.

Er yeah, I got that. That's exactly why I prefaced all of what I said with:

Although I know you're just saying that to illustrate your "I'm not touching that with yours" attitude to the technology in question I'm still going to say "That's never a good idea".