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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #600 on: March 11, 2020, 02:19:39 pm »
Yes I don't think there is anything to change. The whole point of moderation is that it requires manual intervention and decision making.
 
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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #601 on: March 11, 2020, 03:18:17 pm »
Yes I don't think there is anything to change. The whole point of moderation is that it requires manual intervention and decision making.
Absolutely (IMHO).

Automate, codify or otherwise put a defined process or structure in place and some people will count it as a challenge to circumvent.

Human assessment allows for the subtleties to be worked through on a case-by-case basis as and when they present themselves.  Automation requires a lot of design work to define and deal with as many of these subtleties up front as possible and/or modify the process as experience dictates.  This can end up being a massive maintenance burden, especially since you could expect something that might be complex to implement in code (with potential for ongoing refinements) but can be resolved by a human in a minute or two.

Also, relying on an automated system can result in a level of trust that is unwise.  As it has been said - You cannot create an idiot proof system, since idiots are so creative.


As for those who cause discussions like this - I have no doubt they are grinning from ear to ear with every word written as a result of their efforts.  They would be ecstatic to see changes made as a result of their behaviour.  This is why I walk away once they have shown their hand and why I'm happy for the current moderation process to stand.

They aren't worth my time for anything more than clicking on the "Report" button.
 
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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #602 on: March 11, 2020, 03:31:25 pm »
Absolutely (IMHO).

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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #603 on: March 11, 2020, 04:08:10 pm »
They aren't worth my time for anything more than clicking on the "Report" button.

Exactly!!  Ignore the troll, and they'll usually get bored and go away.  Making a big fuss plays into their hand.

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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #604 on: March 11, 2020, 06:44:00 pm »
How did the discussion on 2FA suddenly change to moderation again? They are quite distinctly different, and no neither needs to be changed. :D

I've been banning idiots since the 80s and it's still exactly the same motives. Spam and new or sleeper nuisance/troll users should have posts removed or hidden if possible as it's their agenda to permanently taint the forum. If you want to get rid of them long term though there are ways of doing that as well.

However, it's not the end of the world to let them come back and contribute to the forums ad revenue until they raise the alarm again. The more they do this the more helpful it is building up a dossier of services to block that identifies other nuisance users at the same time, aka honeypot.

If they remain loyal haters and pitch in, let them waste their life. But I mean coming back to Dave for this long seems like there might be some underlying sexual reasons, not that it's bad to sexually express yourself but Daves happily married and i think the chance of a hater hookup is pretty low at this point. Sometimes you have to take it on the chin, cut your losses and move on and find love elsewhere.

As I mentioned Dave/Simon if you don't like the word "banned" you can use a more friendly word that is understandable to all users.
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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #605 on: March 11, 2020, 06:46:26 pm »
Thanks for making me smile, whether that was an intended pun or not. :)

No he didn't realize it, whats your IQ? I'm surprised you picked that up.
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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #606 on: March 11, 2020, 07:12:31 pm »
Thanks for making me smile, whether that was an intended pun or not. :)

No he didn't realize it, whats your IQ? I'm surprised you picked that up.

Nah, just an effect of being a non-native speaker, I guess. Reading English takes a bit more awareness for me rather than doing it on auto-pilot...
 

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« Reply #607 on: March 11, 2020, 07:29:35 pm »
Nah, just an effect of being a non-native speaker, I guess. Reading English takes a bit more awareness for me rather than doing it on auto-pilot...

Your right, probably increased pattern recognition. I do the same with foreign languages. Actually it's the first time I read your name properly and just realized it's muttersprache. I was reading it for some reason as Eblaster.
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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #608 on: March 12, 2020, 07:54:56 am »
How did the discussion on 2FA suddenly change to moderation again? They are quite distinctly different, and no neither needs to be changed. :D

You need to go further back in the topic. It started on moderation and moved to 2FA as a way to help moderation.
 

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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #609 on: March 12, 2020, 09:31:29 am »
How did the discussion on 2FA suddenly change to moderation again? They are quite distinctly different, and no neither needs to be changed. :D

You need to go further back in the topic. It started on moderation and moved to 2FA as a way to help moderation.

The thread title might also serve as a clue why "moderation" is discussed here...  ;)
 

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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #610 on: March 12, 2020, 11:04:52 am »
The thread title might also serve as a clue why "moderation" is discussed here...  ;)

Now that the low hanging fruit has been picked :). I just didn't want to wake up tomorrow to discover I need my mobile phone, pager from the 80s, thumb print and speech recognition to log into the forums. Strong passwords with protection against brute forcing and data leaks seems to be more secure than most 2FA these days due to all the exploits.

Dave/Simon you would be surprised at how minor changes to forum can have a positive or negative impact on attendance. This image attached (what many of us see when using the forums) has far more effect on how many visitors, contribution, retention and ad revenue generation than a bunch of rolandpenplotters combined. I'm not suggesting change (sorry to disappoint ad hominem forum members), I'm just pointing out the more obvious stuff that gets overlooked.
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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #611 on: March 12, 2020, 11:11:56 am »
I know that people will make what seem fairly large decisions based on what seems to be flimsy reasons. 2FA on a mobile is certainly not needed for logging in. For registration alone alas worldwide it may be prohibitive. There's no need to panic. Trouble makers soon get bored.
 

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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #612 on: March 13, 2020, 01:27:13 am »
What's the issue with that screenshot? Other than the fact that it looks like it's maximized and thus consuming an enormous amount of screen real estate with useless white space. Maybe I'm missing something obvious?
 

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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #613 on: March 13, 2020, 02:05:40 am »
What's the issue with that screenshot? Other than the fact that it looks like it's maximized and thus consuming an enormous amount of screen real estate with useless white space. Maybe I'm missing something obvious?
I saw the same as you, but I suspect the reason for that massive screenshot is to simply make a point that the main forum screen and its various elements is what attracts or scares people, not the occasional obnoxious sociopath heckler.

Regarding the screenshot itself, I love the fact it is very clean - no ads, features, menus occupying every single empty space.
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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #614 on: March 13, 2020, 06:19:46 pm »
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/chinese-multimeter/msg2962078/#msg2962078

Really? Just.. really? Can we have rid of him already?
 

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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #615 on: March 13, 2020, 06:25:37 pm »
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/chinese-multimeter/msg2962078/#msg2962078

Really? Just.. really? Can we have rid of him already?

I already gave him a few posts to say whatever he wanted to say, and now my patience has run out.
And no one was asking for your opinion.
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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #616 on: March 13, 2020, 07:04:28 pm »
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/chinese-multimeter/msg2962078/#msg2962078

Really? Just.. really? Can we have rid of him already?
In my opinion and in this particular case, CDaniel is throwing mud into the discussion. Sure, blueskull can always refrain from replying, but TBH I don't think it is that bad.

(I don't follow every discussion that delves into politics or Sino-western ideological conflicts, but the annoyance is understandable)
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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #617 on: March 13, 2020, 07:38:30 pm »
It's been made clear many times and to those previously warned to report posts if something crosses the line and not engage in attacks. If you don't like what someone said you can refute it intelligently if it's incorrect or ignore it.
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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #618 on: July 08, 2020, 02:29:57 pm »
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/should-we-continue-to-buy-from-china/

Whole thread is obviously political, and blueskull's riding his high Type 59 again.
 

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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #619 on: July 08, 2020, 03:06:28 pm »
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/should-we-continue-to-buy-from-china/

Whole thread is obviously political, and blueskull's riding his high Type 59 again.

Do you have a problem?

//Edit: never mind. I presume that's what a loser's supposed to do.
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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #620 on: July 08, 2020, 03:08:42 pm »
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/should-we-continue-to-buy-from-china/

Whole thread is obviously political, and blueskull's riding his high Type 59 again.

Do you have a problem?

With the rules not being followed? Yes.

//Edit: never mind. I presume that's what a loser's supposed to do.

And it continues.
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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #621 on: July 08, 2020, 03:10:20 pm »
With the rules not being followed? Yes.

So what is the problem with me, not the OP? Oh, both of you believe the same fucking God.
 

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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #622 on: July 08, 2020, 03:27:02 pm »
You two need a separate subforum to roll over each other.
 

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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #623 on: July 09, 2020, 02:14:42 am »
I'm currently working at a state funded but non-governmental research facility, but as my research work accumulates, I will sooner or later move to a military research facility. I will never set foot to any Western country any more, and I never wanted since I left. I've set my life goal to inflict maximum pain to the West until it learns to respect and coexist with the East on a term of equality.

I see you have stepped up the threats.
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Re: Moderation reports
« Reply #624 on: July 09, 2020, 02:39:01 am »
I see you have stepped up the threats.

You forgot this part:

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until it learns to respect and coexist with the East on a term of equality.

If some governments have a problem coexisting with the others peacefully, someone has to deliver crucial lessons.
 
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