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themadhippy:

--- Quote ---We live in the goldenist of golden times of music. You just have to search around for it.
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As long as you only want to  listen to it,not see the band live.In the uk at least,the live music scene has declined massively .If your an established name theirs still plenty of venues,but the number of smaller 100-200 cap venues has shrunk dramatically
Some of that is down to the punters being able to watch the latest one hit wonder anytime they want online,but a bigger part was due to making live venues jump through multiple hoops to gain a license or forcing stupid license conditions on long established venues due to new residential developments complaining.Mr venue owner has to spend several thousand pounds to comply,or sell it to the highest bidder. Another strange but true statistic is the 18-25 year olds are drinking less,meaning less bar sales,just the ticket price at a small venue wont pay for the staffing and overheads to keep a venue open.My latest fear is several city's looking at introducing congestion charges,want to bring your van  into the center at 4pm?no problem thats £100 please,for  a band just starting out that could be more than there gig fee.

engrguy42:

--- Quote from: John B on June 03, 2020, 09:58:59 pm ---The entire framing of the proposition is wrong. The problem is not modernity or some downward trend in the overall technical and theoretical complexity of music, but rather what is presented through the major channels as being mainstream.

We live in the goldenist of golden times of music. You just have to search around for it.

Most of the criticisms of modern music could also be applied to "the good stuff" of years gone by. The most common popular music has always been equal tempered, diatonic and rhythmically based on powers of 2.

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I think there's a rational case to be made that in fact the "millenial age" modern music is, in large part, nothing of note. And by that I mean where are the legends and icons? Of course there are good singers. There are always good singers all over the world. And with youtube we're starting to see them. But there's mostly a lot of people copying others' music all over youtube. Where are the ones who are not only skilled and talented, but also produce incredible, innovative stuff that will last for decades?

For example, Led Zeppelin. Bonham was arguably one of the greatest rock drummers of all time. Without doubt. And he was together with Page, one of the greatest rock guitarists, without doubt. And Robert Plant arguably one of the greatest rock signers. And the stuff they produced was like nothing before. incredible skills, incredible talents, and they produced stuff that was/is amazing. 

Where's that now? All we get is some catchy tunes by folks who won't be remembered in 2 years. Where are the orchestras? The incredibly talented groups of folks who have been honing their skills for decades, and get together to produce something special, live and in person. Where are the musicians with actual talent? Good singers are a dime a dozen. And good singers copying others' songs are a dime a dozen. Where are the standouts?

I joke a lot about Billie Eilish, but for a good reason. She's a perfect example of the nonsensical attitude of "oh, it's a catchy tune, so she's awesome". Even though she can't even sing, she just freakin' mumbles. The bar has dropped so low that it's freakin' embarassing. I thought it was low with rap music. It just keeps getting lower. Where's the quality, the innovation?

Of course there's been crap throughout the ages. Hell, even millions around the globe fawning over embarassingly horrible crap like "Yellow Submarine". But there are also and unending list of examples of real talent and quality and innovation in past years. And not just the ridiculous Frank Zappa "innovation", but stuff that really changed things in a good way.

IMO, what's missing nowadays is quality, real skill and talent, and producing stuff that's meaningful and innovative. It's all just a catchy tune inside an entertaining video. And just like the youtube users who can't handle anything over 4 minutes without losing interest, everything in the music industry is now produced down to a few minutes. Gone are the long musical stories, the improvisations. Now it's all just bite-sized BS.

Would Stairway to Heaven even exist today? Hell, can you even find a Broadway-type show that isn't just 10,000th repeat of a show that started in the 70's or 80's? Do orchestral concerts even exist anymore? Yeah, there's the occasional catchy tune on the radio by some new, one-hit wonder. But that's not my definition of really good music. 
   

Cerebus:

--- Quote from: engrguy42 on June 03, 2020, 10:50:08 pm --- Where are the orchestras? The incredibly talented groups of folks who have been honing their skills for decades, and get together to produce something special, live and in person. Where are the musicians with actual talent?

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Are you kidding me? In normal times I'd just point you to the concert listings for London, or Paris, or Berlin, even Birmingham or Leeds, where there would be several orchestral performances happening this evening in each of those cities, along with chamber music, choral works. Plus Lord knows how many other music genres being represented in those cities in hundreds of live venues. And performances the day after, and the day after that...

There are 48 orchestras listed on Wikipedia for London alone, 54 for the rest of England, 4 for Birmingham, even Leicester has an Orchestra, so does Bournemouth. And we haven't started on Scotland (10), Wales (4, rain stopped play) or Northern Ireland (1).

Where do you live, Vermont? (1 orchestra in the whole state, even Alaska stretches to two.)

EEVblog:

--- Quote from: eti on June 03, 2020, 01:24:46 am ---As a societal barometer, it's not at all surprising to observe how the GOOD "taste" people once had in ACTUAL MUSIC, with tune, rhythm, passion and  depth, has all but eroded away to zero, when your Artificial Assistant misunderstands a basic commands, and tells you to "check out this popular music channel" instead of doing what you commanded it to do (set a timer, turn on the lights, etc) and proceeds to blare out some ridiculous (c)rap or hip-hop (the junk stuff, not the good stuff from the 70s or 80s)

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