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« Reply #25 on: October 26, 2022, 04:30:13 pm »
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A hole punch or notch is no different to me than a large cluster of bad pixels

That's one way of looking (sorry!) at it. Another way is to consider a rectangular display with additional tabs above it.
 
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« Reply #26 on: October 26, 2022, 04:51:54 pm »
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A hole punch or notch is no different to me than a large cluster of bad pixels

That's one way of looking (sorry!) at it. Another way is to consider a rectangular display with additional tabs above it.

But that's not how it ends up working. When you play full screen video part of the video is obstructed by the notch or hole, it looks awful. Either way I absolutely cannot stand it, just give me an uninterrupted rectangular display. The war against bezels is utterly stupid, bezels serve a useful purpose. They give you something to hold onto, and frame the image. Likewise usually when someone hangs a photo or painting on the wall they put it in a frame. They add a purely decorative bezel around the image, it makes it stand out.
 

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« Reply #27 on: October 26, 2022, 05:10:56 pm »
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A hole punch or notch is no different to me than a large cluster of bad pixels

That's one way of looking (sorry!) at it. Another way is to consider a rectangular display with additional tabs above it.

But that's not how it ends up working. When you play full screen video part of the video is obstructed by the notch or hole, it looks awful. Either way I absolutely cannot stand it, just give me an uninterrupted rectangular display. The war against bezels is utterly stupid, bezels serve a useful purpose. They give you something to hold onto, and frame the image. Likewise usually when someone hangs a photo or painting on the wall they put it in a frame. They add a purely decorative bezel around the image, it makes it stand out.

I have a bezel, and a notch, and no holes in video. Strange.
 
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« Reply #28 on: October 26, 2022, 05:22:13 pm »
I used to be a fan of OLEDs on phones, maybe my next phone will get an OLED, but they're more technical curiosities than anything.  I'm not convinced they make the overall "owning a phone" experience much better, unless you're into HDR video playback on a 5" screen.  They have a lot of downsides, such as much higher cost of repair if broken, burn in and worse battery life. 

Yeah some OLEDs can get a bit rainbowy at very shallow viewing angles, but you can't read the display anyway at such extreme angles so i don't even notice it. The colors look perfectly stable to me at any normal angles one might use it at (like up to 60 deg off axis).

They are great screens for phones tho. Yes they might use more power when displaying a fully white screen, but when only parts of the screen are white they use less power than LCD. This can be taken advantage of on a phone by selecting a dark theme, so most of it is black, this makes OLEDs consume way less power than a LCD while also being brighter (since it never has to protect itself by dimming). Sure sunlight readability on OLED is not great, but then again modern LCDs are also not great and need cranking of the backlight to max (The older transflective type screens did this much better). Burnin is also a lot less pronounced in modern screens, Had a OLED display phone for many years and shows zero burn in.

I don't have to look back, I have lots of CRTs in service still. There's a nice 27" Sony XBR downstairs that is used mostly for the vintage console games. I have a collection of arcade cabinets that all have the original CRT monitors, I have a 15" Sony studio monitor that will do 1080i, it looks amazing. I also have several vintage computers with CRT monitors, nothing else out there looks quite like a good CRT. Lack of a fixed grid of pixels is inherently superior IMO when displaying multiple different resolutions. OLED does look fantastic, if the made a 4:3 OLED I think that would be a good CRT replacement in some applications.
Retro gaming is indeed one good use for CRTs. The scan lines are part of the look, so is the blinking scan frequency of the display along with the instant response time of throwing video voltage directly into the electron gun.

The thing that has kept me from getting an OLED phone is that they're all huge and/or have a notch or hole punch in the screen. I can't wait for the stupid obsession with eliminating bezels dies off, I absolutely cannot stand flaws in a display. A hole punch or notch is no different to me than a large cluster of bad pixels, and I think it's funny how fanboys will get behind those but nobody would accept a device that had a big clump of defective pixels.

The notch is not a OLED exclusive thing, they figured out how to give notches to LCD screen phones too (Tho i think the hole punch camera design is OLED exclusive, but i might be wrong).

However the phones OS is aware of the very top and bottom (due to rounded corners) is a special part of the screen. By default those areas of the screen are not given to the application to use as screen space. Those areas hold the OS status bar(top) or the navigation buttons(bottom), heck if you use a dark theme that makes surrounding pixels black you can't even tell where the screen ends. So think of this as having 3 screens on the front. 1 main screen and then 2 small screens that serve to show status or reconfigurable touch buttons. The implementation really makes the difference. Just that if an application specifically asks for it the OS will still give it use of that area, so yes it is possible to watch a youtube video with rounded corners and a chunk missing where the camera is, but by default it won't, you need to actually tell it to do it (and it looks awful i agree).

The one thing i do think is a downside is that having too little of a border makes it easy to accidentally touch the screen there. But i keep my phone in a bit of a bulkier rubber case and that fixes the issue.
 

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« Reply #29 on: October 26, 2022, 06:57:07 pm »
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But that's not how it ends up working. When you play full screen video part of the video is obstructed by the notch or hole

Does it? Oh, OK, that would annoy me too! But so would having the notification bar visible as well... One would think they could just blank that bit and suit most people, but perhaps the bar can either be shown or overlayed but not blanked.
 

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« Reply #30 on: October 26, 2022, 07:33:33 pm »
Does it? Oh, OK, that would annoy me too! But so would having the notification bar visible as well... One would think they could just blank that bit and suit most people, but perhaps the bar can either be shown or overlayed but not blanked.

Maybe there's a way to change it, but this is what it looks like on my friend's iphone, I was in disbelieve that Apple would do something like that, I'm quite confident that Steve Jobs would have put his foot down and never let that happen. The latest Macbooks fixed almost everything I don't like about the one I have for work, but then they ruined it by putting a stupid notch in the screen. I know it doesn't bother a lot of people but I'm kind of OCD and it drives me crazy, I can't stand it. I really dislike the lack of a physical home button in the latest phones too.
 

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« Reply #31 on: October 26, 2022, 08:37:12 pm »
That's where you put your thumb when holding the phone :)
 

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« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2022, 09:59:17 pm »
The problem is the ambient light sensor is in that area. If covered with your thumb, the phone will think it is dark and will dim the screen.
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Re: modern tech is better or is it?
« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2022, 10:20:53 pm »
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But that's not how it ends up working. When you play full screen video part of the video is obstructed by the notch or hole

Does it? Oh, OK, that would annoy me too! But so would having the notification bar visible as well... One would think they could just blank that bit and suit most people, but perhaps the bar can either be shown or overlayed but not blanked.

You just have to accept that you bought that device knowing of the design, and where the obstruction is (or you'd have done due diligence and researched, pre-purchase). Personally, my brain doesn't care a hoot that a TINY percentage of a video is missing - I bought the thing, and tbh, you soon adjust to it, there's more important things in life for me to get hung up on (and then we have the "pixel-peepers" who obsess that something "isn't high res enough" - like it actually matters)

One thing I used to do, and subsequently forced myself NOT to do, years ago, was to make a purchase/pre-plan a purchase, and then actively seek out, via Google, "<name of product X> known defects"; if you want a needless anxiety and frustration rabbit hole to disappear down for a day or so, DO THAT, lol.

Life is too short. I am speaking from one who has wasted a fair bit on complaining, and I see it in myself as something I try to minimise (and before anyone says, yes, I think, by now I might JUST BE AWARE of my posting habits, and am attempting to change them when I can.)

I do not mean the above as a "put up with it!" response, but I'd try and ignore it - it really ISN'T that huge an issue; it only is if you obsess over it, and is it REALLY worth it?
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Re: modern tech is better or is it?
« Reply #34 on: October 26, 2022, 10:27:49 pm »
Define "better".

If you mean overall durability, the answer is both yes and no. I think there is a greater variation of products these days, compared for say, 30 years ago. Everything from the cheapest, nastiest Chinese garbage through to premium high quality products.

If you mean in terms of performance and capabilities, then the answer is a resounding "yes". Technology has come a long way and is only getting better.

I'll take a 4K OLED over "not being able to play football inside the house" any day.
 

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« Reply #35 on: October 26, 2022, 10:41:37 pm »
Define "better".

If you mean overall durability, the answer is both yes and no. I think there is a greater variation of products these days, compared for say, 30 years ago. Everything from the cheapest, nastiest Chinese garbage through to premium high quality products.

If you mean in terms of performance and capabilities, then the answer is a resounding "yes". Technology has come a long way and is only getting better.

I'll take a 4K OLED over "not being able to play football inside the house" any day.

There's no such thing as "premium" these days, only when it is ENFORCED by law for industrial-grade stuff that has VERY rigid laws about how it HAS to stand up to X abuse for X years/decades ... and then they'd not even bother trying that marketing baloney, as it's made to order for engineers who know better, and the companies making it KNOW this, and wouldn't bother trying it on, and in industry you don't get to "market to" the customer in this same manner [shortform: consumer grade customers are ignorant and believe what they're told]. The *IMAGE* of "premium" is marketed to death, I feel, but the reality is different. Your 4K TV which is SOLD as "premium" (and no matter WHICH brand) is carefully calculated to go out of warranty, and then... "oh look, it died!"

You say "Technology has come a long way" - I beg to differ. The dots on the TV are packed closer together, some chips have got faster the thing is thinner to RIDICULOUS levels (not sure why we NEED a TV as thin as paper - not like ya gonna carry it round the house) and the "apps" have multiplied like bacteria, most of which are useless, spammy noise. The junk coming through the cable is EXPONENTIALLY WORSE than the quality programmes we used to have (at least here in England, and we are condescended to on EVERY level of TV programming).

How is this "Better"? It's DEMONSTRABLY WORSE.

When words like "premium", "Pro model" etc are bandied to death, they lose all meaning. Companies ONLY care about the NEXT sale, not taking care of the current thing they sold ya.

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« Reply #36 on: October 26, 2022, 11:01:14 pm »
Define "better".

If you mean overall durability, the answer is both yes and no. I think there is a greater variation of products these days, compared for say, 30 years ago. Everything from the cheapest, nastiest Chinese garbage through to premium high quality products.

If you mean in terms of performance and capabilities, then the answer is a resounding "yes". Technology has come a long way and is only getting better.

I'll take a 4K OLED over "not being able to play football inside the house" any day.

There's no such thing as "premium" these days, only when it is ENFORCED by law for industrial-grade stuff that has VERY rigid laws about how it HAS to stand up to X abuse for X years/decades ... and then they'd not even bother trying that marketing baloney, as it's made to order for engineers who know better, and the companies making it KNOW this, and wouldn't bother trying it on, and in industry you don't get to "market to" the customer in this same manner [shortform: consumer grade customers are ignorant and believe what they're told]. The *IMAGE* of "premium" is marketed to death, I feel, but the reality is different. Your 4K TV which is SOLD as "premium" (and no matter WHICH brand) is carefully calculated to go out of warranty, and then... "oh look, it died!"

You say "Technology has come a long way" - I beg to differ. The dots on the TV are packed closer together, some chips have got faster the thing is thinner to RIDICULOUS levels (not sure why we NEED a TV as thin as paper - not like ya gonna carry it round the house) and the "apps" have multiplied like bacteria, most of which are useless, spammy noise. The junk coming through the cable is EXPONENTIALLY WORSE than the quality programmes we used to have (at least here in England, and we are condescended to on EVERY level of TV programming).

How is this "Better"? It's DEMONSTRABLY WORSE.

When words like "premium", "Pro model" etc are bandied to death, they lose all meaning. Companies ONLY care about the NEXT sale, not taking care of the current thing they sold ya.

I guess that depends on how you define "premium". For me a premium laptop would be something like a Lenovo ThinkPad or a hard drive such as the Hitachi/WD Ultrastar's. I certainly wouldn't put them in the "industrial" market. The same goes for "prosumer" equipment like cameras and audio gear. Those would be classed as premium products in my books.

As for TV's, I have to disagree. The image quality is getting better and better all the time. I just replaced my TV earlier in the year and it's orders of magnitude better compared to my 6-year old Phillips unit. Not only does Google TV run faster than the proprietary stuff that Philips implemented, but the contrast, brightness, resolution, image quality and digital corrective features are in completely different leagues. That being said, this is why I went for a premium brand like Sony, as opposed to the cheap crap you buy from Kogan that has questionable hardware specifications. As for what is actually broadcast on TV/internet, yeah, you could argue it's garbage, but I don't subscribe or watch any of that stuff. 95% of my content I watch comes from my self-hosted Plex server. I honestly don't recall the last time I actually saw an ad on TV.

In terms of the all the "apps", well, that comes down to the unit you decide to purchase. I bought a Google TV so I can specifically uninstall the crap that I don't need (and more importantly, install the applications I do need, like the native Plex client). It makes for a very clean experience.

Ultimately, the "quality" of the TV comes down to robustness/longevity, its ability to perform functions as one would expect (without lag, glitching) and its ability to display images and audio to an acceptable quality. Everything else is beyond the scope.
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Re: modern tech is better or is it?
« Reply #37 on: October 27, 2022, 12:54:38 am »
Define "better".

If you mean overall durability, the answer is both yes and no. I think there is a greater variation of products these days, compared for say, 30 years ago. Everything from the cheapest, nastiest Chinese garbage through to premium high quality products.

If you mean in terms of performance and capabilities, then the answer is a resounding "yes". Technology has come a long way and is only getting better.

I'll take a 4K OLED over "not being able to play football inside the house" any day.

There's no such thing as "premium" these days, only when it is ENFORCED by law for industrial-grade stuff that has VERY rigid laws about how it HAS to stand up to X abuse for X years/decades ... and then they'd not even bother trying that marketing baloney, as it's made to order for engineers who know better, and the companies making it KNOW this, and wouldn't bother trying it on, and in industry you don't get to "market to" the customer in this same manner [shortform: consumer grade customers are ignorant and believe what they're told]. The *IMAGE* of "premium" is marketed to death, I feel, but the reality is different. Your 4K TV which is SOLD as "premium" (and no matter WHICH brand) is carefully calculated to go out of warranty, and then... "oh look, it died!"

You say "Technology has come a long way" - I beg to differ. The dots on the TV are packed closer together, some chips have got faster the thing is thinner to RIDICULOUS levels (not sure why we NEED a TV as thin as paper - not like ya gonna carry it round the house) and the "apps" have multiplied like bacteria, most of which are useless, spammy noise. The junk coming through the cable is EXPONENTIALLY WORSE than the quality programmes we used to have (at least here in England, and we are condescended to on EVERY level of TV programming).

How is this "Better"? It's DEMONSTRABLY WORSE.

When words like "premium", "Pro model" etc are bandied to death, they lose all meaning. Companies ONLY care about the NEXT sale, not taking care of the current thing they sold ya.

I guess that depends on how you define "premium". For me a premium laptop would be something like a Lenovo ThinkPad or a hard drive such as the Hitachi/WD Ultrastar's. I certainly wouldn't put them in the "industrial" market. The same goes for "prosumer" equipment like cameras and audio gear. Those would be classed as premium products in my books.

As for TV's, I have to disagree. The image quality is getting better and better all the time. I just replaced my TV earlier in the year and it's orders of magnitude better compared to my 6-year old Phillips unit. Not only does Google TV run faster than the proprietary stuff that Philips implemented, but the contrast, brightness, resolution, image quality and digital corrective features are in completely different leagues. That being said, this is why I went for a premium brand like Sony, as opposed to the cheap crap you buy from Kogan that has questionable hardware specifications. As for what is actually broadcast on TV/internet, yeah, you could argue it's garbage, but I don't subscribe or watch any of that stuff. 95% of my content I watch comes from my self-hosted Plex server. I honestly don't recall the last time I actually saw an ad on TV.

In terms of the all the "apps", well, that comes down to the unit you decide to purchase. I bought a Google TV so I can specifically uninstall the crap that I don't need (and more importantly, install the applications I do need, like the native Plex client). It makes for a very clean experience.

Ultimately, the "quality" of the TV comes down to robustness/longevity, its ability to perform functions as one would expect (without lag, glitching) and its ability to display images and audio to an acceptable quality. Everything else is beyond the scope.

I wouldn't class the "ThinkPad" range as consumer grade laptops. Consumers may buy them, but I can count on two FINGERS the people I know with these NASA certified tanks; me, and my Uncle. The fact that they are, afaik, the ONLY laptops NASA has certified and used for decades, says a lot to me. "IdeaPad" range, if they still exist, I am told are utter landfill fodder. I still have an R500, and its been bashed, smacked, dropped, and not a single war wound, and it STILL works. I am not one for thin, fly-away paper laptops, and I like the chunky doorstep profile  :D

I don't recall EVER having seen a TV ad for ThinkPad; that would be considered VERY tacky and low-brow, considering who they are aimed at. Whenever I see one on TV, in a business or someone's home, I say aloud "Look, SOMEONE with a brain!". Consumers LOVE to be led along like sheep with this "New! Better! Better than last year's 'best EVERRR' " BS.

The amount of people who ask me "Which is the best brand of computer?" only serves to confirm this.
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« Reply #38 on: October 27, 2022, 01:03:25 am »
Thinkpads are everywhere, I probably have 5 or so of them including the one I'm using now, my daily driver is a X250. I know loads of people that have them, yes they're not really targeted at consumers but quite a lot of tech oriented people have them.
 

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« Reply #39 on: October 27, 2022, 01:17:55 am »
I have one.
 

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« Reply #40 on: October 27, 2022, 02:55:23 am »
You say "Technology has come a long way" - I beg to differ. The dots on the TV are packed closer together, some chips have got faster the thing is thinner to RIDICULOUS levels (not sure why we NEED a TV as thin as paper - not like ya gonna carry it round the house) and the "apps" have multiplied like bacteria, most of which are useless, spammy noise.

I'm sorry, are you're complaining that the TVs are higher resolution, but thinner and weigh less than the CRTs of the 90s or the plasmas of the 2000s?  Name me one advantage if I put an extra 3 cm of thickness and an extra 300g of weight from the larger housing in your TV.

Smart TVs cost less than the combination of a "dumb" TV and a set top streaming box (Apple TV, Roku). Often quite a lot less. That's why they won the market.  Yes, the pre installed apps are there to advertise streaming services to you. But they are also a matter of convenience for the masses.


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The junk coming through the cable is EXPONENTIALLY WORSE than the quality programmes we used to have (at least here in England, and we are condescended to on EVERY level of TV programming).

Repeat after me: The programs are not the tech.
 

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« Reply #41 on: October 27, 2022, 04:04:05 am »
I wouldn't class the "ThinkPad" range as consumer grade laptops.

I would. I class anything as "consumer grade" if it's readily available for purchase by anyone. You can jump onto Lenovo's website and just order one as an individual. Which is why I would put them in the high-end of the consumer bracket, but yes, they also cross over into the commercial market. You often find a lot of "power users" (I hate that term), buying them because of their capabilities and build quality. I personally use a ThinkPad P1 as my daily driver.

Product I wouldn't classify as "consumer" would be devices which you typically (but not exclusively) need to have an account with a reseller or distributor for. A lot of higher-end computer networking equipment tends to fall into this category, as does some video and photography products.

The line isn't clear and it certainly depends on your interpretation of it, but the above is just my opinion.
 

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« Reply #42 on: October 27, 2022, 04:22:29 am »
Maybe there's a way to change it, but this is what it looks like on my friend's iphone, I was in disbelieve that Apple would do something like that, I'm quite confident that Steve Jobs would have put his foot down and never let that happen.

If you mainly watch YouTube 16:9 content (or slightly wider) you won't see the notch, it's not default behaviour. You have to specifically "zoom to fill" if you want to see the notch on most content. The default native iOS video player will also hide the notch by default even on 21:9 content, but all bets are off on third party apps (like YouTube grrrrrr).

Apple usually has a very generous return policy for the holidays, so keep an eye on in November for them to announce it. You'll be able to try the phone for like 2 months.

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« Reply #43 on: October 27, 2022, 05:51:25 am »
Retro gaming is indeed one good use for CRTs. The scan lines are part of the look, so is the blinking scan frequency of the display along with the instant response time of throwing video voltage directly into the electron gun.

Indeed, as the graphics were designed for the softer pixels, and look much better, screen size being equal, on a CRT vs anything modern. There's a pic I saw demonstrating this that I might add to my post when I get home from work, if I remember.
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« Reply #44 on: October 27, 2022, 05:56:47 am »
The YouTube app on a Samsung S52 (Android 12) does not use the camera punch area to show video unless you zoom in to force video into that area. Maybe it is a iOS problem. In general on Android the apps have to specifically ask to use that area of the screen, so and legacy apps that don't know about this don't get to draw UI there while the OS continues to use the area for the status bar.

But yes default settings on Android tend to make the status bar white so the camera hole is very obvious whenever the phone is on. I assume this is more of a style choice to show off the phone being modern enough to have a holepunch camera. Unfortunately mobile phone design is driven by fads. Just change to a theme that makes the status bar black and you won't notice the hole/notch.


I wouldn't class the "ThinkPad" range as consumer grade laptops.
I would. I class anything as "consumer grade" if it's readily available for purchase by anyone. You can jump onto Lenovo's website and just order one as an individual. Which is why I would put them in the high-end of the consumer bracket, but yes, they also cross over into the commercial market. You often find a lot of "power users" (I hate that term), buying them because of their capabilities and build quality. I personally use a ThinkPad P1 as my daily driver.
Yep there is no razor sharp line between consumer and professional products.

Most products are the "average Joe consumer" products where it just has to be cheap and have whatever features are popular at the time, performance is secondary. But there are still plenty of products that are aimed at more demanding costumers, yet are still sold by simply walking into a store or clicking buy in a webshop.

For example a lot of professional video/audio production equipment is available to anyone with deep enough pockets. In terms of networking Mikrotik sells routers/APs in just general stores even tho it is actually a professional grade router running the same software that the big rack routers running entire companies use. You likely won't be able to even open ports on this router without a step by step tutorial (unless you are an actual professional network engineer). Yet you can still just walk into a store and buy one.
 

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« Reply #45 on: October 27, 2022, 06:09:25 am »
Smart TVs cost less than the combination of a "dumb" TV and a set top streaming box (Apple TV, Roku). Often quite a lot less. That's why they won the market.  Yes, the pre installed apps are there to advertise streaming services to you. But they are also a matter of convenience for the masses.

They cost less because they are subsidized by the personal data they gather. This is exactly why they are crap, and frankly I can't understand why anyone would ever connect one to the internet. Even if you have a smart TV you should never use the smart part, plug in an external player that doesn't spy on you or serve ads.
 

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« Reply #46 on: October 27, 2022, 06:12:50 am »
Apple usually has a very generous return policy for the holidays, so keep an eye on in November for them to announce it. You'll be able to try the phone for like 2 months.

I can try one any time I want, I have numerous friends that have had them for years, I can't stand the notch and would never buy one. I'm sticking with my 2016 iPhone SE as long as I can possibly keep it going, I like the small form factor, physical home button and un-interrupted screen. I hate how enormous phones have gotten, even the new SE is larger than I'd prefer.

Regarding that meme "what you think you want" is in fact what I want, and f*** anyone who thinks they can tell me what I actually want.
 

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Re: modern tech is better or is it?
« Reply #47 on: October 27, 2022, 06:26:25 am »
The problem is the ambient light sensor is in that area. If covered with your thumb, the phone will think it is dark and will dim the screen.
At least on iPhones, I don’t think that happens: the ambient light sensor is also the proximity sensor, so if it detects it’s covered, it doesn’t adjust display brightness. (I have an iPhone SE, so no notch or “dynamic island”, and if I cover the sensors, it doesn’t adjust brightness.)

With that said, the narrow border on my iPad Pro causes me to frequently press things when just carrying around the iPad (e.g. while playing a video). I get that narrower borders mean a larger display in a given device size, but IMHO usability suffers. I’d rather they have slightly larger borders, and use that space for more battery still (though iPad battery life is superb) and to add extra selfie cameras so that you’re centered in both landscape and portrait video calls.
 
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Re: modern tech is better or is it?
« Reply #48 on: October 27, 2022, 06:29:06 am »
With that said, the narrow border on my iPad Pro causes me to frequently press things when just carrying around the iPad (e.g. while playing a video). I get that narrower borders mean a larger display in a given device size, but IMHO usability suffers. I’d rather they have slightly larger borders, and use that space for more battery still (though iPad battery life is superb) and to add extra selfie cameras so that you’re centered in both landscape and portrait video calls.

It wouldn't have to be very big, 3-5mm wider bezel around the device would result in the overall size increasing by less than 10mm for a significant boost in usability. The notch is even more stupid on the Macbook, it is totally unnecessary and I think they did it on purpose to get the distinctive brand look, which of course random Chinese companies will copy right away.
 

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Re: modern tech is better or is it?
« Reply #49 on: October 27, 2022, 06:32:36 am »
I can try one any time I want, I have numerous friends that have had them for years, I can't stand the notch and would never buy one. I'm sticking with my 2016 iPhone SE as long as I can possibly keep it going, I like the small form factor, physical home button and un-interrupted screen. I hate how enormous phones have gotten, even the new SE is larger than I'd prefer.
I hear you. I really wanted an iPhone 13 mini, but I generally keep phones 3-4 years and I’m not due for another year or two — and they’ve discontinued the mini already! 😭 (Well, you can still buy the 13 mini, but there’s no 14 mini.) I don’t understand why more people don’t want smaller phones.

Remember the 90s and early 2000s where the cellphone makers were in an arms race to make smaller phones, and we ended up with things the size of a C battery? ::sigh::
 
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