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tooki:

--- Quote from: eti on October 27, 2022, 11:34:21 pm ---
--- Quote from: tooki on October 27, 2022, 11:23:42 pm ---
--- Quote from: eti on October 27, 2022, 11:17:39 pm ---And a WHOLE SLEW of "LGBT" trash. Gimme a break, we don't ALL want to be woked-to!

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As a gay person, I’m glad it’s there. You don’t have to watch it. (Though maybe you should, so it will become normalized to you.) Heck, I don’t watch all of them, because many are crap, just like many non-LGBT shows.

But don’t think for a second that you get to shove us back into the closet just because you don’t like being reminded that LGBT people exist. We do, we always have, and we’re not going anywhere.

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I said the programmes are trash, not that you are. Take it easy  :)

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I understood you perfectly. I never said you said we were trash.

I just said you don’t get to shove us back in the closet because you don’t like seeing that LGBT people exist.

Monkeh:

--- Quote from: tooki on October 27, 2022, 11:43:34 pm ---Sense8

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Now there's a show to rile up the homophobes. Sadly cancelled because it was a little too open minded for the masses.

eti:

--- Quote from: tooki on October 27, 2022, 11:44:38 pm ---
--- Quote from: eti on October 27, 2022, 11:34:21 pm ---
--- Quote from: tooki on October 27, 2022, 11:23:42 pm ---
--- Quote from: eti on October 27, 2022, 11:17:39 pm ---And a WHOLE SLEW of "LGBT" trash. Gimme a break, we don't ALL want to be woked-to!

--- End quote ---
As a gay person, I’m glad it’s there. You don’t have to watch it. (Though maybe you should, so it will become normalized to you.) Heck, I don’t watch all of them, because many are crap, just like many non-LGBT shows.

But don’t think for a second that you get to shove us back into the closet just because you don’t like being reminded that LGBT people exist. We do, we always have, and we’re not going anywhere.

--- End quote ---

I said the programmes are trash, not that you are. Take it easy  :)

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I understood you perfectly. I never said you said we were trash.

I just said you don’t get to shove us back in the closet because you don’t like seeing that LGBT people exist.

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You feel I am doing that (you do not know me, my heart or my intentions, so not sure it matters that much) you are taking an offence that was not given to you and does not exist. I understand a lot of hatred is aimed at LGBT etc, and that is ghastly, however, would you like to hyper-promote "straight pride!" "straight TV!"? Nope. I accept people literally as they are, and I was referring to TV networks compulsion to FORCE it too much to OVER cater - you should be MORE offended by that - black people can see right through the "token black man" BS etc, and don't stand for it, so why do you feel SO enthused about being "catered to"? That would annoy the #### out of me, no matter what my "cause" or group in life. Being pandered to and pacified is annoying AS.

Not agreeing with something, or not wanting to see it all the time, is not an umbrella "hatred" - that is exceptionally immature an outlook to have (and somewhat convenient when people want to build straw men) - I don't like ANYTHING rammed down my throat, but it's offensive because it's WAY WAY overboard, brazen and forced, and I would NOT want my children seeing that, nor should anyone. Simple, and a responsible adult can see that.

I have no idea about "closets" or "BLM"  or whatever, but no one is OBLIGED to meekly sit by and pretend they like it, and a CIVIL opinion is not a sin, and should not offend anyone - go and do what you feel you want to, I have other interests, it's up to you ain't it.

Okay I'll leave that subject alone now, sorry if I hurt you.

tooki:

--- Quote from: Monkeh on October 27, 2022, 11:50:11 pm ---
--- Quote from: tooki on October 27, 2022, 11:43:34 pm ---Sense8

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Now there's a show to rile up the homophobes. Sadly cancelled because it was a little too open minded for the masses.

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Well, the main theory is that it was canceled because it was super expensive to produce, since it was filmed with an ensemble cast on location in 13 cities around the world.

tooki:

--- Quote from: eti on October 27, 2022, 11:54:29 pm ---You feel I am doing that (you do not know me, my heart or my intentions, so not sure it matters that much) you are taking an offence that was not given to you and does not exist. I understand a lot of hatred is aimed at LGBT etc, and that is ghastly, however, would you like to hyper-promote "straight pride!" "straight TV!"? Nope. I accept people literally as they are, and I was referring to TV networks compulsion to FORCE it too much to OVER cater - you should be MORE offended by that - black people can see right through the "token black man" BS etc, and don't stand for it, so why do you feel SO enthused about being "catered to"? That would annoy the #### out of me, no matter what my "cause" or group in life. Being pandered to and pacified is annoying AS.

Not agreeing with something, or not wanting to see it all the time, is not an umbrella "hatred" - that is exceptionally immature an outlook to have (and somewhat convenient when people want to build straw men) - I don't like ANYTHING rammed down my throat, but it's offensive because it's WAY WAY overboard, brazen and forced, and I would NOT want my children seeing that, nor should anyone. Simple, and a responsible adult can see that.

I have no idea about "closets" or "BLM"  or whatever, but no one is OBLIGED to meekly sit by and pretend they like it, and a CIVIL opinion is not a sin, and should not offend anyone - go and do what you feel you want to, I have other interests, it's up to you ain't it.

Okay I'll leave that subject alone now, sorry if I hurt you.

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I didn’t say I was offended, and I never said anything about hatred.

But regardless of how “accepting” you think you are, when you describe the existence of LGBT shows as the networks “ramming it down your throat” and as things you would “not want your children seeing”, “nor should anyone”, then you’re actually saying you don’t want you or your children to even see the existence of LGBT people. That doesn’t sound particularly accepting in reality. It sounds like our existence disgusts you.

Meanwhile, after decades of essentially all LGBT portrayals in the media falling squarely into one of two categories (campy comic relief, or tragedy, often called the “kill the gays” trope), for LGBT people, the past ~5 years have finally brought us something we sorely needed: portrayals of LGBT people and couples as normal people and normal couples. (You can’t imagine how cathartic this has been for a lot of us. We weep for the fact we didn’t have any such depictions to see when we were kids, but we weep with joy that today’s LGBT kids do.) We had “token gay character” garbage for decades, within the aforementioned framework of comic relief or tragedy. So that’s not what we’re happy about. We’re happy about the recent stuff where LGBT characters are full-fledged human beings for whom being LGBT is just a part of who they are, not their defining (or sole) characteristic. We finally have shows where a couple happens to be gay, but nothing about their story is about being gay. Examples of healthy relationships that just happen to be LGBT, but could just have well not been.

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