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HwAoRrDk:

--- Quote from: voltsandjolts on December 13, 2022, 07:53:53 pm ---Claims to ship from London but look at the business address (bottom of the listing page) and its China.

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That's not necessarily a sign. I've ordered from eBay sellers that had business addresses in HK or China, but the item was despatched from the UK.

MikeK:

--- Quote from: jpanhalt on December 13, 2022, 08:54:27 pm ---I don't see it as fulfilling the specifications of "fraud."

--- Quote ---fraud. n. the intentional use of deceit, a trick or some dishonest means to deprive another of his/her/its money, property or a legal right.
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How were you harmed?  You agreed to the delivery date in the listing, and if you got it by that that date (within reason), you have no conceivable damages.  What are the conditions for return?  If you meet those, then return it  if you want and reorder the same item from an American stocker.

Of course, if it was a week late, then you can probably return it.

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I didn't get it by the delivery date.  This is my complaint.  It is listed as shipping from a US state, in this case NY, and I live in PA.  Would be hard pressed to take more than 2 days to go from NY to PA.  I purchased, as I'm sure others have, with the understanding that the item IS ACTUALLY IN STOCK ONE STATE OVER and that the higher price offsets the ability to get it sooner...i.e. not waiting from China.  That's the deception...That it isn't actually in stock.  I placed the order and THEN it got shipped from China.  Really no point in listing the location as NY if it's coming from China, other than to deceive.  The total price is 3X higher than the same item shipping directly from China.  Had I known it was shipping from China I would simply have paid the LOWER price.  I have no desire to pay more money for the SAME delivery time.  THAT'S the deception.  And, yes, it IS fraud...The item is NOT in stock at the location listed.

thm_w:

--- Quote from: voltsandjolts on December 13, 2022, 07:53:53 pm ---Yeh, this is very common on eBay. Tough competition pushing sellers to be more cheeky perhaps.
e.g.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/175195795988
Claims to ship from London but look at the business address (bottom of the listing page) and its China.

Surely eBay could easily weed these out, they are so obvious...but eBay cares about shareholders not customers ???

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They say in the description: "It takes about 1-5 working days to UK; about 2-8 working days to other countries. Transit time may be a little delayed because of the bad weather and customs inspection. If you do not receive your item within 15 working days since payment finished, please contact us immediately for further assistance."

And the reviews are mostly good and some mention fast shipping times. Might actually be in UK.

Tomorokoshi:
There is so much fraud with counterfeit products, re-directed listings, and duplicate bogus listings that Ebay already doesn't care about for this to get much attention.

jpanhalt:
In the US, shipping times from international sellers can vary a lot.  Common carriers, such as DHL and FedEX, clear a whole container at a time.  Individual shipments (e.g., by USPS or Parcel Force in the UK) may take a lot longer.  I wouldn't make a fuss about a few days.  A few weeks or never does make a difference.  Heck, I ordered an item from an American seller from an American business (HON) for a product made in the USA.  It was supposed to be delivered "next business day,"  which was last Thursday.  Delayed delivery dates of Friday, Monday, and Tuesday were promised and missed.  The newest delivery is now Wednesday.  Aggravating? Yes.  Will I take any other actions?  No, not unless the delivery of an undamaged product is delayed a lot more.

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