Angry at Free Energy YouTubers...

[Mechanical Menace]

had you actually read the article I linked to in my first post you'd see that it discusses relatively recent branches of the evolutionary tree; namely the contentious ancestor common to both humans (hominids) and the species of "great apes" colloquially and commonly called monkeys.

Yeah, but I also have palaeontologist and phylogenticist friends. As I said in an earlier post it is a pretty academic argument that doesn't effect the science beyond semantics but cladistics is always a contentious issue.

http://archive.news.softpedia.com/news/Is-This-the-Common-Ancestor-of-Humans-Chimps-Gorillas-70715.shtml

I don't see what that has to do with the most recent common ancestor between apes and monkeys...

I think that it is pretty damn obvious that when the typical anti-evolutionist attempts to discredit the theory of evolution by insisting that it is claimed that humans evolved from "monkeys" that they have these well known species of "great ape" in mind rather than freaking Nakalipithecus nakayamai. The theory of evolution most certainly does not state that my great great great (blah blah blah) grandparents were a pair of chimpanzees or gorillas.

They misunderstand on purpose, and why should their wilful ignorance limit my discourse to pop biology and it's fallacies rather than actual developments in the related fields?

EDIT:

I half figured before posting that this was going to be a waste of time. We can extend your argument all the way back to call humans some kind of pond slime.

We ARE still eukaryotes, and that's not just my argument but BIOLOGIES.

There isn't a direct line of descent between humans and monkeys.

But as the illustration I posted showed, there is. The most recent common ancestor between monkeys and ape was a monkey making apes a SUBSET of monkeys. It wasn't a modern monkey, but it was still a monkey and not a more basal primate.

Those taking it upon themselves to defend science shouldn't perpetuate the exact same myths and over simplifications that those on the other side of the fence use to attack it.

And they shouldn't lie to distance similar sounding but different claims either! Their oversimplification comes from not getting that MODERN apes and monkeys are cousins, yours comes from ignoring that before there were ancient apes there were more ancient monkeys that split into the modern monkey and ape groups.

[EEVblog]

Bring it back to the original topic please.

[GK]

***BIG SNIP***

I think that it is pretty damn obvious that when the typical anti-evolutionist attempts to discredit the theory of evolution by insisting that it is claimed that humans evolved from "monkeys" that they have these well known species of "great ape" in mind rather than freaking Nakalipithecus nakayamai. The theory of evolution most certainly does not state that my great great great (blah blah blah) grandparents were a pair of chimpanzees or gorillas.

They misunderstand on purpose, and why should their wilful ignorance limit my discourse to pop biology and it's fallacies rather than actual developments in the related fields?

Non sequitur. Who said that it should? You misinterpreted my prior posts by assuming that I used the term "monkey" in an antiquated and restrictive sense rather than the colloquial (that being a label for most currently living primates; a usage that some scientists stress is nevertheless not strictly incorrect) that is relevant to the popular anti-evolution debate. In this context, the assertion than humans did not descend from monkeys is most certainly correct.

EDIT:

I half figured before posting that this was going to be a waste of time. We can extend your argument all the way back to call humans some kind of pond slime.

We ARE still eukaryotes, and that's not just my argument but BIOLOGIES.

I am aware of that. The point wasn't over the veracity of the above but the relevance to the discussion. I don't know how calling everything Marklar brings clarity to the discussion.
 

[Galenbo]

... misinterpreted my prior posts by assuming that I used the term "monkey"

Must have been Free Energy Youtube Monkeys instead.