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Offline aroby

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Mouser packaging
« on: February 26, 2014, 07:30:27 pm »
I'm relatively new to electronics, so have been ordering bits and pieces from various places.  I'm astonished by the sheer amount of packaging that Mouser uses.  I just received an order which was mainly small components, one larger relay, a bottle of liquid flux and a flux dispenser bottle.  Total value was about $80.  All of this arrived in an 8"x8"x12" box, mostly full of bubble wrap.  Obviously everything was individually bagged (the empty flux dispenser was in a bag roughly twice the size of the dispenser and its packaging).  I get that - probably due to the order assembly process, but an incredible waste (and cost) overall. 

One item I bought (3 USB A board mount receptacles), not only came in a bag with the receptacles mounted on foam, but that itself was rolled up in 3' of bubble wrap, taped and placed in yet another bag!  It's crazy.  My pile of packaging garbage took up more space than what I ordered, and that wasn't including the overall bubble wrap that filled the box!

Is this commonplace with Mouser?

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Re: Mouser packaging
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2014, 07:45:41 pm »
They cannot beat HP for packaging insanity. Look it up on The Register.
 

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Re: Mouser packaging
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2014, 08:00:03 pm »
I really wonder at their packaging some times.  At one point I ordered three different headers from the same series -- exactly the same part but for the pin count, and I think about 10 of each.  One was shipped with the parts loose in a zip-top bag.  The second bunch was double bagged and wrapped in bubble wrap with a "FRAGILE" sticker.  The third were all stuck into a foam block, shrink-wrapped, and then double bagged.  I actually wonder if their pick and ship process actually has different people filling different lines on the same order the way things seemed to be packed so randomly.
 

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Re: Mouser packaging
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2014, 08:11:06 pm »
Arrow is just as bad.  I had a $100 order that was shipped in 6 large boxes... and of course, all of the parts fit easily into 1 of the boxes.  When I asked about that, they said that their warehouses are so large that they don't bother sending parts from one zone all the way to the other end to be packed together.  Another crazy thing is that if you do a one time order they charge $8 flat rate shipping, but if you create an account, they charge more expensive, random rate shipping.  Oh, and there's the coin flip method of deciding whether something should go in an ESD bag.

 

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Re: Mouser packaging
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2014, 08:14:33 pm »
I just had a closer look at one item I bought.  2 panel mount BNC connectors.  Came in one bag with another 4 bags inside, neatly stapled together.  One with the connectors, one with the nuts, one with the washers, one with the tabbed washers.

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Re: Mouser packaging
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2014, 08:59:57 pm »
Analog Devices is pretty good too. Here's some stuff I got a while back....

That's a 30cm ruler in the foreground.
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Re: Mouser packaging
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2014, 09:01:39 pm »

are you people seriously complaining that your orders are packaged too well?
 

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Re: Mouser packaging
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2014, 09:04:00 pm »

are you people seriously complaining that your orders are packaged too well?

Because making extra trips with vans, lorries, planes, and ships because of oversized packaging isn't criminally wasteful.
 

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Re: Mouser packaging
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2014, 09:28:16 pm »
Well.. here's the thing..

They standardize on a few sizes of cardboard boxes. 
There's higher risk of smaller boxes getting crushed under wheels, falling off sorting bands, getting forgotten under machinery that sorts packages for days or weeks, getting damaged at transport, so it often makes sense to use larger boxes.
They often don't have several types of packaging, so if they only have bubblewrap or air bubbles available and they need to protect a single connector, it takes more time to be careful and cut just a small piece of bubblewrap then use scotch tape to hold the bubblewrap together, compared to just grabbing a handful of protection material.

I can't give you a link right now, but there were some discussion threads regarding shipping small items on other forums and people from Amazon and other companies said extra bubblewrap is less expensive and less toxic to environment than the cost in support calls and returned packages and refund requests due to people not finding small sd cards and other such items in their packages (because they slip between cardboard layers or through open holes when shippers flatten them or throw them around).

There's other reasons as well but I can't remember them right now.

Newark isn't that bad here, I don't see them sending me oversized boxes. They also like to use big bubblewrap envelopes (about A1 sized) for heatshrink tubing, ribbon cables, headers  etc small stuff.
Maybe I'm just unlucky, but usually they have everything in stock when I try to order something but then as they start to ship it, some parts show up as available in 3 days, some parts in a week and so on.
So almost every time, I get the order in 2 or 3 separate days, but all within a week usually.
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Re: Mouser packaging
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2014, 09:28:28 pm »
It's annoying, sure. But wasteful? These electronics companies' shipments are a molecule evaporated off of a drop in the bucket that is Amazon &c. Mouser could send you ten empty boxes, each individually packed and shipped in another box, with every order and their shipping waste wouldn't even approach making a difference that affects anything but their own shipping accounts.
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Re: Mouser packaging
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2014, 09:30:21 pm »
It's annoying, sure. But wasteful? These electronics companies' shipments are a molecule evaporated off of a drop in the bucket that is Amazon &c. Mouser could send you ten empty boxes, each individually packed and shipped in another box, with every order and their shipping waste wouldn't even approach making a difference that affects anything but their own shipping accounts.

So because Amazon are wasteful, it's okay for everyone else to be?
 

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Re: Mouser packaging
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2014, 09:45:01 pm »
I welcome it. When I need a spare box to put other stuff in I order a Transistor from these firms. It's great. :P
 

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Re: Mouser packaging
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2014, 09:45:16 pm »
Digikey used to be like that as well.  They seem to have optimized things a bit, in addition to their use of that recyclable Giame stuff.

Don't think I've had an oversized Mouser box before, or at least in a long time.  Kind of disappointing really to buy over $200 of chips and transistors and stuff and get a little 2" tall box. :(

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Re: Mouser packaging
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2014, 09:47:59 pm »
So because Amazon are wasteful, it's okay for everyone else to be?

In a way, yes. Waste is relative, you could always make your packaging smaller and cheaper at the expense of more cost internally. How do you judge what is too much? Well, as the point of avoiding waste is to reduce environmental impact of your shipping and of disposal of your packaging, I say we judge it on that impact.
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Re: Mouser packaging
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2014, 10:45:07 pm »
Could be good or stupid depending on what you need this for but here is now digikey shipped me 4x 1.2M lengths of heatshrink



Like i needed a 1.2M uncut piece of heatshink lol

For size comparison you can see the cats tail. The box was like 1.5m long and 200mm wide !
« Last Edit: February 26, 2014, 10:47:18 pm by Psi »
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Re: Mouser packaging
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2014, 03:11:54 am »
Recently I ordered 5 little mylar speakers. Each was individually bagged, then put together in another bag. I also got a small bag of capacitors that someone felt the need to put into another bag twice the size. All of my last few orders have come in the really small box, but so many items were bagged in bags in other bags, it's ridiculous! Also, I had previously ordered 25 of the same speakers, and they came stuck into a block of styrofoam with another block rubber-banded onto the top, in its own box  :o Could they have not just gone in a bag?

My last big order from Mouser came in a huge box, that had a static dissipative bag lining it, and my order was split into three other dissipative bags inside of that. I understand safe packaging, but bags in bags in bags in bags seems a bit ridiculous to me. Though, I guess they cost less than one cent for them, so  :-//
 

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Re: Mouser packaging
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2014, 04:54:49 am »
Analog Devices is pretty good too. Here's some stuff I got a while back....

That's a 30cm ruler in the foreground.
My orders with ADI have always been shipped in pink antistatic foam with ADI chip carriers inside all in a UPS Air envelope. Not bad at all. DigiKey seems to be the best at packaging, and Newark is ridiculous. I selected FedEx shipping, and they sent me a MASSIVE box for one RPi.
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Re: Mouser packaging
« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2014, 07:05:29 am »
Another thing is prepacks... oftentimes you'll get loose parts from Digikey or other suppliers packed in, say, baggies of ten or what have you, and they'll send you a bunch of baggies, or staple them together, or whatever.  I've received LEDs from China in this way also.

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Re: Mouser packaging
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2014, 08:47:30 am »
It's annoying, sure. But wasteful? These electronics companies' shipments are a molecule evaporated off of a drop in the bucket that is Amazon &c. Mouser could send you ten empty boxes, each individually packed and shipped in another box, with every order and their shipping waste wouldn't even approach making a difference that affects anything but their own shipping accounts.

So because Amazon are wasteful, it's okay for everyone else to be?

You said "criminally wasteful".  You think this is SUCH a huge big deal that people should be going to jail for it?  That's a bit silly.

Shipping bigger packages than necessary is inefficient.  Inefficiency costs money - either to the shipper or the recipient.  If the recipient, then he/she is free to shop for lower priced sellers who can sell lower because they are more efficient in packaging/shipping.  If the seller, they can choose to earn more money by being more efficient in shipping.

It's not like there is a finite amount of cardboard in the world and a company using more is taking away your allotment, or something.
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Re: Mouser packaging
« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2014, 09:31:52 am »
It's not like there is a finite amount of cardboard in the world and a company using more is taking away your allotment, or something.

Not quite sure there's an infinite amount of cardboard in the world  ;)
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Re: Mouser packaging
« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2014, 12:26:18 pm »
It's not like there is a finite amount of cardboard in the world and a company using more is taking away your allotment, or something.

All resources are finite.
 

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Re: Mouser packaging
« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2014, 04:01:28 pm »
Most of the time Mouser seems to pack stuff pretty reasonably. I do tend to think they use too much padding and bubble wrap, etc. Nothing I buy from them is all that fragile, but better safe than sorry I guess. Every now and then though, I get something a bit excessive. Maybe they just ran out of small boxes the day this was shipped.

Inside this box was:
1 Arduino Uno
10 3mm LEDs
1 4xAA battery holder
2 small heatsinks
1 sheet of SOIC adapter boards

Best I remember, there was about 20 feet of bubble wrap to keep everything from rattling around, and the SOIC adapters were wrapped in cardboard and packed inside a smaller box.
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Re: Mouser packaging
« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2014, 07:07:27 am »
That's not promising. I considered using a shipping relay to get a small order redirected from the US, but with these (potential) package sizes shipping may be 10 times the cost of the order.

What courier/shipping methods does Mouser use for its most basic international shipping?
 

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Re: Mouser packaging
« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2014, 07:31:53 am »
The last few big orders I've placed through Mouser have been packed fairly well. The box isn't overly huge, but oh my god the bags within bags within bags. First, the whole order gets stuffed into a giant ESD bag, which makes sense. However, the trimpots I ordered were in a bag inside a bag. The only thing in the outer bag was the slightly smaller inner bag. I have absolutely no idea why. I've also got several components that were bagged individually inside another bag. Why?!

No matter what I order, this always happens to something.

Digikey on the other hand packs their stuff beautifully. My singular gripe with their packaging is that the small boxes open at the end, rather than flip open. It's hard to pull stuff out of them because my huge hands don't fit. ::)
 

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Re: Mouser packaging
« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2014, 07:40:24 am »
Last year I ordered a new soldering iron bit, some solder and a flux pen from Farnell. They all arrived the next day, but each was delivered by a different courier.


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