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Homemade device creates RF interference in Ohio, USA
« on: May 05, 2019, 01:32:20 pm »
https://fox8.com/2019/05/04/source-of-key-fob-garage-opener-interference-solved-in-north-olmsted/

Alright, which one of you guys was it?  :-DD

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According to city officials, a custom, man-made device inside of a resident's home was causing interference with radio frequencies.

Officials discovered the device after being let into the home by another resident.

The device, which reportedly ran on a back-up battery, was identified and disabled.

The city says there will be no further interference and the resident has agreed not to make any such devices in the future.

Officials say there was no malicious intent with the creation of device.
 
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Re: Homemade device creates RF interference in Ohio, USA
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2019, 05:06:30 pm »
That's funny. I wonder what error he made? I would assume his device was supposed to be like any other smart device and communicating with his network; but as much RF as he was generating, I'd wonder what the hell he had going on. The news video is funny. The officials were definitely amused. Said they killed power to the whole neighborhood trying to figure out where it was coming from, but it was on a battery setup. They said the signal was so strong you couldn't localize it. They had to go door to door as a last resort.  :-DD

That's pretty funny when your home made smart device jams a a whole frequency range in a few block radius. I can only guess this was going on for weeks on end until some quirky circumstances made a couple of affected people realize they had the same weird problem.  :D

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Re: Homemade device creates RF interference in Ohio, USA
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2019, 05:11:22 pm »
I'm curious as well.

I'm currently guessing that he bought an off the shelf 315MHz module and sent a continuous stream of data out of it inside an Arduino loop() function, blowing out the duty cycle limits on the band.
 

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Re: Homemade device creates RF interference in Ohio, USA
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2019, 07:55:39 pm »
Clearly the people looking for it didn't have the right equipment. With the proper stuff(and some experience) you can narrow it down to the part of the room it is in quite easily.
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Re: Homemade device creates RF interference in Ohio, USA
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2019, 10:25:44 pm »
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Re: Homemade device creates RF interference in Ohio, USA
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2019, 04:51:38 am »
a good reason why a hobbyist should have broad band antennas at his disposal (often cited as being useless), to detect problems.
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Re: Homemade device creates RF interference in Ohio, USA
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2019, 05:43:32 am »
Clearly the people looking for it didn't have the right equipment. With the proper stuff(and some experience) you can narrow it down to the part of the room it is in quite easily.

Perhaps - but the interviewee talked about conducted as well as radiated fields, which turned a lot of household wiring into antennae - plus - from the sounds of it, there was a lot of power in the transmitted signal.  Maybe they needed a detector with a different sensitivity range - such as a piece of wet string tied to one leg of a neon bulb.
 

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Re: Homemade device creates RF interference in Ohio, USA
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2019, 06:52:47 am »
A directional antenna alone would not work. That will get you close but then the front end of the receiver would be swamped and even with high levels of attenuation the signal will leak into the receiver, coax etc and no longer provide a directional signal. You need to get a little more advanced and use what is often called an "offset attenuator". You vary the level of a mixed signal which then gives nearly infinite attenuation so even if the signal source is several watts and you are less then a meter away the directional properties of the antenna still work.
Amateur radio fox hunts(hidden transmitters) use this setup quite often, it works extremely well.
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Re: Homemade device creates RF interference in Ohio, USA
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2019, 07:14:59 am »
Ah.  You learn something every day.

Still, the conducted RF on wiring would make life interesting, I would think.
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Re: Homemade device creates RF interference in Ohio, USA
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2019, 07:20:56 am »
Could not access in UK either until I changed VPN country to US. Perhaps still due to gdpr.
 

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Re: Homemade device creates RF interference in Ohio, USA
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2019, 04:39:08 pm »
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I get the same message and I am getting it more and more. It is a result of the stupidity of EU legislation. American content providers find it easier to just not deliver their content to Europe.

The solution, obviously, is to VPN to America.
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Re: Homemade device creates RF interference in Ohio, USA
« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2019, 05:08:54 pm »
For a quick peek at US news sites which block EU/Germany I use

https://hide.me/en/proxy

(select USA as proxy location)
 
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Re: Homemade device creates RF interference in Ohio, USA
« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2019, 05:16:55 pm »
For a quick peek at US news sites which block EU/Germany I use

https://hide.me/en/proxy

(select USA as proxy location)
thanks! I bookmarked it.
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Re: Homemade device creates RF interference in Ohio, USA
« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2019, 06:17:30 pm »
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The solution, obviously, is to VPN to America.
Nope the dont show it so I dont need to see it.  >:D
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Re: Homemade device creates RF interference in Ohio, USA
« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2019, 06:41:52 pm »
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According to city officials, a custom, man-made device inside of a resident's home was causing interference with radio frequencies.

Officials discovered the device after being let into the home by another resident.

The device, which reportedly ran on a back-up battery, was identified and disabled.

The city says there will be no further interference and the resident has agreed not to make any such devices in the future.

Officials say there was no malicious intent with the creation of device.

Some unspecified interference was being caused by some unspecified device owned by some unspecified person for some unspecified purpose. But don't worry, everything is OK now.

Very poor reporting.
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Re: Homemade device creates RF interference in Ohio, USA
« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2019, 08:18:05 pm »
I get the same message and I am getting it more and more. It is a result of the stupidity of EU legislation. American content providers find it easier to just not deliver their content to Europe.
I don't understand what makes them feel compelled to comply with this bullshit rather than ignore it altogether. It's not like they care about compliance for the sake of staying in this market since they clearly don't give a damn.
Maybe they just want to punish us >:D
 

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Re: Homemade device creates RF interference in Ohio, USA
« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2019, 11:15:19 pm »
I don't understand what makes them feel compelled to comply with this bullshit rather than ignore it altogether. It's not like they care about compliance for the sake of staying in this market since they clearly don't give a damn.
Maybe they just want to punish us >:D
I don't know but it could be that large publishers may have a presence in Europe where the EU authorities could get at them.
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Re: Homemade device creates RF interference in Ohio, USA
« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2019, 06:01:35 pm »
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/us/2019/05/05/a-mystery-frequency-disrupted-car-fobs-in-an-ohio-city-and-now-residents-know-why.html
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The source of the problem was a homemade battery-operated device designed by a local resident to alert him if someone was upstairs when he was working in his basement. It did so by turning off a light.

“He has a fascination with electronics,” Glassburn said, adding that the resident has special needs and would not be identified to protect his privacy.

The inventor and other residents of his home had no idea that the device was wreaking havoc on the neighbourhood, he said, until Glassburn and a volunteer with expertise in radio frequencies knocked on the door.

“The way he designed it, it was persistently putting out a 315 megahertz signal,” Glassburn said. That is the frequency many car fobs and garage door openers rely on.

“There was no malicious intent of the device,” he said in a statement.
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Re: Homemade device creates RF interference in Ohio, USA
« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2019, 06:31:51 pm »
Back in high school, I found a large (0.5 m3) navy gray high voltage transformer with 3 inch tall secondary ceramic output terminals.  I got some 1/4 inch copper tubing and bolted a couple of 1m lengths onto the output standoff terminals.  I bent them into a V shape and made a gigantic Jacob's Ladder.  It was spectacular. By the time the arc reached the top of the V, it was a giant flame (reminiscent of the Eye of Sauron).  We found out the next day that it knocked out radio and TV reception for several blocks in the neighborhood.
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