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My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« on: September 09, 2022, 01:16:14 am »
Politics are not allowed but I think that this renders a post.

My condolences. Please keep it civil in accordance to the forum rules.
 
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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2022, 01:49:08 am »
It's hugely sad news of course, London bridge has fallen.

Almost certainly game changing for Australia. We had a referendum in 1999 to become a republic and it was only barely rejected back then.
The Queen is the one who held the entire system together for 70 years, now that she's gone I fully expect another referendum within the next year, and I would expect it to pass this time. Hardly anyone likes Charles.
So my money is Australia having an elected president instead of a Prime Minister within a few years.
 
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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2022, 02:43:40 am »
I called it. Didn't even last 24hrs.
 

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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2022, 03:45:05 am »
I called it. Didn't even last 24hrs.

Poor old girl wasn't even cold.
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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2022, 04:09:53 am »
Sad partly because she generally did way more good than any harm on balance over decades.  :-+

But the Elephant soon to enter the room as King just will not remain undiscussed in this country at least. The only reason the unelected mob on the other side of the planet were not removed last time was because of the loaded question put to us and the generally good feeling about the Queen. Rephrase the Question with King Chuck in place is an easy 10-15% change.

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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2022, 09:01:44 am »
Well that didn't take long for genuine condolence to turn into 'all about Australian politics'. Shame on you Dave!  :(
Best Regards, Chris
 
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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2022, 09:12:42 am »
Well that didn't take long for genuine condolence to turn into 'all about Australian politics'. Shame on you Dave!  :(

This debate has about zero to do with Australian 'politics' and has everything to do with our current 'historic legal relationship' with an unelected Monarch and what is to follow after the Queen's sad passing. If you had any idea about how this country felt about the Monarchy before and in particular King Chuck that will follow then you would know it crosses ALL political views on the for and against.
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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2022, 09:21:34 am »
Queen Elizabeth was a kind and cheerful person and she was very respected all over the world (she gained that respect). So, I guess, very many people feel sad now, and me too. An epoch has gone. :(
 
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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2022, 09:24:00 am »
Well that didn't take long for genuine condolence to turn into 'all about Australian politics'. Shame on you Dave!  :(

This debate has about zero to do with Australian 'politics' and has everything to do with our current 'historic legal relationship' with an unelected Monarch and what is to follow after the Queen's sad passing. If you had any idea about how this country felt about the Monarchy before and in particular King Chuck that will follow then you would know it crosses ALL political views on the for and against.

I really don't give a damn how your country feels about the Monarchy, that's your business but as far as I'm concerned you have pro and anti politicians, lobbies and public opinions on a referendum.

We are a country in mourning and the OP expressed genuine condolence for the loss of our, and the Comonwealth's Monarch, who was deeply respected on the world stage and somebody who has always been in our lives. If you want to discuss your local 'non politics' then I suggest that you show some respect and take it somewhere else.
Best Regards, Chris
 
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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2022, 09:24:38 am »
Queen Elizabeth was a kind and cheerful person and she was very respected all over the world (she gained that respect). So, I guess, very many people feel sad now, and me too. An epoch has gone. :(

Well said!
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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2022, 09:27:02 am »
Well that didn't take long for genuine condolence to turn into 'all about Australian politics'. Shame on you Dave!  :(

This debate has about zero to do with Australian 'politics' and has everything to do with our current 'historic legal relationship' with an unelected Monarch and what is to follow after the Queen's sad passing. If you had any idea about how this country felt about the Monarchy before and in particular King Chuck that will follow then you would know it crosses ALL political views on the for and against.

I really don't give a damn how your country feels about the Monarchy, that's your business but as far as I'm concerned you have pro and anti politicians, lobbies and public opinions on a referendum.

We are a country in mourning and the OP expressed genuine condolence for the loss of our, and the Comonwealth's Monarch, who was deeply respected on the world stage and somebody who has always been in our lives. If you want to discuss your local 'non politics' then I suggest that you show some respect and take it somewhere else.

Seriously YOU are pushing YOUR view down our throats so How in hell is that 'different' Pull your head in preacher!
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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2022, 09:30:00 am »
Lock the thread!  >:(
Best Regards, Chris
 

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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2022, 09:30:46 am »
As someone who has no direct connection to the monarchy I can honestly say that most of the world will miss her and rue her passing.  A nice and thoughtful lady.

I hope most can offer respect for the individual regardless of their opinion of the office.
 
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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2022, 09:32:29 am »
Lock the thread!  >:(

You really need to READ what has been said about her we are all saddened by her loss and ALL have said positive things about her. You arrived here fists swinging!
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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2022, 09:43:40 am »
Ok, sadness is deep here, as are sensitivities. It was inappropriate / insensitive for Dave to immediately bring up Australian referendums, where his money was and his '#RepublicNow' banner.
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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2022, 09:48:43 am »
Looks like it was a mistake when I created this thread.

My objective was into giving proper recognition and condolences as a Portuguese citizen, and as the oldest continuous alliance in the world.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/uk-portugal-joint-declaration-on-bilateral-cooperation/uk-portugal-joint-declaration-on-bilateral-cooperation

As someone who have a lot of recognition and respect from what the UK had achieved (sometimes even envy when compared with my own birth country), who have tons of Nationals as his friends and close contacts (from England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland), who visit their country more times that I remember counting and made an enormous force when a kid to learn the language and story of a country who was not his but had a ton of respect for.

I don't care about politics so I probably thought (wrongly) that this could not been spin into a politics thread. But looks like I forgot to account for the feelings of others.

Sorry then.
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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2022, 09:55:31 am »
Sorry @Black Phoenix, not your fault. Your thoughts and condoloences were clearly very genuine.
Best Regards, Chris
 
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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2022, 10:16:37 am »
Indeed.  Black Phoenix, you have nothing for which to apologise.

I, for one, have had a respect and admiration for the Queen who performed a duty expected of her in a role she never sought - but more that she has done so in an exemplary manner.

She is the only monarch I have known - and I can still remember the portrait of her hanging in our classrooms back in primary school.  Today is a day where things have changed in a way that the people of the Commonwealth (and a chunk of the world) will have never experienced in their lives.  It is a day of great sadness.


To those mourning in the UK (and elsewhere), please know this: There are quite a few of us here in Oz that not only understand your grief, but share in it.
 
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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2022, 10:28:47 am »
I'm not pro-Royal Family, and I think they should just be treated as a normal family without any constitutional significance.

Still, it was pretty sad to hear the news, and the best wishes to her family.

Having a King will be odd, and I think it could well strain the relationship with the Monarchy in the UK and Commonwealth.  (A fun, side-fact, it is for Elizabeth II that we refer to the "Royal Family" and not the "Monarchy", which was the prior terminology.  It does make them seem all the more approachable.)
 

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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2022, 10:44:09 am »
It's crazy to me that anyone could take a look at modern Britain or Australia and decide that the thing we really need is MORE "democracy" or MORE elected officials.

HM The Queen transcended all that nonsense. In an age of insanity, she was the one constant that anchored us in tradition and to the wisdom and glories of the past. I don't know about anyone else but my main feeling at this time is one of dread.
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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2022, 11:11:31 am »
... she was the one constant that anchored us in tradition and to the wisdom and glories of the past.

The world does not have a monolithic view, especially on an issue as big and as "historical" as UK's monarchy leader based on UK's "adventures" throughout the world for past centuries. She was the "symbol" of the adventures.

In some part of the world, the views (example below) are even far more extreme than Dave's, and its understandable from their POV and their history.

Carnegie Mellon professor wishes Queen Elizabeth ‘excruciating pain’ as she ‘finally’ dies

 -> https://www.foxnews.com/us/carnegie-mellon-professor-wishes-queen-elizabeth-excruciating-pain-she-finally-dies


Freedom of expression maybe ?  :-//

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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2022, 11:17:58 am »
... she was the one constant that anchored us in tradition and to the wisdom and glories of the past.

The world does not have a monolithic view, especially on an issue as big and as "historical" as UK's monarchy leader based on UK's "adventures" throughout the world for past centuries. She was the "symbol" of the adventures.

In some part of the world, the views (example below) are even far more extreme than Dave's, and its understandable from their POV and their history.

Carnegie Mellon professor wishes Queen Elizabeth ‘excruciating pain’ as she ‘finally’ dies

 -> https://www.foxnews.com/us/carnegie-mellon-professor-wishes-queen-elizabeth-excruciating-pain-she-finally-dies


Freedom of expression maybe ?  :-//

The joke of it here, most monarchists can at least understand someone's wish not have a British Monarch rule over them, yet they then follow up with "Instead of ER, I want this guy here to rule over me."

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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2022, 11:28:23 am »
No matter what someone’s political or Commonwealth views may be. Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II was an example to us all. She gave her whole adult life to the Role of Queen and took her responsibilities extremely seriously to the very end. Such self sacrifice is indeed rare and evidence of an amazing person. It is for these reasons that we love our Queen so much. Will we ever again see a person so committed to their role and unflinching in the face of a workload that would have many running for the hills ? I think it unlikely. Later generations appear less inclined to give up their normal lives for the greater good.

It is not about her title, it is all about the amazing person who was Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II.

My thoughts are with her family, as to them she was a Mother, Grandmother and Great Grandmother. Losing family is a horrible experience, royalty or not. We are all human.

I am grateful to the OP for this thread but, in my heart, knew it would lead to some controversial posts. That is just the sad World that we live in.

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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2022, 11:36:30 am »
As for Uja Anya, words fail me and she will live to regret her outburst of hate. She is indeed fortunate to live in a country that celebrates freedom of expression and speech. She forgot a very important detail though….. what you write on the Internet is FOREVER, and the following applies …..

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt !

May Uja Anya be shamed by her horrendous statement for the rest of her life. She brought it upon herself.
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