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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #25 on: September 09, 2022, 11:52:31 am »
As for Uja Anja, words fail me and he will live to regret his outburst of hate. He is indeed fortunate to live in a country that celebrates freedom of expression and speech. He forgot a very important detail though….. what you write on the Internet is FOREVER, and the following applies …..

That's exactly why I don't get too offended because I really do want to understand what happened and how they got to that point.

I doesn't help sometimes when I'm less tolerant and just say something like "Show me on the doll where Her Maj hurt you."  :(

I think you had to be young during Her prime to appreciate QEII. All those pink countries on the map and such. Those old enough know what I'm talking about.

For example, She inspired generations of women yet the most recent generation rejects it in favour of looking to such bazaar role models.

edit pink not purple.
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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2022, 12:19:38 pm »
If you aussys are looking for a president to replace the queen we've got a boris going spare you can have,free of charge.If you promise to keep him we'll even throw in the p+p.
 
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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2022, 12:52:20 pm »
I think, it is Uju Anya:
https://ujuanya.com/

The Independent about this case:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/uju-anya-carnegie-mellon-university-queen-b2163324.html

And if you see the story of the reply to her tweet after the one who caused all, there is support for both sides, both in favour and against.

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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #28 on: September 09, 2022, 01:01:46 pm »
As for Uja Anja, words fail me and he will live to regret his outburst of hate. He is indeed fortunate to live in a country that celebrates freedom of expression and speech. He forgot a very important detail though….. what you write on the Internet is FOREVER, and the following applies …..

That's exactly why I don't get too offended because I really do want to understand what happened and how they got to that point.

I doesn't help sometimes when I'm less tolerant and just say something like "Show me on the doll where Her Maj hurt you."  :(

I think you had to be young during Her prime to appreciate QEII. All those purple countries on the map and such. Those old enough know what I'm talking about.

For example, She inspired generations of women yet the most recent generation rejects it in favour of looking to such bazaar role models.
Those countries were pink when I was a kid.
Hey!---Guess what? I remember King George VI dying!
 
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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #29 on: September 09, 2022, 01:05:25 pm »
As for Uja Anja, words fail me and he will live to regret his outburst of hate. He is indeed fortunate to live in a country that celebrates freedom of expression and speech. He forgot a very important detail though….. what you write on the Internet is FOREVER, and the following applies …..

That's exactly why I don't get too offended because I really do want to understand what happened and how they got to that point.

I doesn't help sometimes when I'm less tolerant and just say something like "Show me on the doll where Her Maj hurt you."  :(

I think you had to be young during Her prime to appreciate QEII. All those purple countries on the map and such. Those old enough know what I'm talking about.

For example, She inspired generations of women yet the most recent generation rejects it in favour of looking to such bazaar role models.
Those countries were pink when I was a kid.
Hey!---Guess what? I remember King George VI dying!

Shit! You're right. Pink. Maybe I need to install that solder fumes extractor.

Pink things look purple with these rose colored glasses.  :-[
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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #30 on: September 09, 2022, 01:06:21 pm »
One thing that Royalists always come up with is the idea that having a Monarch is "a bulwark against  Authoritarianism".
Of the Axis powers in WW2, only Germany was a Republic---Italy & Japan were Constitutional Monarchies!
 
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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #31 on: September 09, 2022, 05:15:40 pm »
Since it's been mostly Aussies and Brits in this thread, I thought I'd chime in.

Although we Americans gave the British monarchy the heave-ho 250 years ago, we don't want to see the British monarchy go away because it provides us with lots of entertainment following the crazy antics of the royals in the papers and on the news.
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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #32 on: September 09, 2022, 05:32:56 pm »
As for Uja Anya, words fail me and she will live to regret her outburst of hate. She is indeed fortunate to live in a country that celebrates freedom of expression and speech. She forgot a very important detail though….. what you write on the Internet is FOREVER, and the following applies …..

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt !

May Uja Anya be shamed by her horrendous statement for the rest of her life. She brought it upon herself.

Unfortunately I doubt it. The rules are different for some groups than for others.
 

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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #33 on: September 09, 2022, 08:28:57 pm »
My condolences as well.  She was the last of her kind -- the last world leader who served in the armed forces during WW II.

The UK and The World will miss her.  I am not sure anyone in the current line of succession will in their life time garners the respect she earned in her life time  from both friends and foes.
 
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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #34 on: September 09, 2022, 08:50:32 pm »
... she was the one constant that anchored us in tradition and to the wisdom and glories of the past.

The world does not have a monolithic view, especially on an issue as big and as "historical" as UK's monarchy leader based on UK's "adventures" throughout the world for past centuries. She was the "symbol" of the adventures.

In some part of the world, the views (example below) are even far more extreme than Dave's, and its understandable from their POV and their history.

Carnegie Mellon professor wishes Queen Elizabeth ‘excruciating pain’ as she ‘finally’ dies

 -> https://www.foxnews.com/us/carnegie-mellon-professor-wishes-queen-elizabeth-excruciating-pain-she-finally-dies


Freedom of expression maybe ?  :-//

I was quite clearly referring to British and Australian subjects with my use of "us", though I suppose I would extend that to the other Anglo Saxon dominions too.

I was not addressing "the world" and frankly am unconcerned with what "the world" thinks, let alone some insane, resentful, self-pittying savage from some hellhole of a US university humanities department.

That you would repeat and proliferate her nonsense here and declare that it is "understandable" reveals much about you. A disgraceful statement to make.
 

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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #35 on: September 09, 2022, 09:53:39 pm »
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In some part of the world, the views (example below) are even far more extreme than Dave's, and its understandable from their POV and their history.

I think you can be not keen on someone and still be respectful of their passing. I really REALLY loath Boris, for instance, and would hope he pays a big price for what he's done to the UK. But if he kicked the bucket tomorrow I'd be sad for him as a fellow human and would refrain from disrupting his family's and associates' mourning. Most emphatically, I wouldn't be celebrating his death.

I think it's also worth remembering that the Queen represented the Monarchy, just as Boris represents the Government, and whatever you think about the benefits of keeping or losing those, you are arguing about the institutions rather than the person who just happens to be the current figurehead. The Queen was an actual person who had her own feelings and direction. In her case she put herself second, behind the country, for seven decades. No-one could have asked for more from her, and she couldn't have given more.

Surely most of us aren't brought up badly enough that we can't wait just a day or two, to allow for the usual celebration of someone's life, before going on the attack again against an institution they just happened to be born into.
 
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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #36 on: September 09, 2022, 10:15:09 pm »
Beautifully put Dunkemhigh  :clap:
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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #37 on: September 09, 2022, 11:23:43 pm »

Surely most of us aren't brought up badly enough that we can't wait just a day or two..

Has enough time elapsed yet? Because I've got memes. A lot of memes.
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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #38 on: September 09, 2022, 11:54:14 pm »
From a fellow Portuguese citizen (although born and raised in Brasil - long history there) to another, I also feel sad about the passing of the leader of our longest allied country and extend the respect to our fellow British and commonwealth folks.

The time is for mourning and respect for the ones that remain, regardless of personal views on the figurehead.  Although free will is a God granted right that the western world has been able to maintain with a reasonable level of success, some will take that right to sad extents and say things that are not congruent with the humanity of the ones mourning the occasion. Oh well, we can only hope that someday they will see the insensitivity of their words and actions.
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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #39 on: September 10, 2022, 12:03:30 am »
A half hour video examining the gravity of the event..

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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #40 on: September 10, 2022, 12:33:40 am »
For those interested in how this is all carried off (because it has to be well organised), this is a Long Read from The Guardian detailing it all. Written in 2017 but still mostly applicable (it's been in the planning for a loooong time):

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/16/what-happens-when-queen-elizabeth-dies-london-bridge
 

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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #41 on: September 10, 2022, 12:36:16 am »
Almost certainly game changing for Australia. We had a referendum in 1999 to become a republic and it was only barely rejected back then.
The Queen is the one who held the entire system together for 70 years, now that she's gone I fully expect another referendum within the next year, and I would expect it to pass this time. Hardly anyone likes Charles.

Yeah. Oddly enough - as "republics" are kinda the norm now in the West for the most part - I don't think it would be good news for Australia either. Nor that it is for the UK itself, as it's possibly going to change as well in some ways.

So my money is Australia having an elected president instead of a Prime Minister within a few years.

That would be my bet as well.
 

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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #42 on: September 10, 2022, 01:30:24 am »
Politics aside, queen Elizabeth was one heck of a non political head of state, who had an impressive work ethic, devoting her life to the country. This is the end of an era, the like of which we will never see.

May her soul rest in peace.
 
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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #43 on: September 10, 2022, 10:53:40 am »
An interesting piece written by Neil Mackay of The Herald, Scotland. Food for thought and I agree with many of his views. I am not anti monarchy however. We live in a very troubled World and the situation is not looking like it will improve any time soon  :'(

Maybe that is why I enjoy interacting with the pleasant people that I have found on this most excellent forum. I distance myself from those who would have a negative impact upon my happiness  :-+


By Neil Mackay
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Neil Mackay: The tidal wave of hate toward the Queen made me ashamed to be a human being

THE torrent of hate and cruelty across the world on social media in response to the death of the Queen was astonishing in its ferocity and callousness. It speaks of something deeply damaged - ruined - within the souls of so many of our fellow men and women.

I felt ashamed yesterday not just as an anti-monarchist, but as a member of a species - the human race - which has among it those who hold such hatred in their breast. Anyone who cannot extend empathy to a fellow human being at the moment of their death has some terrible shadow on their soul. If they cannot be kind, then at least stay silent. Do not dance upon a grave. We must ask: what world have we created that there’s those among us who bear such deep wells of gleeful hatred, such proud sadism.

As an anti-monarchist, I’ve never held animosity towards Queen Elizabeth. It’s the institution of monarchy I’ve a problem with, not the fellow human upon the throne. The Queen was born into her position - indeed, that’s part of the problem many republicans like me have with monarchy - she didn’t seize her title or force herself on Britain.

The viciousness - the inhumanity - towards the Queen as she was dying didn’t just come from these islands. Far from it. The tidal wave of mockery and sick delight swept the world. It cut across all demographics of race, gender and age.

Much focus has fallen Dr Uju Anya, a professor at America’s Carnegie Mellon University in Pennsylvania. She wrote of the Queen, “may her pain be excruciating”, and said: “I heard the chief monarch of a thieving raping genocidal empire is finally dying.”

Like many citizens of this country, I detest Britain’s colonial past, and have long argued that as a nation we must confront our legacy of racism and empire with unstinting honesty. However, one cannot blame the Queen for the sins of empire, or the sins of Britain which took place during her reign. A constitutional monarch is a figurehead without power. She didn’t dispatch troops. Prime Ministers did. If there’s understandable rage, then direct it at the right people, not an elderly woman on her deathbed.

It’s quite something to say that there were indeed many more - millions in fact - comments which far exceeded Anya’s dreadful statement.

Yesterday, it chilled me as a human being - it still chills me - to think that there’s so many people out there filled with such devastating hatred, and prepared to aim it in any direction.

We can no longer claim that what happens online stays online. The people who post these terrible things live in the real world. They carry in their hearts the same words and hate which they serve up digitally. They’re free to speak as they please, but they represent something truly terrible in humanity.

What have we done to create this world? This is a matter for political leaders and philosophers to unravel, because we can no longer blithely accept a world which has such a cancer in its soul.

Yet Britain must also learn from this hate. Obviously, these terrible comments shouldn’t have been aimed at the Queen, but our nation is clearly widely despised internationally for our past actions. We must realise that, accept it, and respond to it. Perhaps, if we’d honestly acknowledged the dreadful things done in Britain’s name over the centuries and the decades, the cruel and soulless people who couldn’t even find it within them to keep a respectful silence as a woman died wouldn’t have found a platform for their terrible inhumanity.

Article taken from here:

https://www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/21253190.neil-mackay-tidal-wave-hate-toward-queen-made-ashamed-human/
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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #44 on: September 10, 2022, 11:00:19 am »
Politics aside, queen Elizabeth was one heck of a non political head of state, who had an impressive work ethic, devoting her life to the country. This is the end of an era, the like of which we will never see.

I suspect it's not possible to find a better example.
70 years of steady bedrock amid a turbulent and tumultuous world.
I won't post the video, but I saw Jordan Peterson's take on it today and it was very interesting.
 
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Re: My condolences to my UK and Commonwealth mates
« Reply #45 on: September 10, 2022, 01:57:59 pm »
JP "..well..[6secs]..maybe we will wise-up and recognize that we have something absolutely precious to guard.."
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