NBN Internet Install

[EEVblog]

Just got an email from my strata manager at the lab, and surprise, surprise, the NBN is going to installed in my building 

But this has me baffled:

At this stage, the only concern of substance that I foresee is the location of the ICD’s which are proposed to be on the ceiling in front of each suite. I attach a sample picture of an ICD for your reference. The ICD is essentially the “connection point” for each suite’s telecommunication equipment to the NBN network. My simple understanding of this is that having the connection point located externally will facilitate a quick installation, and assist making future maintenance issues less inconvenient to resolve. This appears to be the most sensible approach to having the equipment installed and is therefore how I propose to allow the installations to proceed. This will have an impact on the aesthetic of the building however this approach will be adopted by many throughout the business park (and Australia wide for that matter) – as such I think it will be adopted/accepted much like the presence of meter rooms and fire safety cabinets in the common areas.

Why does this have to be in front of the door on the ceiling? I don't get it? 

[Andy Watson]

Why does this have to be in front of the door on the ceiling? I don't get it? 

Just guessing: The door is the one location, per room, that you can almost guarantee you will  not be drilling through a load-bearing element of the building in order to get wires to the other side. It is also the one position inside the room that will not be blocked by office furniture or fittings. I guess that putting it the roof means that there is a ready made cavity to hide the excess wiring in - as per your photo

[EEVblog]

BTW, our office building has the usual drop ceiling and tiles, so I can't see why this plate is needed? (wrong info perhaps?) 

[madires]

Looks like a SC connector with a SC-SC coupler (for patch panels) attached.

[wraper]

They should have renamed it already. To something like OCN - outdated crappy network.

[EEVblog]

They should have renamed it already. To something like OCN - outdated crappy network.

I share the NBN jokes, but fact is in the few months I'll have NBN fibre to to front door of my lab.
100M/100M unlimited for $99 a month is massively compelling.
The Vocus fibre I'm coincidentally looking at getting installed at the moment is $380/month for 200M/200M unlimited.

[TheBay]

They should have renamed it already. To something like OCN - outdated crappy network.

I share the NBN jokes, but fact is in the few months I'll have NBN fibre to to front door of my lab.
100M/100M unlimited for $99 a month is massively compelling.
The Vocus fibre I'm coincidentally looking at getting installed at the moment is $380/month for 200M/200M unlimited.

HOW MUCH!, we can get around 200Mbps over here for £35 P/M, however our upload speeds are dire @12Mbps.
That's fiber to the cabinet and then coax to the home/business.

[wraper]

They should have renamed it already. To something like OCN - outdated crappy network.

I share the NBN jokes, but fact is in the few months I'll have NBN fibre to to front door of my lab.
100M/100M unlimited for $99 a month is massively compelling.
The Vocus fibre I'm coincidentally looking at getting installed at the moment is $380/month for 200M/200M unlimited.

I have unlimited 400M/200M (in practice 400M/400M) FTTP for EUR 23/month, including IPTV

[TheBay]

They should have renamed it already. To something like OCN - outdated crappy network.

I share the NBN jokes, but fact is in the few months I'll have NBN fibre to to front door of my lab.
100M/100M unlimited for $99 a month is massively compelling.
The Vocus fibre I'm coincidentally looking at getting installed at the moment is $380/month for 200M/200M unlimited.

I have unlimited 400M/200M (in practice 400M/400M) FTTP for EUR 23/month, including IPTV

That's really impressive! We can get just over 300M but they have gimped upload speeds.

[wraper]

100M/100M unlimited for $99 a month is massively compelling.

As I understand you are among a few very lucky to get FTTP and not that FTTN crap.

[Brumby]

They should have renamed it already. To something like OCN - outdated crappy network.

I share the NBN jokes, but fact is in the few months I'll have NBN fibre to to front door of my lab.
100M/100M unlimited for $99 a month is massively compelling.
The Vocus fibre I'm coincidentally looking at getting installed at the moment is $380/month for 200M/200M unlimited.

I have unlimited 400M/200M (in practice 400M/400M) FTTP for EUR 23/month, including IPTV

I hate you.

[Monkeh]

Why does this have to be in front of the door on the ceiling? I don't get it? 

Clearly identifies which suite it belongs to and leaves the termination point accessible to the operator. Same way most phone networks place a termination on the outside of the property and leave the cabling to the inside to the customer. This way they also don't require any access to the suite to get it that far.

You just use a coupler to bring that fibre across into your ceiling space and take it wherever you like, preterminated patches are dirt cheap, just don't forget it's angle polished.

[GreyWoolfe]

I am part of the itty bitty IP committee.  50M down 12M up.  All this bundled with phone and cable TV for $160 USD a month.  The company gives me $60 a month towards my internet cost.

[rdl]

I pay $70 for 30M down, 7M up, and crap quality SD basic cable. They claim they don't offer internet only at that speed, and that's the slowest service available, so my bill is as low as it can go. Luckily AT&T just moved in with their high speed service. I'll be talking to them soon, but I spoke with one of their people before the service was ready and he indicated they could do internet only at equal or better speed than Comcast for nearly half the price.

[Someone]

Why does this have to be in front of the door on the ceiling? I don't get it? 

Clearly identifies which suite it belongs to and leaves the termination point accessible to the operator. Same way most phone networks place a termination on the outside of the property and leave the cabling to the inside to the customer. This way they also don't require any access to the suite to get it that far.

The last part sounds like the critical issue, this way contractors can install (and maintain???) the demarcation point without having to organise access and supervision in each of the numerous suites. Most people would not be impressed if random outside contractor was allowed into their office without their approval and presence.

You just use a coupler to bring that fibre across into your ceiling space and take it wherever you like, preterminated patches are dirt cheap, just don't forget it's angle polished.

It all depends on how the (physical) firewalls are arranged in the building.

[Brumby]

Back onto the install ....

I daresay the delivery of a connection into your office in the roof space is one of pragmatism ... and cost.

The cost element is obvious.  The location is one where, as has been pointed out, there will not be any difficulties for delivery, so once they've put fibre into your office - they've fulfilled their obligation and will quickly scamper.

The pragmatic element comes from not having to determine where in the office the occupant wants the fibre to go, nor the hassles of getting it there.  Picking the same delivery point means that there is no question where the service has been run ... for any commercial site.


As for the plate ... with a suspended ceiling, I suspect they will just drop the end on the back of tile just inside your doorway.  From what I would think, a plate is used for access in a solid ceiling, something unnecessary for suspended ceilings.  It's also going to be quicker.  If it was me, I'd stick a paper strip with "NBN fibre" on it or something like that between the target tile and the ceiling frame, so you could see where to look.

[EEVblog]

And what happens today at my new office out of the blue?
NBN! 
Right the hell in front of my office door!
Time to check the T&C on that ISP plan I just took out...
The install guy recons it will still be a few months though.

[Brumby]

And what happens today at my new office out of the blue?
NBN! 
Right the hell in front of my office door!
Time to check the T&C on that ISP plan I just took out...
The install guy recons it will still be a few months though.

So ..... NBN Co reads this forum too...?

[AntiProtonBoy]

I wish Malcom did.

[Halcyon]

So ..... NBN Co reads this forum too...?

I doubt they give a crap. It's certainly the impression I have after dealing with them.

I've had an NBN connection at my place. Brand new cabling from the street all the way through the house. Yet, despite the node being 800 metres away, I'm subject to dropouts and lower connection speed than expected. Their response: "We acknowledge is a fault somewhere between your house and the node. We don't know when it'll be fixed". I've been told it could take 6 months, 12 months, longer? No one can answer it.

I know what the problem is -- It's the old copper cabling in the street that has been there for many years that should have been ripped out and replaced with fibre when they did the initial rollout. Oh but no, they'd rather waste their time, energy and money chasing a problem that shouldn't exist.

In the meantime, until it's fixed, Telstra have knocked some $20 off the monthly bill, so I guess that's something.

[Zero999]

They should have renamed it already. To something like OCN - outdated crappy network.

I share the NBN jokes, but fact is in the few months I'll have NBN fibre to to front door of my lab.
100M/100M unlimited for $99 a month is massively compelling.
The Vocus fibre I'm coincidentally looking at getting installed at the moment is $380/month for 200M/200M unlimited.

I have unlimited 400M/200M (in practice 400M/400M) FTTP for EUR 23/month, including IPTV

Australia is notorious for having expensive broadband, so Dave is probably getting a good deal, considering his location.

[Rerouter]

Halcyon, If you have a good idea of how your line is run, bend up a tool to lift the lids on the junction nodes, take some pictures, then close it up and move to the next one,

On my own line 50m and 900m up the street there where 2 junction boxes sealed by tape and a shopping bag, emailing through the images lead to a 3 week turnaround to fix compared to 7 months i was originally given, bumped me from 2mb to 1.5MB, which i would call a success, still ended up going to cable for 100/12 speeds, as i was still being effected by the rain.

Note dont touch anything in the pits, that would bring some legalese into the mess.