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| WHO USED ALL THE HOT WATER!!! Need a simple temperature data logger ** UPDATE ** |
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| Kim Christensen:
--- Quote from: Brumby on August 22, 2023, 12:33:23 am ---But you didn't NEED to know about the camera. You were already told that the head of the household had the means to determine the required information. Even I didn't need to know exactly how they were going to do that. --- End quote --- Well, knowing about it stops me from suggesting ideas that are not fitting. You see, I have no idea how large this "household" is... It now sounds more like a rooming house rather than the single family dwelling that I imagined initially. So my assumption, not knowing there was a camera, was that Mom was seeing her 5 kids coming and going from the bathroom to shower for the morning rush. So I thought, "what would be the problem with her also noting how long the water was running?" Lack of information makes people fill in the blanks. --- Quote ---I appreciate what you are saying, but the idea is to have the data displayed on a chart, so that the usage profile can be seen at a glance, hence a data logger is the way to go. However, I suppose having the audio available as well could be useful - but it's on the opposite side of the building and adding this functionality falls under the dreaded umbrella of "feature creep". --- End quote --- I mentioned it because you said that the person was stubborn and difficult. I can just see someone like that saying the "data displayed on a chart" doesn't align with the video footage. They'd say something like, "You faked the dates. The clocks aren't in sync. Your hobby project is flawed, etc." It's a lot harder to deny when its on video with all data right there in one place on a commercial machine. |
| Brumby:
--- Quote from: Kim Christensen on August 22, 2023, 02:52:16 am ---Well, knowing about it stops me from suggesting ideas that are not fitting. --- End quote --- Only the head of the household needs to know how to identify the parties. That fact alone should have stopped you from "suggesting ideas that are not fitting". --- Quote ---Lack of information makes people fill in the blanks. --- End quote --- You need to be a bit more discerning as to which "blanks" are relevant and which are not. As stated earlier: --- Quote from: Brumby on August 20, 2023, 10:00:17 am --- --- Quote from: RoGeorge on August 20, 2023, 08:00:15 am ---And that still won't tell who used all the hot water, unless you add webcams at the girls college dorm showers. ;D --- End quote --- That is not a problem I have to address. If I simply make the times known, the head of the household can work that out. --- End quote --- In regards to the audio recording: --- Quote ---I mentioned it because you said that the person was stubborn and difficult. I can just see someone like that saying the "data displayed on a chart" doesn't align with the video footage. They'd say something like, "You faked the dates. The clocks aren't in sync. Your hobby project is flawed, etc." It's a lot harder to deny when its on video with all data right there in one place on a commercial machine. --- End quote --- Your point is well taken and, in general, valid. However, while not impossible, in this case I do not feel such a response would be likely. In any case, the additional complexity introduced makes the job more difficult and time consuming. The simple fact of presenting time and duration information is likely to get the desired effect. |
| Brumby:
--- Quote from: tautech on August 22, 2023, 01:50:05 am --- --- Quote from: Brumby on August 22, 2023, 12:47:04 am --- --- Quote from: ledtester on August 21, 2023, 06:22:48 pm ---Install a instant hot water electric shower head like this one: --- End quote --- Love the wiring! <<shudder>> but, no. 1. Situation prevents plumbing alterations. (No, you don't need to know why.) 2. Same for electrical 3. Instantaneous water runs at full electrical tariff, so it will cost far more to run 4. Doesn't address the problem of the shower hog, in fact, it enables them I will repeat my plea to all - Changing the hot water system is not a solution here! --- End quote --- 55 replies and these 2 facts weren't included in the OP. :-// --- End quote --- The brief was clear - a monitoring solution. As such, all the behind-the-scenes details, constraints and reasons that had no bearing on providing a monitoring solution were irrelevant. If you consider the fact that this is an Electronics forum, then asking for help about monitoring here is reasonable. People suggesting changes to the plumbing were reading past the stated objective and inserting their own objectives. Asking plumbing questions here is a bit off-topic, I would have thought. Next time I'll just say I need to monitor the flow of water from a hot water system and leave out any other details so people can focus on the declared objective. |
| Kim Christensen:
--- Quote from: Brumby on August 22, 2023, 03:22:01 am ---You need to be a bit more discerning as to which "blanks" are relevant and which are not. --- End quote --- I will try and brush up on my mind reading skills. No promises. |
| Brumby:
All good. |
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