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SiliconWizard:
Ukraine and Russia are also major suppliers of fertilizers, so that's probably a bigger source of concern than neon, to be honest. The man's gotta eat.
CatalinaWOW:
To give more meat to the arguments presented previously, the big markets for liquified gases are nitrogen, oxygen and argon.   All of those boil in the 77 to 90 Kelvin range.  Neon boils at 27, a whole different world of cryo.  Another whole layer on the normal product of the common gases.  Then add that Neon is only about 0.002 percent of the atmosphere (compare to Argon at 0.9 percent).

You really have to want it to get it at all, and then getting it really pure kicks it up another couple notches.

I wonder if the original plant investment in the Ukraine came from the Soviet era when market forces weren't predominant in deciding what to do?
Sal Ammoniac:

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Ahem. I believe the official name for it is 'Ukraine'. Pays to get this right at the moment :)

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Why? He's in the Britain.

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Which is part of the UK, formally part of the EU.

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Actually, the UK is formerly part of the EU.
Zero999:

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--- Quote ---The Ukraine
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Ahem. I believe the official name for it is 'Ukraine'. Pays to get this right at the moment :)

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Why? He's in the Britain.

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Which is part of the UK, formally part of the EU.

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Actually, the UK is formerly part of the EU.

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Read my post again. :palm:

--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on March 16, 2022, 06:26:29 pm ---Ukraine and Russia are also major suppliers of fertilizers, so that's probably a bigger source of concern than neon, to be honest. The man's gotta eat.


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And wheat. I really hope the farmers are sowing, rather than fighting, otherwise there will be food shortages.
dmills:

--- Quote from: CatalinaWOW on March 16, 2022, 06:56:36 pm ---Neon boils at 27, a whole different world of cryo.  Another whole layer on the normal product of the common gases. 

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So whatever does **not** condense in the normal high volume cryo plant is probably mostly neon?

Sure you have to take that dribble of cold gas and do a whole load of post processing, but getting at the raw (concentrated) feedstock does not feel like it should be a problem for Air Liquide or BOC of whoever if the incentive is there to add the post processing magic.

I think we have bigger issues, lots of H-B capacity was in Ukraine and Russia, and Ammonia is sort of important.
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