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| David Hess:
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on March 16, 2022, 06:26:29 pm ---Ukraine and Russia are also major suppliers of fertilizers, so that's probably a bigger source of concern than neon, to be honest. The man's gotta eat. --- End quote --- The ammonia used for fertilizer is produced from natural gas through the Haber process, so the two are intimately linked. When natural gas prices rise, fertilizer prices follow them. --- Quote from: Zero999 on March 16, 2022, 07:19:53 pm ---And wheat. I really hope the farmers are sowing, rather than fighting, otherwise there will be food shortages. --- End quote --- Fertilizer and diesel shortages within Ukraine will limit what farmers can produce, and heavy equipment like tractors is being taken into military service so will be unavailable anyway. |
| LaserSteve:
In this case it is probably a shortage due to evacuating the tiny number of mission critical persons with PhDs who actually know the process details. As well as the technicians. There are what, maybe 50-100 people in the world with the Neon refinery skill set at any given time? All of a sudden they go from "Ordinary Joe" business person to national asset in time of war. If I was in a war zone as science officer and I found an undamaged isotopic gas plant, I know it'd want to crate it up and send it to the home country.. That makes preserving people and construction drawings critical. Steve |
| Cerebus:
--- Quote from: LaserSteve on March 20, 2022, 08:58:59 pm ---If I was in a war zone as science officer and I found an undamaged isotopic gas plant, I know it'd want to crate it up and send it to the home country.. --- End quote --- If you were, one hopes you'd been adequately briefed on your obligations under the Geneva Convention relating to the protection of civilian property so you knew that you shouldn't, even if you wanted to, as that would be a war crime. It's only permissible to expropriate military materiel. Cryoin and Ingas are both civilian organisations. |
| westfw:
--- Quote ---they go from "Ordinary Joe" business person to national asset in time of war. --- End quote --- that's very optimistic. Perhaps they go from "valuable technical expert" to "soldier." While neon might be a valuable international commodity, I expect that it won't be much of a priority in wartime. "We need weapons! And Medicine. And maybe food.." |
| CatalinaWOW:
--- Quote from: Cerebus on March 20, 2022, 10:10:12 pm --- --- Quote from: LaserSteve on March 20, 2022, 08:58:59 pm ---If I was in a war zone as science officer and I found an undamaged isotopic gas plant, I know it'd want to crate it up and send it to the home country.. --- End quote --- If you were, one hopes you'd been adequately briefed on your obligations under the Geneva Convention relating to the protection of civilian property so you knew that you shouldn't, even if you wanted to, as that would be a war crime. It's only permissible to expropriate military materiel. Cryoin and Ingas are both civilian organisations. --- End quote --- I am sure that Putin and the Russians are spending a great deal of time evaluating whether their actions are compliant with the Geneva Convention. Same for the Ukrainians. War is a desperate business, and the rules are written by the victors. |
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