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| Cerebus:
--- Quote from: LaserSteve on March 21, 2022, 01:21:08 pm --- I didn't know Geneva applied to civilian industry. Thanks for the education. Steve --- End quote --- Well, most of the time we can thankfully be completely ignorant of the details as we can be with anything that we (perhaps optimistically) believe we will never have anything to do with. If you're interested in the details it's the Fourth Geneva Convention "relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War". |
| LaserSteve:
For the hope and sanity of Scope Clockers, HF Hams who use tubes, Nixie Fans, the vast consumers of Tunnel Diodes and SRDs, guitar amp users, and lovers of all things surplus Vacuum Fluorescent, the World must immediately act to end this senseless conflict. I cannot live without more IP-9 tubes! I call for immediate no fly zones over the vast home garage warehouses of antique electronic glass and "Hollow State" in both conflict Nations. OH, Save the Humans too! Steve |
| IanB:
--- Quote from: Kleinstein on March 21, 2022, 11:31:28 am ---For the chemical purification of neon I don't see large technical hurdles and very special expertise needed. So it could be relatively fast for a new plant to be set up somewhere in the US and / or western Europe or ramp up the facility in China. It is not a big thing, more like a rather special niche product. --- End quote --- The reality is that planning, designing, procuring and constructing a new plant to produce a gas like neon in industrial quantities would take a matter of years, not months, from initial concept to starting production. The only way it could be faster is if there is an existing plant that could be re-purposed. Neon is produced as a by product of air separation by fractional distillation, and there are many air separation plants in existence and many companies with this expertise. However, capturing the neon and further purifying it to the required quality for industrial consumers needs further distillation steps, which is new plant that probably doesn't exist already. |
| LaserSteve:
More correctly there were regional trace gas plants in many of the worlds existing plants. Then economics and excessive shareholder greed caused first consolidation, then closure of the regional plants. Usually citing the cost of labor, not the cost of operation. Then we go to ship the whole process overseas to "cheaper" and sell off national reserves. It is the "MBA" way and it can stifle innovation and eventually kill off the company in return for enhanced short term gain. Since in many cases the Steel Mill using the Oxygen LN2 and possibility Argon from the plant essentially subsidizes the plant, pulling off the trace gasses in vapor phase or mixed phase should not be that expensive in the first place. I work for chemical engineers, if there is any chance at all to profit from a plant's waste stream they Will find it. Steve |
| IanB:
A possibility there, is if the old plants were mothballed instead of being fully decommissioned. Re-starting a mothballed plant is much faster than starting from scratch. |
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