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SeanB:

--- Quote from: IanB on March 21, 2022, 04:04:51 pm ---A possibility there, is if the old plants were mothballed instead of being fully decommissioned. Re-starting a mothballed plant is much faster than starting from scratch.

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Not a chance, industrial plant real estate is valuable, it would have rapidly been used for something else, either for more gas condensing equipment, or simply repurposed to extend existing plant into to increase production volume. Or it would have had every part stripped out to repair existing plant, and then used for warehousing or stores, or even used for office space.

PlainName:

--- Quote from: CatalinaWOW on March 21, 2022, 01:32:30 am ---
--- Quote from: Cerebus on March 20, 2022, 10:10:12 pm ---
--- Quote from: LaserSteve on March 20, 2022, 08:58:59 pm ---If I was in a war zone as  science officer and I found an undamaged  isotopic gas plant, I know it'd  want to crate it up and send it to the home country..

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If you were, one hopes you'd been adequately briefed on your obligations under the Geneva Convention relating to the protection of civilian property so you knew that you shouldn't, even if you wanted to, as that would be a war crime. It's only permissible to expropriate military materiel. Cryoin and Ingas are both civilian organisations.

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I am sure that Putin and the Russians are spending a great deal of time evaluating whether their actions are compliant with the Geneva Convention.  Same for the Ukrainians. 

War is a desperate business, and the rules are written by the victors.

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A different scenario, perhaps more likely than Russia nicking the plant, is that they go in with the aim of destroying it. Since the West have implemented sanctions and more or less dried up any technology kit transfer, it's not like Russia would suffer much for the lack of neon whereas we would. Sounds like the perfect tit-for-tat on their part.

BravoV:

--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on March 21, 2022, 06:08:25 pm ---A different scenario, perhaps more likely than Russia nicking the plant, is that they go in with the aim of destroying it. Since the West have implemented sanctions and more or less dried up any technology kit transfer, it's not like Russia would suffer much for the lack of neon whereas we would. Sounds like the perfect tit-for-tat on their part.

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Forget about Neon, just wait until world's Palladium's stock drying up as Russia is the top exporter, catalytic converter in cars will be stolen like crazy on the street.

westfw:

--- Quote ---catalytic converter in cars will be stolen like crazy on the street.
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this is already the case. :-(

coppercone2:
ok, this takes basically steel, air and electricity to run.

The first part, steel, heavy steel, makes businesses cry because its a big capital expense.

So if airgas cuts on the exec sports car raise bonus, and invests in heavy metal, they will be able to sell neon. It will take a while to figure out that you can make things by buying equipment in today's business world (really, who would have thought?), but I am confident someone will eventually realize it. This one is a little confusing because they might be confusing neon with hot air, which they can generate ALOT of without equipment.

Ukraine has alot of nuclear power so its economical to run those there, but you can also do this in France easily.

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