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Title: Neutrions Energy
Post by: ats3788 on February 16, 2020, 05:33:33 pm
Hello my Elektronic friends
I watch a show about Neutrino Energy and it hurts so much the Problem I try to prove that this is just BS, Please help me for well explained arguments.
Have a good one
Title: Re: Neutrions Energy
Post by: Nominal Animal on February 16, 2020, 07:48:08 pm
Neutrinos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino) only interact via weak nuclear force (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weak_interaction) and gravity.

This means that to neutrinos, matter and electromagnetic fields are basically irrelevant.  Ten meters of lead, or a single sheet of tissue paper, or voltages enough to create lightning meters long, or magnetic fields stronger than our best experiments, is all useless: the neutrinos will just pass through, because they do not interact.

(And unless we use a significant fraction of the total mass of the planet Earth to build a machine to slightly deflect a neutrino here and there, there is nothing we can do with gravity.)

Claiming to develop devices for catching neutrinos -- even converting them to usable energy somehow -- is exactly as believable as someone claiming they can control clouds with their mind.  The two interact just about as much, you see: ones mind and the clouds, as neutrinos and matter and electromagnetic fields.  There is no connection, no interaction, just unrealistic beliefs.

It is just a scheme to part fools and their money.
Title: Re: Neutrions Energy
Post by: daqq on February 16, 2020, 07:52:51 pm
Name the particular show.

see: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/dodgy-technology/energy-from-neutrinos!!!/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/dodgy-technology/energy-from-neutrinos!!!/)

1) The neutrino flux through a square meter of the Earth way less than 1W/m2. That's orders of magnitude lower than classic solar power.
2) At the present there is no technology that is capable of catching neutrinos aside from a real crapton of mass.

Until anyone solves 2. there is no point in theoretizing about powering stuff via neutrinos. Once 2. is solved there will be no point in powering stuff via neutrinos due to 1.
Title: Re: Neutrions Energy
Post by: Nominal Animal on February 16, 2020, 08:04:43 pm
Another good analogy could be a device that converts birdsong into usable energy.

The only way we can even detect neutrinos is to use really, really sensitive devices shielded from everything else; much like those anechoic chambers where it is so quiet you can hear your own blood flow through your veins.

FWIW, solar irradiance on sea level on Earth is on the order of 1,000 W/m2, or a thousand times the energy of neutrinos passing through.
Title: Re: Neutrions Energy
Post by: ats3788 on February 19, 2020, 10:50:33 am
Thank you guys I wonder why even smart people believe this BS
Title: Re: Neutrions Energy
Post by: Brumby on February 19, 2020, 11:18:30 am
Because they are not smart in those areas.

But you don't even need to be smart to pick up the BS.  Usually you just need to be savvy enough to check the basics - but a good con man will sell you a story that will sound good enough for you to not even suspect you need to.