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New Eco Airplanes on the way.
« on: July 19, 2023, 09:00:44 am »
https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2023-07-18/ecotricity-boss-dale-vince-to-launch-zero-emissions-airline

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Ecotricity boss Dale Vince launches zero-emissions airline

Dale Vince, the founder of Gloucestershire-based energy company Ecotricity, has launched the world's first zero-emissions airline.

The green energy business boss and owner of Forest Green Rovers has joined forces with aviation specialists for the venture which will see the creation of a fleet of 'Ecojet' planes.

How will the zero-emissions airline work?

Ecojet’s fleet will eventually be made from conventional planes which will be fitted with hydrogen-electric power trains. The first retrofits will take place in 2025.

Until then, Ecojet will make use of kerosene fuel, until the hydrogen-electric model becomes approved for service by the Civil Aviation Authority.

Old planes will be repurposed which the businesses says is set to save 90,000 tonnes of carbon per year.

When will the airline begin to fly?

Flights across the UK will begin in 2024 with an Edinburgh to Southampton route and then expand to mainland Europe, with long-haul flights planned for the future.

Only vegan meals will be served to passengers with no single-use plastic.

Vince's sustainable approaches have been recognised since his time as owner of Forest Green Rovers - which has been named as the world's first ever carbon-neutral football club.

The multimillionaire said: "The question of how to create sustainable air travel has plagued the green movement for decades, Ecojet is by far the most significant step towards a solution to date.

"The desire to travel is deeply etched into the human spirit, and flights free of C02 emissions, powered by renewable energy will allow us to explore our incredible world without harming it for the first time."

He is a big eco nut. He is behind the likes of the stop oil protests. His firm does wind turbines and charging points already.

It's going to take some time before the CAA let's the hydrogen or even electric aircraft fly but it's on the way.
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Re: New Eco Airplanes on the way.
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2023, 09:34:25 am »
He divested his EV charging network away to Gridserve a few years ago.  The Ecotricity points were notoriously unreliable and underprovisioned (in many cases they had deals with service areas to make theirs the only option - two 50kW units being pretty typical - absolute joke).   Once it was sold to a company that actually cared about EV charging the service improved significantly, with the obsolete chargers all being replaced within a year and new sites being added.

There are apparently a few hydrogen-electric aircraft already available though only small body aircraft.  The Dash 8 has been converted into part-hydrogen-electric by a company called Universal Hydrogen. 

I suspect that the cost of retrofitting something like a 737 will be considerably more than that of a small aircraft.

That being said, bring on the competition for sustainable aviation.
 

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« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2023, 07:34:49 pm »
Greta Thunberg will be happy... :-DD
 

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Re: New Eco Airplanes on the way.
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2023, 07:36:59 pm »
Does this mean we'll be able to take lithium batteries in our luggage again?  :-DD  :scared:  |O
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« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2023, 08:49:51 pm »
Should probably go to Dodgy Tech. ;D
 

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« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2023, 08:57:03 pm »
"we're making our own greenwashed low-cost carrier with old planes other carriers got rid of. Eventually we are totally going to make hydrogen planes"

Initial retrofit 2 years out. However many years of testing and maybe eventually an approval, and then having to make their own fuel network?

Good luck have fun, try to not kill anyone because you're too cool for commercial transportation standards. Would be neat to have renewables for airplanes.

 

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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2023, 08:57:36 pm »
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Only vegan meals will be served to passengers with no single-use plastic

So this guy is is multi-nuts  :box:
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Re: New Eco Airplanes on the way.
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2023, 09:05:54 pm »
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Only vegan meals will be served to passengers with no single-use plastic

So this guy is is multi-nuts  :box:
no not at all,  he's making sure theres an  alternative  gas supply
 
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Re: New Eco Airplanes on the way.
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2023, 12:19:06 pm »
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Only vegan meals will be served to passengers with no single-use plastic

So this guy is is multi-nuts  :box:

Even the staff working for him are only allowed vegan/vegetarian food on any meals they claim when working away. They also make tea with, oat milk.
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Re: New Eco Airplanes on the way.
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2023, 02:16:56 pm »
Tea and coffee with oat milk is fine, but you need to get the oat milk that's good at high temperatures (barista type) otherwise it curdles.

I've replaced almost all of our dairy-milk consumption with oat milk;  I hardly taste the difference and it's better for my gut.
 

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« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2023, 03:16:26 pm »
Yuk. If you have to say 'hardly taste the difference' then you'd need to reconsider putting milk in your tea at all. I don't mind a vegetarian dish at all but please don't put fake food in front of me. Some say processed food is amongst the worst stuff to eat, so where does that put things like fake meat?
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Re: New Eco Airplanes on the way.
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2023, 03:53:09 pm »
Yuk. If you have to say 'hardly taste the difference' then you'd need to reconsider putting milk in your tea at all. I don't mind a vegetarian dish at all but please don't put fake food in front of me. Some say processed food is amongst the worst stuff to eat, so where does that put things like fake meat?

Have you actually tried good oat milks (not Oatly by the way)?  Nothing like soya or other vegetarian milks.  I wasn't convinced until I bought a bottle to try it out.

They're not quite dairy milk but the taste is definitely not unpleasant.  I'd describe it a bit like a full fat milk with a bit less sweetness than cow milk.  You can always add a sweetener or half a teaspoon of sugar if you wanted it sweeter.  Of course, one benefit is it is almost as thick as full fat milk, but its calories are much lower than full fat milk per litre.

I'm not a vegetarian, but eating less meat and dairy is generally good for your health and the environment, and it's never been as convenient as it is now.

On processed food: I think there is a bigger hazard with meat with antibiotics and preservatives in the food supply for the animal, than say a mushroom or pea burger that has seasoning and binders added.  If you look at the ingredients in, say, a Beyond Burger, I don't think there's anything terrifying there.  I don't think meat is that unhealthy in moderation, but I think you'd be kidding yourself to make such a generic statement as "processed food bad". 
 
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Re: New Eco Airplanes on the way.
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2023, 04:09:31 pm »
Actually, processing any food that is safe to be eaten raw is "bad". This is because a) nutrients may be lost, and 2) the act of processing, even if it's just to chop something finely, removes work from the chewing and digestion.

Fourthly, moderation in all things. Or perhaps that should be, "moderation in a moderate number of things"..?
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Re: New Eco Airplanes on the way.
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2023, 04:10:20 pm »
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Only vegan meals will be served to passengers with no single-use plastic

So this guy is is multi-nuts  :box:

Even the staff working for him are only allowed vegan/vegetarian food on any meals they claim when working away. They also make tea with, oat milk.
This is discrimination and is awful.
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Re: New Eco Airplanes on the way.
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2023, 04:22:31 pm »
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Even the staff working for him are only allowed vegan/vegetarian food on any meals they claim when working away.
Nearly as bad as morrisey,a good mate was kicked off a job for daring to eat meat for his lunch.
 


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