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MK14:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on March 15, 2020, 10:51:06 pm ---I suppose pilotess planes would be easier than driverless cars because there aren't lots of human controlled vehicles in the air. I'd definitely feel safer with no humans in the loop.

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Let's consider a hypothetical thought experiment.

I park up, near where you live. Walk, the half-mile, from the nearest car park to where you live on the housing estate, in the blistering rain. Put a large amount of cash (spending money) through your letter box.
You now fly out to America, using the tickets I also just put through you letter box. (Make it quick, UK flights stop on Tuesday, because of the virus).

You now drive in a nice hired Tesla, using autopilot, on the high speed interstate road. We now talk on skype, so I can make sure your thumb has healed up nicely. While the car is driving in autonomous automatic driving mode (autopilot).

On Skype, I now ask you a question ?

"You are talking to me on skype, without using your hands on the steering wheel, or pressing the pedals. You are looking at the computer/skype screen and talking to me. Who is driving the car ?".
Zero999:

--- Quote from: MK14 on March 16, 2020, 04:44:19 am ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on March 15, 2020, 10:51:06 pm ---I suppose pilotess planes would be easier than driverless cars because there aren't lots of human controlled vehicles in the air. I'd definitely feel safer with no humans in the loop.

--- End quote ---

Let's consider a hypothetical thought experiment.

I park up, near where you live. Walk, the half-mile, from the nearest car park to where you live on the housing estate, in the blistering rain. Put a large amount of cash (spending money) through your letter box.
You now fly out to America, using the tickets I also just put through you letter box. (Make it quick, UK flights stop on Tuesday, because of the virus).

You now drive in a nice hired Tesla, using autopilot, on the high speed interstate road. We now talk on skype, so I can make sure your thumb has healed up nicely. While the car is driving in autonomous automatic driving mode (autopilot).

On Skype, I now ask you a question ?

"You are talking to me on skype, without using your hands on the steering wheel, or pressing the pedals. You are looking at the computer/skype screen and talking to me. Who is driving the car ?".

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Sounds like fun to me. I get horrible motion sickness if I'm a passenger in a car and still have to focus on the road, so wouldn't be look at the screen for too long. Of course it will be Tesla's software driving the car, but legally speaking, if it had an accident, it would be my head on the block. Indeed if the car wasn't roadworthy, say the tires were bald, I would still be held responsible, even if it was a hire car. Irrespective of what's technically possible or safest, this is how the law works and I doubt it will change soon.

Fortunately my thumb, whilst still isn't 100% and probably never will be, is now good enough to drive.

I think if I got free tickets to America and a large amount of spending money, I'd probably do something else than hire a Tesla, given the choice.
bd139:
Yeah  :-DD

Zucca:

--- Quote from: bd139 on March 15, 2020, 12:31:13 pm ---That's a good point! I check mine anyway once a month. It's mostly supposed to identify outlying conditions.

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I was six years a TPMS electronic developer for big German car company.
TPMS is required by the law, law is required because people are stupid. Check every six month is a must, every two is good. Every month you really love your car.

There are different ways to lose pressure in a tire:

1) Temperature (about 0,1Bar/10°C) (only about this point I could talk for hours)
2) Diffusion: no tire is perfect, air is leaking at slow rate (about 1Bar/Year)
3) Altitude change (yes it could mess up things, another 30 minutes here)
4) Tire is damaged
5) .... not relevant

TPMS is nice if you have run flat tires, so you will know for sure something is wrong in a tire. TPMS is also nice to save gas generally speaking. If people could realize how much gas/money is wasted because the tires are low...
They all should use bicycles, very few bikers are using bike with low tires... People thinks cars get old and decrease naturally efficiency, they still do not understand tires lose air slowly --> low tires car are eating so much more gas is not even funny.

Number one car fuel wasted reason world wide is low tires... oh wll let's make a law... oh well the TPMS of course should detect low tires even when all four are down to save gas --> active system with battery required by law.

No normally you can't swap the (normally) potted battery, there is a time/energy counter anyway to prevent that "repair".

PS: when in winters beginning the temperature was going down, you can't imagine how much phone calls I got because the light was on but the tires had no nails in it.

SilverSolder:

--- Quote from: Zucca on March 16, 2020, 12:04:17 pm ---
--- Quote from: bd139 on March 15, 2020, 12:31:13 pm ---That's a good point! I check mine anyway once a month. It's mostly supposed to identify outlying conditions.

--- End quote ---

I was six years a TPMS electronic developer for big German car company.
TPMS is required by the law, law is required because people are stupid. Check every six month is a must, every two is good. Every month you really love your car.

There are different ways to lose pressure in a tire:

1) Temperature (about 0,1Bar/10°C) (only about this point I could talk for hours)
2) Diffusion: no tire is perfect, air is leaking at slow rate (about 1Bar/Year)
3) Altitude change (yes it could mess up things, another 30 minutes here)
4) Tire is damaged
5) .... not relevant

TPMS is nice if you have run flat tires, so you will know for sure something is wrong in a tire. TPMS is also nice to save gas generally speaking. If people could realize how much gas/money is wasted because the tires are low...
They all should use bicycles, very few bikers are using bike with low tires... People thinks cars get old and decrease naturally efficiency, they still do not understand tires lose air slowly --> low tires car are eating so much more gas is not even funny.

Number one car fuel wasted reason world wide is low tires... oh wll let's make a law... oh well the TPMS of course should detect low tires even when all four are down to save gas --> active system with battery required by law.

No normally you can't swap the (normally) potted battery, there is a time/energy counter anyway to prevent that "repair".

PS: when in winters beginning the temperature was going down, you can't imagine how much phone calls I got because the light was on but the tires had no nails in it.

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These reasons for TPMS are all good and noble, but surely some solution could be found that doesn't require replacing the entire module every few years at ridiculously "inflated" prices?

All that will happen is that people end up making (and buying) "pretend TPMS modules" that just sit in the wheel well to keep the system happy and otherwise do nothing, in order to avoid the costs.  E.g. https://www.reddit.com/r/electronics/comments/afa7yp/i_made_a_tpms_spoofer_for_my_car/
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