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| EEVblog:
--- Quote from: Sal Ammoniac on May 15, 2023, 09:19:39 pm ---Unless you're a black man actually living in the U.S. I don't think you have any idea of how bad the systemic racism is. Sure, it's not as bad as in the days of slavery and Jim Crow, but it's still pretty bad. --- End quote --- It's so bad you can become President, or a supreme court judge. The key to overcoming it is to avoid anyone or any group who wants you to see yourself as a victim. "Just get the hell away" from that as Adams would say. And that has been one of his focusses recently in teaching people this. A good general life strategy. |
| EEVblog:
Just checked, Twitter subscription now available. I'm going to join to get Dilbert Reborn. EDIT: Just joined, it was AU$5/month. Not sub tweets yet, must have just got approved. |
| james_s:
--- Quote from: EEVblog on May 16, 2023, 01:15:53 am ---It's so bad you can become President, or a supreme court judge. The key to overcoming it is to avoid anyone or any group who wants you to see yourself as a victim. "Just get the hell away" from that as Adams would say. And that has been one of his focusses recently in teaching people this. A good general life strategy. --- End quote --- There is no systemic racism in the US, it's a myth perpetuated by people that look at statistics, starting out with a conclusion and extrapolate data that is not there to fit the conclusion they started with. Does that mean there is no racism? Of course not, but it isn't systemic. Laws apply equally to everyone, and cases where someone of one race gets a stiffer sentence than someone of another race that get pointed out as evidence of systemic racism usually have more to the story, for example the person with the light sentence had a clean record prior to the crime in question while the one that got the stiffer sentence has multiple felonies. Black people that apply themselves are just as successful as white people. Asians and Indians which also have dark skin are statistically more successful than whites, which kind of blows a hole in the whole "America is a terrible place for people with dark skin" myth. |
| james_s:
--- Quote from: tggzzz on May 15, 2023, 04:18:33 pm ---One thing I do object to is judging past people by today's standards. If you do that, then you have to condemn Thomas Jefferson because he was a slave owner - and that obviously overrules everything else he did. Doesn't it? --- End quote --- I strongly object to that too, and people DO condemn Thomas Jefferson for that reason. A ridiculous example of that which is local to me, I live in King County, it was named after William Rufus King, however around 20 years ago a group of local politicians without a vote from the people decided to retroactively change the namesake to MLK and the county seal to a picture of him because William King was a slave owner. Now I have nothing at all against MLK, in fact I quite admire him, but he visited King County briefly only once in his life and he had NOTHING to do with founding it. King County is located in the state of Washington which was named after our first president George Washington who like many in his class at the time also owned slaves. I have joked that they should change the namesake of my state to Denzel Washington except I don't say that too loudly because I don't want anyone getting any ideas. I am very bothered by people attempting to erase and revise history by quietly making edits like this. I don't know much about William King nor do I go out of my way to honor him, but the county was named after him, he did live here and was influential at the time, and to change the namesake in modern times for nothing more than political correctness is tantamount to lying. I think it's totally unreasonable to assume that any of us today, had we grown up ~200 years ago in a region where slavery was commonplace and widely seen as acceptable would have some innate belief that it was horrible and wrong. It's unfair to judge historical figures against modern cultural standards. We are all products of our environment and upbringing, morals and ethics are taught, not innate and everything is relative. |
| tggzzz:
--- Quote from: james_s on May 16, 2023, 02:30:14 am --- --- Quote from: tggzzz on May 15, 2023, 04:18:33 pm ---One thing I do object to is judging past people by today's standards. If you do that, then you have to condemn Thomas Jefferson because he was a slave owner - and that obviously overrules everything else he did. Doesn't it? --- End quote --- I strongly object to that too, and people DO condemn Thomas Jefferson for that reason. A ridiculous example of that which is local to me, I live in King County, it was named after William Rufus King, however around 20 years ago a group of local politicians without a vote from the people decided to retroactively change the namesake to MLK and the county seal to a picture of him because William King was a slave owner. Now I have nothing at all against MLK, in fact I quite admire him, but he visited King County briefly only once in his life and he had NOTHING to do with founding it. King County is located in the state of Washington which was named after our first president George Washington who like many in his class at the time also owned slaves. I have joked that they should change the namesake of my state to Denzel Washington except I don't say that too loudly because I don't want anyone getting any ideas. I am very bothered by people attempting to erase and revise history by quietly making edits like this. I don't know much about William King nor do I go out of my way to honor him, but the county was named after him, he did live here and was influential at the time, and to change the namesake in modern times for nothing more than political correctness is tantamount to lying. I think it's totally unreasonable to assume that any of us today, had we grown up ~200 years ago in a region where slavery was commonplace and widely seen as acceptable would have some innate belief that it was horrible and wrong. It's unfair to judge historical figures against modern cultural standards. We are all products of our environment and upbringing, morals and ethics are taught, not innate and everything is relative. --- End quote --- My nearby city has a proud recent tradition (over a couple of hundred years old) of riots that have occasionally changed the law of the land. The latest were over a slave transporter, Colston, who was also a city benefactor - his statue was dumped in the harbour, and his name is slowly being erased from locations.[1] The local unelected city elders (think local Freemasons on steroids) repeatedly refused to allow explantory plaques to be attached to the statue's plinth. I'm not sure of the reasoning, but they probably didn't want attention brought to their past activities. My preference would have been to have plaques everywhere associated with Colston, and to use them as a trigger for discussing the city's inglorious past. Now those triggers are missing, it will be easier to forget history. Not, I suspect, what the protestors and SJWs were aiming for. [1] i suspect that in part Colston was merely a "Marlon Brando trigger", i.e. "Hey, Johnny, what are you rebelling against?" "What've you got?". |
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