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| james_s:
--- Quote from: tggzzz on May 16, 2023, 07:21:53 pm ---Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Nonetheless deniers (of anything) choose to ignore that. --- End quote --- Yes it is. If something is systemic then there is going to be loads of evidence, that's virtually the definition of a systemic problem, it is widespread, repeatable and thus easily studied, if there is not evidence then it's not a problem worthy of discussion. I'm not ignoring it, I'm asking for evidence. Show me the data, racism is a very serious accusation, and if somebody is going to make that accusation they had better have something to back it up. If it is anywhere near as serious and widespread as claimed then there should be mountains of evidence, thousands and thousands of cases where the same circumstances led to different outcomes. Show me even a few dozen cases where people of different races under all the same circumstances had different outcomes, that should be easy, if it's a systemic problem then surely there must be loads of incidents so sourcing a few clear cut examples should be easy. |
| james_s:
--- Quote from: tggzzz on May 16, 2023, 10:07:12 pm ---I can't quote any solid evidence that being short is an impediment to becoming a political/corporate leader. Nonetheless, there are sufficient anecdotes to indicate it is the case. --- End quote --- I can. This has been studied many times and is widely known to be true. https://www.apa.org/monitor/julaug04/standing\ https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/tall-people-more-likely-to-be-successful-in-life-study-find-a6919431.html\ There was a study on dating sites as well, although I can't find the one I'm thinking of, they tried making two otherwise identical profiles for a man, one shorter than 6' and another over 6' and the taller guy got way more responses. Height shouldn't matter but it obviously does. Being short is an impediment to almost everything related to social standing. That doesn't mean of course that short men are in a hopeless situation, but they certainly are at a measurable disadvantage. |
| EEVblog:
Got my first two Dilbert comics through Twitter subscriptions, works well. 585 views. So presumably he has that many subscribers already. I'm not sure there is a way actually see how subscribers someone has? |
| tszaboo:
--- Quote from: tggzzz on May 16, 2023, 07:21:53 pm --- --- Quote from: james_s on May 16, 2023, 06:10:03 pm --- --- Quote from: Zero999 on May 16, 2023, 06:02:33 pm ---I find it odd how anyone claiming systemic racism exists in the US, can't provide any objective data to support it. All they do is cherry pick statistics which show poorer outcomes. Unequal outcome is not proof of oppression. --- End quote --- It's not odd at all, it's expected. Objective data to support it does not exist, so they have to cherry pick statistics and ignore any data that doesn't support their conclusion. They start out with the conclusion first and then search for data to support it. --- End quote --- Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Nonetheless deniers (of anything) choose to ignore that. --- End quote --- On the other hand, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. All I see it is "I feel this way"s and statistics that reduce problems to one dimensions, while other dimensions have much higher role in the outcome. They made a psychological study quite a while ago. A makeup artist made a scar to the subjects face, showed it to the subject with a mirror, then removed it from the face. Then they had the subject have conversations with others, and they had to rate their feelings about prejudice and negative emotions. They overwhelmingly reported that people were staring at the scar, and they were rude to them. While they had nothing on their face. Victim mentality, where none exists. Look it up yourself, Dartmouth university scar study. |
| Zero999:
--- Quote from: tggzzz on May 16, 2023, 10:07:12 pm --- --- Quote from: coppice on May 16, 2023, 08:56:50 pm --- --- Quote from: tggzzz on May 16, 2023, 07:21:53 pm --- --- Quote from: james_s on May 16, 2023, 06:10:03 pm --- --- Quote from: Zero999 on May 16, 2023, 06:02:33 pm ---I find it odd how anyone claiming systemic racism exists in the US, can't provide any objective data to support it. All they do is cherry pick statistics which show poorer outcomes. Unequal outcome is not proof of oppression. --- End quote --- It's not odd at all, it's expected. Objective data to support it does not exist, so they have to cherry pick statistics and ignore any data that doesn't support their conclusion. They start out with the conclusion first and then search for data to support it. --- End quote --- Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Nonetheless deniers (of anything) choose to ignore that. --- End quote --- But its supposed to be a HHHUUUUGGGGEEEE problem having a MMMAAASSSIIIVVEEE impact on the lives of millions. They really can't quote any hard evidence? Is it hiding behind the elephant over there? --- End quote --- I can't quote any solid evidence that being short is an impediment to becoming a political/corporate leader. Nonetheless, there are sufficient anecdotes to indicate it is the case. My father used to say that if you found a company being run by a short person, invest in it - because that person has probably got something extra over most CEOs. Nowadays I'd s/short/female/, by the same reasoning. --- End quote --- You're talking about bias, which is different. It's true that taller men tend to rise to positions of power, probably due to the fact taller men are feared more. That doesn't mean short men are systemically oppressed. Systemic oppression is when the system i.e. laws and institutions are obviously set up to oppress a certain group. Examples of this were Nazi Germany and South Africa under Apartheid. This objectively doesn't apply to black people in the 21st century US. If anything many institutions discriminate against whites and Asians in favour of black people by means of affirmative action. It's also true that African immigrants to the US do better than whites. There are far too many confounding factors. |
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