Dilbert loses newspapers, publishers, distributor, and possibly its website

[helius]

Wondering what I'm doing tonight
I've been in the closet and I feel alright.
Ran out of Carbona, Mom threw out the glue.
Ran out of paint and roach spray too.

[EEVblog]

Another classic example in my Youtube comments just now:

Hmmm, I'm pretty sure I mentioned precisely what he said that makes me feel iffy about being a fan of yours ( or anyone for that matter ) and likely any other jewish person that likes to watch your content, just a few replies above.
But it's fine, I don't intend or expect you to change who you yourself watch and who not

You can probbaly guess what topic he's talking about, and he's upset because I subscribed at some point years ago for whatever reason to a channel (one of thousands) that I'm guessing that creator probably once said something about this toipic that has triggered him?
And of course the passive-agressive bullying of trying to guilt me into somehow disavowing someone (and assuming I know what this creator has said at some point) or else he any every other jewish person will have a negative opinion of me?

This is the kind of crap that happens. Someone said something once that someone didn't like and therefore everyone must disavow this person and never watch any of their content ever again or else they get branded with *insert brush here*.
I think I'm going to blanket ban these childish people from now on.

[magic]

Can't even capitalize properly, I bet it was an American.

Those are the worst. Massive messiah complex.

[Ed.Kloonk]

Another classic example in my Youtube comments just now:

Hmmm, I'm pretty sure I mentioned precisely what he said that makes me feel iffy about being a fan of yours ( or anyone for that matter ) and likely any other jewish person that likes to watch your content, just a few replies above.
But it's fine, I don't intend or expect you to change who you yourself watch and who not

You can probbaly guess what topic he's talking about, and he's upset because I subscribed at some point years ago for whatever reason to a channel (one of thousands) that I'm guessing that creator probably once said something about this toipic that has triggered him?
And of course the passive-agressive bullying of trying to guilt me into somehow disavowing someone (and assuming I know what this creator has said at some point) or else he any every other jewish person will have a negative opinion of me?

This is the kind of crap that happens. Someone said something once that someone didn't like and therefore everyone must disavow this person and never watch any of their content ever again or else they get branded with *insert brush here*.
I think I'm going to blanket ban these childish people from now on.

It's pretty weak. They are quite able to shitpost in the comments, but if they feel so strongly, where are their own videos?

[PlainName]

but if they feel so strongly, where are their own videos?

Are you saying one needs to be a content creator to be able to have an opinion, or that a comment should only be made via another lengthy and tedious video?

[Ed.Kloonk]

but if they feel so strongly, where are their own videos?

Are you saying one needs to be a content creator to be able to have an opinion, or that a comment should only be made via another lengthy and tedious video?

A comment will only annoy the video creator and a handful a other people who happen to read it. I'm suggesting that if they truly were sincere, putting out their own video content would surly reach a wider audience.

It's simply just sinister behaviour, intended to harm anyone who has a platform. The 'opinion' is just an excuse or perhaps even a mask to hide the comment's true purpose.

[PlainName]

Well, putting out a video will likely have an audience of one. Even so, isn't that a high bar to set? It's like saying if you really have to disagree with Scott Adams you should do it in a syndicated cartoon strip.

A comment will only annoy the video creator and a handful a other people who happen to read it.

Surely the video creator is the person they want to read the comment. The rest are irrelevant; just bystanders. Unless one is playing to the gallery, of course, but that's what twitter's for.

[Ed.Kloonk]

Well, putting out a video will likely have an audience of one. Even so, isn't that a high bar to set? It's like saying if you really have to disagree with Scott Adams you should do it in a syndicated cartoon strip.

In Scott Adams' case, probably. I doubt very much he cares about anyone who isn't fully agreeable with him. They can shout into the ether if they want. Free world and all that.

The comments section in youtube of creators that instead really do engage with their audience is a privilege for participants.

[tooki]

Yep, make one single comment on some topic and some people will instantly infer a complete picture of you in their head, they will make assumptions on all sorts of unrelated stuff based on one single data point. It's absurd.

Such is the internet.

That’s why I say that if you have people from both sides accusing you of being the other, you’ve probably got a balanced stance on things. (That’s happened to me over the years many times…)

[tooki]

but if they feel so strongly, where are their own videos?

Are you saying one needs to be a content creator to be able to have an opinion, or that a comment should only be made via another lengthy and tedious video?

100% agree. And not just in politics.

Like if you point out a factual error in a tutorial video, and the channel’s acolytes bark back “well if it’s so bad why don’t you make your own tutorial!” 

[Ed.Kloonk]

but if they feel so strongly, where are their own videos?

Are you saying one needs to be a content creator to be able to have an opinion, or that a comment should only be made via another lengthy and tedious video?

100% agree. And not just in politics.

Like if you point out a factual error in a tutorial video, and the channel’s acolytes bark back “well if it’s so bad why don’t you make your own tutorial!” 

  back at you.

We aren't talking about comments regarding a video rather commenters using the service to attack the youtuber for existing.

[magic]

That’s why I say that if you have people from both sides accusing you of being the other, you’ve probably got a balanced stance on things. (That’s happened to me over the years many times…)

If you think that there are only two sides to anything then you are probably an American, and if you are being attacked from all sides by strawman arguments than you have probably found yourself immersed in the inane American politics.

That's all it means. There is 300 million others like you, all equally right and balanced snowflakes.

This is what makes all this bullshit so fun

[EEVblog]

Well, putting out a video will likely have an audience of one. Even so, isn't that a high bar to set? It's like saying if you really have to disagree with Scott Adams you should do it in a syndicated cartoon strip.

A comment will only annoy the video creator and a handful a other people who happen to read it.

Surely the video creator is the person they want to read the comment. The rest are irrelevant; just bystanders. Unless one is playing to the gallery, of course, but that's what twitter's for.

That's what it is my my case, they are actively tragetting me directly. A few of them will send a personal email, but most know that if they leave a comment then it could get Liked by other people to help reinforce their message.
They like me and my videos but absolutely detest that I dare to follow, watch, or otherwise interact with another creator they do not like. And they will verbally bully me into denouncing this creator and severing all ties with them. It it 100% bully cancel culture. They cannot be argued with, as they do not discuss in good faith.
And IME, all of them have been on the radical social justice left.

[tggzzz]

Well, putting out a video will likely have an audience of one. Even so, isn't that a high bar to set? It's like saying if you really have to disagree with Scott Adams you should do it in a syndicated cartoon strip.

A comment will only annoy the video creator and a handful a other people who happen to read it.

Surely the video creator is the person they want to read the comment. The rest are irrelevant; just bystanders. Unless one is playing to the gallery, of course, but that's what twitter's for.

That's what it is my my case, they are actively tragetting me directly. A few of them will send a personal email, but most know that if they leave a comment then it could get Liked by other people to help reinforce their message.
They like me and my videos but absolutely detest that I dare to follow, watch, or otherwise interact with another creator they do not like. And they will verbally bully me into denouncing this creator and severing all ties with them. It it 100% bully cancel culture. They cannot be argued with, as they do not discuss in good faith.
And IME, all of them have been on the radical social justice left.

Over here the radical libertarian right is just as bad. They tolerate no dissent, and are in the process of rebranding themselves "national conservatives". As far I as they can see they are the same as "national socialists".

There's a less clear cut debate as well. If the artist is abhorrent, what should you do about their works? Take, for example, Eric Gill inventor of the Gill Sans typeface and many other famous works. His statue of  Prospero and Ariel outside the BBC headquarters has just been defaced again. Apparently...

... his  crimes, which only came to light when biographer Fiona MacCarthy published his diary confessions. Gill wrote about abusing his daughters, interfering with his dog and having sex with at least one of his sisters. Horribly, but perhaps predictably, these secret acts went along with a Catholic socialist idealism and a belief in art as a messianic instrument

My starting point is not to destroy his work or otherwise cancel him, but to put up plaques reminding people of his crimes.

[.RC.]

Over here the radical libertarian right is just as bad. They tolerate no dissent, and are in the process of rebranding themselves "national conservatives". As far I as they can see they are the same as "national socialists".

Different sides of the same coin.  But they are everywhere it is not just confined to political viewpoints.  Go ask on a popular Australian forum that has a section about DIY abut how to go about wiring up a mains light in your house.  Grab the popcorn and watch the fireworks. Although these days such a question would be shut down by the moderators as they know how it is going to end up.

There are a plethora of people out there hell bent on ordering you how to run your life, often backed up by some stupid law.  I am at the stage where I think we are on a downhill run when it comes to what I call freedoms and we peaked a decade or two or three ago.

  If the artist is abhorrent, what should you do about their works?

I take it no one in the UK broke out the wobble board last week?  But it no doubt created joy for people in the long distant past.

[wilfred]

In Scott Adams' case, probably. I doubt very much he cares about anyone who isn't fully agreeable with him. They can shout into the ether if they want. Free world and all that.

The comments section in youtube of creators that instead really do engage with their audience is a privilege for participants.

Scott Adams airs his opinions on a subscription platform. He's doing it for the money. I doubt he cares about anyone else's opinions even if they DO agree with him. That's not unique to SA though. Tucker Carlson is a notable recent case in point. He didn't even agree with his own opinions.

[EEVblog]

Tucker Carlson is a notable recent case in point.

Tucker famously does not use or even read any form of social media.

[Zero999]

Well, putting out a video will likely have an audience of one. Even so, isn't that a high bar to set? It's like saying if you really have to disagree with Scott Adams you should do it in a syndicated cartoon strip.

A comment will only annoy the video creator and a handful a other people who happen to read it.

Surely the video creator is the person they want to read the comment. The rest are irrelevant; just bystanders. Unless one is playing to the gallery, of course, but that's what twitter's for.

That's what it is my my case, they are actively tragetting me directly. A few of them will send a personal email, but most know that if they leave a comment then it could get Liked by other people to help reinforce their message.
They like me and my videos but absolutely detest that I dare to follow, watch, or otherwise interact with another creator they do not like. And they will verbally bully me into denouncing this creator and severing all ties with them. It it 100% bully cancel culture. They cannot be argued with, as they do not discuss in good faith.
And IME, all of them have been on the radical social justice left.

Over here the radical libertarian right is just as bad. They tolerate no dissent, and are in the process of rebranding themselves "national conservatives". As far I as they can see they are the same as "national socialists".

I admit, I do follow some conservative, as well as liberal channels and see more hate from the left at the moment. There are extremists on both sides, but the hysteria over NatCon is very overhyped. I haven't seen any examples of actual hate. Heck I agree with some of it, but obviously not all of it. The bits I don't like are stupid and silly, rather than hateful and I just laugh at them making fools of themselves.

Well, putting out a video will likely have an audience of one. Even so, isn't that a high bar to set? It's like saying if you really have to disagree with Scott Adams you should do it in a syndicated cartoon strip.

A comment will only annoy the video creator and a handful a other people who happen to read it.

Surely the video creator is the person they want to read the comment. The rest are irrelevant; just bystanders. Unless one is playing to the gallery, of course, but that's what twitter's for.

That's what it is my my case, they are actively tragetting me directly. A few of them will send a personal email, but most know that if they leave a comment then it could get Liked by other people to help reinforce their message.
They like me and my videos but absolutely detest that I dare to follow, watch, or otherwise interact with another creator they do not like. And they will verbally bully me into denouncing this creator and severing all ties with them. It it 100% bully cancel culture. They cannot be argued with, as they do not discuss in good faith.
And IME, all of them have been on the radical social justice left.

Just tell them to bugger off and block them, if they keep pestering you,

[EEVblog]

Just tell them to bugger off and block them, if they keep pestering you,

I've already announced this as a new rule on Twitter.
https://twitter.com/eevblog/status/1662331854815637505

[wilfred]

Tucker Carlson is a notable recent case in point.

Tucker famously does not use or even read any form of social media.

Yeah, I'd readily accept that. Successful well-off people probably use their time wisely to achieve that status. I would never have made the claim TC believed what he was saying. Quite the opposite. He was hired to sell advertising on FOX. Murdoch kept him until he became an expensive liability. Locally here in Australia the popular radio shock-jocks were (are) the same. I did not believe Alan Jones believed what he was spouting. I think the turning point for me was when the banks decided to pay him to cooperate. And he did.

Scott Adams lit the touch-paper on his comic syndication when he saw a more lucrative market. I don't think he's at all stupid no matter what I think of his ethics.

There is an easy to exploit and growing market for selling opinions. More than enough suggestable people to take advantage of. You just have to be smarter than your audience. Which is a low bar.

When Kmart sell vlogging and "influencer" lighting kits you just know there is a market for opinions out there.
https://www.kmart.com.au/product/6in.-ring-light-influencer-kit-43033058/?

[Zero999]

Anyway, is there anyone who found Adam's remarks offensive, or extremely disagreeable, yet still appreciates his comics?

That's not how cancel culture works.

I know. That was my point: most people don't care, which is at odds with how people such as Adams have been treated.

Come to think of it, I've become much more tolerant of those with differing views over the last few years, because I've changed my position on a variety of topics, even to the point of being 180° on certain subjects. Heck I can see my old self being upset about some of my current views, but my old ideas don't trigger me. In most cases it's not my personality which has changed. I've just altered my opinion, based on new evidence, like any rational human being should do.

[tooki]

That’s why I say that if you have people from both sides accusing you of being the other, you’ve probably got a balanced stance on things. (That’s happened to me over the years many times…)

If you think that there are only two sides to anything then you are probably an American, and if you are being attacked from all sides by strawman arguments than you have probably found yourself immersed in the inane American politics.

That's all it means. There is 300 million others like you, all equally right and balanced snowflakes.

This is what makes all this bullshit so fun

It’s not limited to American politics, nor to politics. It’s anything: iPhone vs. Android. Coke vs. Pepsi. Blue vs. white dress. Any time you take a middle ground, you’ll get attacked by both sides as being a “fanboy” or “shill” or “sheeple” or whatever.

And the fact that these are binaries is kinda my point: reality isn’t simple, single axes like that, but people often react as if it were.

[tooki]

but if they feel so strongly, where are their own videos?

Are you saying one needs to be a content creator to be able to have an opinion, or that a comment should only be made via another lengthy and tedious video?

100% agree. And not just in politics.

Like if you point out a factual error in a tutorial video, and the channel’s acolytes bark back “well if it’s so bad why don’t you make your own tutorial!” 

  back at you.

We aren't talking about comments regarding a video rather commenters using the service to attack the youtuber for existing.

I was literally commenting simply on the “well why don’t you make your own video?!?” nonsense. That’s it.

[EEVblog]

Scott Adams lit the touch-paper on his comic syndication when he saw a more lucrative market. I don't think he's at all stupid no matter what I think of his ethics.

That's not what happened.
He's lost 80% of his income because of this. He said he did not expect to be cancelled by his syndication company, just by a bunch of more newspapers that has already happened to him several times before.
I believe him when he says he did what he did because he's in a financial position to do it and wanted to push the race discussion in a new direction.

Long time, he might eventually end up financially better off, that remains to be seen, but it's certainly no the case at the moment. Now that he's been "completely cancelled ", he's now more free to say what he wants. And that's not my speculation, this is stuff he has said.

[.RC.]

When Kmart sell vlogging and "influencer" lighting kits you just know there is a market for opinions out there.
https://www.kmart.com.au/product/6in.-ring-light-influencer-kit-43033058/?

Not sure why they would need that.  Seems plenty of those types think they already have a ring that emits light.