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JohanH:

--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on March 09, 2023, 04:36:37 am ---
Here, the small mob is the small group of young, liberal sociopolitical activists, who have close ties with Finnish media.  For example, the subset of "experts" the Finnish public broadcast company Yle uses, is about 75% the same as the "progressivist activist group" trying to keep everyone towing to the same line in social media and elsewhere.  (About 85% of reporters here self-describe leftist political views.)  Anyone speaking against them, is a transphobic racist Putinist, regardless of the actual topic.


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I would not like to step into this tar pit, but I must live in some kind of bubble where I don't see this. Of course, I live in a Swedish speaking area where many people, if we must define political scale, are more kind of progressive social liberal, maybe mostly centerists. But there are definitely people in politics spanning from left to right on the scale here. About this "small mob", I haven't seen this picture that you paint of it in media. Or my experience is that most people surrounding me are progressive and liberal, so I don't see this type of message as "mobbish". Locally here, there is a marginal group of conservative, mostly religious people spreading conspiracy theories about vaccines, 5G killing people, NATO is bad, Trump will save our souls etc. that also behave like Putin supporters. The last thing is so definitely condemned by the majority in this country and the group is so small that I don't see this as a big issue. This whole thing that "cancelling" and "wokism" would be a thing in our country are so strange and new concepts to me, that I'm sometimes flabbergasted. Must be living under a rock...

EEVblog:

--- Quote from: wilfred on March 09, 2023, 03:38:03 am ---How does a small mob carry any influence if half the population support Adams?
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Become any sort of public figure, publish where you work, and then go speak out against a really hot button topic like for example trans activists, like J.K Rowling has done, and watch you lose your job quick smart. It works because people are fearful the mob will come for them if they try and defend you, so almost everyone just stays silent.


--- Quote ---A small vocal mob does not have the volume to harm Adams as long as he stays true to what he believes is right.
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They did, his syndication company dropped him under the pressure. Not even Adams blames them for doing that.

madires:

--- Quote from: wilfred on March 09, 2023, 03:38:03 am ---How does a small mob carry any influence if half the population support Adams? Which is why I said even if a mob comprising the other half of the population try to cancel him there is and evenly balanced situation for and against.

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Cowards are easy to bully. It just takes a few people amplified by social media and the cowards comply, ignoring their own conscience and sometimes even committing offences. A coward publisher is more concerned about possibly losing some money than defending free speech.

JohanH:

--- Quote from: EEVblog on March 09, 2023, 11:15:42 am ---
Become any sort of public figure, publish where you work, and then go speak out against a really hot button topic like for example trans activists, like J.K Rowling has done, and watch you lose your job quick smart.

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Why in the world would you have to "speak out against a really hot button topic like for example trans activists" unless you specifically work in this area or have been harassed or something? It quickly turns into blaming an "other" group in society and here we are again. Where the minority could be gender/ethnicity/religion whatever in society. Which is easily felt as discriminatory or racist behavior. It wasn't such a problem in the past because many of these minority groups were in hiding due to fear of society. Today many of them are publicly demanding their right to exist and equality. Which I think is natural and is their right as humans. Of course there will be some people in the minority groups that will over-reach and do stupid things. You still can't blame a whole group. But its a fact that some people are afraid and feel threatened by minorities and actively tries to prevent them from gaining equal status in society. I have no idea if Rowling or Adams deserved their "treatment" or not, but if they speak stupid things, it's on them to bear the consequences. Humans are still not adapted to the fast flow of information on the Internet and social media so there will of course be some that will be hanged out publicly without deserving it. It sucks, but what can you do. Maybe in the future people will behave better (the ancient Greeks might have an opinion).

Zero999:

--- Quote from: JohanH on March 09, 2023, 12:30:05 pm ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on March 09, 2023, 11:15:42 am ---
Become any sort of public figure, publish where you work, and then go speak out against a really hot button topic like for example trans activists, like J.K Rowling has done, and watch you lose your job quick smart.

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Why in the world would you have to "speak out against a really hot button topic like for example trans activists" unless you specifically work in this area or have been harassed or something?
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Because they have some crazy ideas which would be dangerous for society if implemented, such as allowing males in women's prisons, to compete against women in sports and experimental, irreversible medical treatment on children. Anyone who cares about fairness and women's rights should speak up against their mad ideas. Note this is not about discriminating against trans people, but eradicating gender ideology.



--- Quote ---It quickly turns into blaming an "other" group in society and here we are again. Where the minority could be gender/ethnicity/religion whatever in society. Which is easily felt as discriminatory or racist behavior. It wasn't such a problem in the past because many of these minority groups were in hiding due to fear of society. Today many of them are publicly demanding their right to exist and equality. Which I think is natural and is their right as humans. Of course there will be some people in the minority groups that will over-reach and do stupid things. You still can't blame a whole group. But its a fact that some people are afraid and feel threatened by minorities and actively tries to prevent them from gaining equal status in society. I have no idea if Rowling or Adams deserved their "treatment" or not, but if they speak stupid things, it's on them to bear the consequences. Humans are still not adapted to the fast flow of information on the Internet and social media so there will of course be some that will be hanged out publicly without deserving it. It sucks, but what can you do. Maybe in the future people will behave better (the ancient Greeks might have an opinion).

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It's those who over-reach and do stupid things who are the problem, rather than minority groups as a whole. They claim to speak for everyone in said minority. People such as JK Rowling have been cancelled for speaking out against trans activists who advocate dangerous policies. For them it's not about equal rights, but special privileges. They stir up resentment in society, resulting in more discrimination against trans people. Around 8 years ago, hardly anyone cared if a man wore a dress and wanted to be treated like a woman. Now people are much more wary because of the craziness mentioned above.

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