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JohanH:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on March 10, 2023, 12:43:51 pm ---
So what women are not equal? We know that. They're are innate differences between the sexes, which are nothing to do with society and law.
The statistics you cite, don't prove women don't have equal rights to men, just they are more likely to be killed by men. This is because men are physically stronger than women and have higher testosterone levels, making them more prone to violent behaviour. By the same logic, you could argue men are subjugated by women, as they have a shorter life expectancy than women. Perhaps the healthcare system discriminates against men, who were much more likely to die from SARS-Cov-2 infection.
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With such twisted logic, we will surely plunge back to medieval times.
Zero999:
--- Quote from: JohanH on March 10, 2023, 12:58:48 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on March 10, 2023, 12:43:51 pm ---
So what women are not equal? We know that. They're are innate differences between the sexes, which are nothing to do with society and law.
The statistics you cite, don't prove women don't have equal rights to men, just they are more likely to be killed by men. This is because men are physically stronger than women and have higher testosterone levels, making them more prone to violent behaviour. By the same logic, you could argue men are subjugated by women, as they have a shorter life expectancy than women. Perhaps the healthcare system discriminates against men, who were much more likely to die from SARS-Cov-2 infection.
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With such twisted logic, we will surely plunge back to medieval times.
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How exactly?
Inequality is not evidence of discrimination. If we take the Marxist idea of artificially ensuring everyone is equal, to its logical conclusion, we surely plunge back into the times of Maoist China and the USSR.
Inequality is essential in a free and fair society. The best we can do is ensure procedural fairness, by having a society which doesn't unfairly discriminate against anyone.
JohanH:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on March 10, 2023, 01:04:54 pm ---
How exactly?
Inequality is not evidence of discrimination. If we take the Marxist idea of artificially ensuring everyone is equal, to its logical conclusion, we surely plunge back into the times of Maoist China and the USSR.
Inequality is essential in a free and fair society. The best we can do is ensure procedural fairness, by having a society which doesn't unfairly discriminate against anyone.
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I don't think I'm able to answer, I haven't studied these things enough. I reacted to your comment because to me it looked like you showed some kind of contempt for the achievements of equality for women. I.e. so women shouldn't deserve having e.g. voting rights? The same arguments against them were presented in the past, i.e. their physical and "emotional" inferiority. I'm not sure if it should be called equality, justice, fairness or what. These are just words and need better definitions for me to fathom (there's also the language barrier).
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I thought it was the Soviets that mastered procedural fairness. They sent any random person to Gulag to fulfill the procedures that circumstances demanded. If it was the person that deserved it, had less importance. </sarcasm>
Zero999:
--- Quote from: JohanH on March 10, 2023, 01:22:03 pm ---I reacted to your comment because to me it looked like you showed some kind of contempt for the achievements of equality for women. I.e. so women shouldn't deserve having e.g. voting rights? The same arguments against them were presented in the past, i.e. their physical and "emotional" inferiority. I'm not sure if it should be called equality, justice, fairness or what. These are just words and need better definitions for me to fathom (there's also the language barrier).
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Where did I say that? It was your misinterpretation. One could have easily assumed my post painted men in a bad light, more than women. I merely stated facts. Always assume, the person you're debating, is well-intentioned.
The best thing for society is to interfere as little as possible. This will ensure maximum wealth and prosperity for all. History has shown mass social engineering projects have a tendency to go badly.
JohanH:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on March 10, 2023, 02:16:11 pm ---The best thing for society is to interfere as little as possible. This will ensure maximum wealth and prosperity for all. History has shown mass social engineering projects have a tendency to go badly.
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I'm not sure "maximum wealth and prosperity for all" is possible in our life time. Something has to change radically for that, i.e. free energy or something. What we have for now, though, is many factors that contribute to happiness and a good life. The Nordic countries have many of these factors. It's a fact that the society's interference has contributed a lot to this. On the contrast, in the US, from what I've heard, they've tried to have the society interfere as little as possible. What has it done? Yes, "maximum wealth and prosperity" for very few people. Still, they need tax money for their roads.
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