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Zero999:

--- Quote from: Kim Christensen on March 10, 2023, 05:01:09 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on March 10, 2023, 01:04:54 pm ---If we take the Marxist idea of artificially ensuring everyone is equal, to its logical conclusion, we surely plunge back into the times of Maoist China and the USSR.
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Pro Tip: When arguing a subject that has nothing to do with communism, a sure way to lose any headway with us lefties is to keep bringing up communism.

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Lol. I've voted for Labour and Liberal Democrat in the past. I've only drifted rightwards, after the left went out of control.

He should have known better than to have accused me of wanting to go back to the Middle Ages, which I did no do.  :palm:

And communism is relevant to the discussion because he mentioned positive discrimination which is about ensuring equity for all and was practised by the USSR.


--- Quote from: james_s on March 10, 2023, 06:07:35 pm ---
--- Quote from: JohanH on March 10, 2023, 12:15:29 pm ---I am. Even though the Nordic countries top statistics in equality and lot of other things, Finland is still one of Europe's most dangerous countries when it comes to violence against women from people in close relationships. This is statistics from the government (Finnish and Swedish only) https://valtioneuvosto.fi/-/10616/lahisuhdevakivalta-aiheuttaa-tutkimuksen-mukaan-merkittavasti-kustannuksia-terveys-sosiaali-ja-oikeuspalveluissa Every other woman has experienced violence in a relationship and 15-30 women die yearly due to violence in a relationship.
This is only one example.

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This is called cherry picking. What are the percentages for workplace fatalities of men vs women in your country? How about the suicide rates? How about emotional abuse? Do you think physical violence is the only kind of violence and abuse that happens in relationships? Women have it easier in general, men get the shaft, of course if you cherry pick statistics and ignore anything that doesn't support your assertion you can make them say anything you want.

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Being culturally homogenous has helped.  Unfortunately Sweden has ruined it by allowing mass immigration.


--- Quote from: james_s on March 10, 2023, 06:03:18 pm ---
--- Quote from: JohanH on March 10, 2023, 12:58:48 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on March 10, 2023, 12:43:51 pm ---
So what women are not equal? We know that. They're are innate differences between the sexes, which are nothing to do with society and law.

The statistics you cite, don't prove women don't have equal rights to men, just they are more likely to be killed by men. This is because men are physically stronger than women and have higher testosterone levels, making them more prone to violent behaviour. By the same logic, you could argue men are subjugated by women, as they have a shorter life expectancy than women. Perhaps the healthcare system discriminates against men, who were much more likely to die from SARS-Cov-2 infection.

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With such twisted logic, we will surely plunge back to medieval times.

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Huh? Twisted? Everything he said is objectively true, what part do you disagree with?

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The bit where I said women are not equal probably triggered him, even though I continued by describing how morally inferior men are, in terms of committing violent crime.  Incidentally men are also more likely to be killed by other men, than women are.


--- Quote from: james_s on March 10, 2023, 05:50:36 pm ---
--- Quote from: Tomorokoshi on March 10, 2023, 03:54:15 am ---
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on March 10, 2023, 02:42:47 am ---Yep. The orwellian program is actually progressing at an alarming rate, and it's no joke. I think many people will figure it out when it's too late.

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In what way, specifically?

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In lots of ways.

Here is one specific example, editing classic books to remove offensive language, an easy one that was picked up by mainstream news outlets but it is far from the only one. The edited books will have the same title, they're presented as the same book except they're not.

https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/license-edit-ian-flemings-james-bond-novels-be-edited-remove-racist-content/Q74LY2FAWRFWRMIAXXUR7XAJCU/

I would certainly call quietly altering books orwellian, that was a central theme of '1984' from which the phrase 'orwellian' originated.

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Meanwhile the UK has introduced thought crimes by outlawing silent prayer, within 150m of abortion clinics.
https://premierchristian.news/en/news/article/landmark-vote-introduces-thought-crime-laws-as-mps-criminalise-silent-prayer-at-abortion-clinics-nationwide

TomKatt:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on March 10, 2023, 06:42:38 pm ---Meanwhile the UK has introduced thought crimes by outlawing silent prayer, within 150m of abortion clinics.
https://premierchristian.news/en/news/article/landmark-vote-introduces-thought-crime-laws-as-mps-criminalise-silent-prayer-at-abortion-clinics-nationwide

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Not living in the UK or really that familiar with this issue, but a few Googles and my impression is that claim is biased and a politically charged interpretation of a law that simply tries to protect people seeking those services from harassment by others in that vicinity.   Harassment doesn't have to be physical or even verbal - I'm quite sure the people the law is trying to keep out of that buffer zone aren't just standing there in a silent meditative trance like the Dali Llama or something.

So, nobody is monitoring for 'thought crimes' or preventing them from praying.  I have no experience with it, but I suspect if prayers work they likely have more range than a Bluetooth signal, so those people don't have to get into the face of those attempting to receive services at that facility.  Trying to turn things into a religious fight like that only makes things worse.   If Christians want to really feel persecuted, they ought to transition to Muslim, Judaism or some religion that's really pushed around.

JohanH:

--- Quote from: james_s on March 10, 2023, 06:07:35 pm ---
This is called cherry picking. What are the percentages for workplace fatalities of men vs women in your country? How about the suicide rates? How about emotional abuse? Do you think physical violence is the only kind of violence and abuse that happens in relationships? Women have it easier in general, men get the shaft, of course if you cherry pick statistics and ignore anything that doesn't support your assertion you can make them say anything you want.

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I've heard that this is called whataboutism.

Zero999:

--- Quote from: TomKatt on March 10, 2023, 07:10:17 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on March 10, 2023, 06:42:38 pm ---Meanwhile the UK has introduced thought crimes by outlawing silent prayer, within 150m of abortion clinics.
https://premierchristian.news/en/news/article/landmark-vote-introduces-thought-crime-laws-as-mps-criminalise-silent-prayer-at-abortion-clinics-nationwide

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Not living in the UK or really that familiar with this issue, but a few Googles and my impression is that claim is biased and a politically charged interpretation of a law that simply tries to protect people seeking those services from harassment by others in that vicinity.   Harassment doesn't have to be physical or even verbal - I'm quite sure the people the law is trying to keep out of that buffer zone aren't just standing there in a silent meditative trance like the Dali Llama or something.

So, nobody is monitoring for 'thought crimes' or preventing them from praying.  I have no experience with it, but I suspect if prayers work they likely have more range than a Bluetooth signal, so those people don't have to get into the face of those attempting to receive services at that facility.  Trying to turn things into a religious fight like that only makes things worse.   If Christians want to really feel persecuted, they ought to transition to Muslim, Judaism or some religion that's really pushed around.

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The law is unnecessary because there are already laws in place which prohibit harassment. Silent prayer is not harassment.

Islam certainly does have special privileges in the UK, but that's another matter.

james_s:

--- Quote from: JohanH on March 10, 2023, 07:13:16 pm ---I've heard that this is called whataboutism.

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I think that generally when people bring up "whataboutism" it is just a way of saying something along the lines of "You have brought up a valid point that goes against my view and the cognitive dissonance that creates makes me uncomfortable so I don't want to discuss it." It is a way of shutting down discussion of the bigger picture in order to focus on the cherry picked data in isolation.

Notice that you did not offer anything to counter my points at all, you simply shut down the discussion.

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