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Kim Christensen:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on March 10, 2023, 06:42:38 pm ---And communism is relevant to the discussion because he mentioned positive discrimination which is about ensuring equity for all and was practised by the USSR.

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It is irrelevant. It's about as relevant saying an orange is round when discussing the shape of the Earth with a flatter.
Communism is about economics, not race, gender, discrimination, etc... And it's pretty funny that you tout the USSR as an example since there was plenty of ethnic discrimination under the old Russian regime. They definitely weren't striving for the woke version of racial or gender equality.

Zero999:

--- Quote from: Kim Christensen on March 10, 2023, 07:42:14 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on March 10, 2023, 06:42:38 pm ---And communism is relevant to the discussion because he mentioned positive discrimination which is about ensuring equity for all and was practised by the USSR.

--- End quote ---

It is irrelevant. It's about as relevant saying an orange is round when discussing the shape of the Earth with a flatter.
Communism is about economics, not race, gender, discrimination, etc... And it's pretty funny that you tout the USSR as an example since there was plenty of ethnic discrimination under the old Russian regime. They definitely weren't striving for the woke version of racial or gender equality.

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The USSR practised affirmative action and was probably one of the first countries to do so. Look up Korenizatsiia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korenizatsiia?useskin=vector

Marxism is not just about economics, it's also social philosophy. Advocating for equal outcome i.e. equity for all ethnicities races, sex/gender, classes etc. is Marxist, by definition of the word.

TimFox:
I can't locate the book on my shelves right now, but a good history of political philosophy (starting with Aristotle and Plato and continuing to the present) that I read over ten years ago started its discussion of Marxism by stating that one must disentangle Marx's own political philosophy from the version after he was canonized by the Soviet government.

Kim Christensen:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on March 10, 2023, 08:02:25 pm ---
--- Quote from: Kim Christensen on March 10, 2023, 07:42:14 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on March 10, 2023, 06:42:38 pm ---And communism is relevant to the discussion because he mentioned positive discrimination which is about ensuring equity for all and was practised by the USSR.

--- End quote ---

It is irrelevant. It's about as relevant saying an orange is round when discussing the shape of the Earth with a flatter.
Communism is about economics, not race, gender, discrimination, etc... And it's pretty funny that you tout the USSR as an example since there was plenty of ethnic discrimination under the old Russian regime. They definitely weren't striving for the woke version of racial or gender equality.

--- End quote ---
The USSR practised affirmative action and was probably one of the first countries to do so. Look up Korenizatsiia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korenizatsiia?useskin=vector
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This ended in 1937... Maybe you should have read more than just the first half of that Wiki link.


--- Quote ---Marxism is not just about economics, it's also social philosophy. Advocating for equal outcome i.e. equity for all ethnicities races, sex/gender, classes etc. is Marxist, by definition of the word.

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Then you should have used the correct word (Marxism) in the first place. Communism as practiced by the USSR was not the same as the Marxism envisioned by the German philosopher Karl. Russia was under communist rule for far longer than the short period of idealized Marxism that it started out as.

james_s:
Dave specifically warned us to not talk about socialism, I don't recall if he said anything about communism but that is probably best avoided. Economic ideology is not directly relevant to the topic at hand.

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