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Dilbert loses newspapers, publishers, distributor, and possibly its website
james_s:
--- Quote from: coppice on March 10, 2023, 11:03:11 pm ---True, but most of the emigrants come from one of a few locations, so the people who have migrated to America and Europe are much less diverse than Africa.
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That may be, but I couldn't tell you which locations they come from. I've never met anyone that I know of from the Caribbean, I've met two people that immigrated here from Africa, I never asked what particular countr(ies). Both of them were very nice friendly people that had successful careers.
Nominal Animal:
The idea of majority oppressing minorities, and that a society can be modeled as oppressed/oppressor groups vying for power, was first described by Hegel in 1802. Later, in 1848, Marx and Engels published the Communist Manifesto: "The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles."
The underlying concept of defining societies and societal change via class conflict is a central tenet in Marxism.
As philosophies go, they are quite interesting, and if compared to feudal systems, even the Communist Manifesto is progressive and preferable. I do warmly recommend anyone to look up on the aforementioned people, even if you completely disagree with their conclusions, because there is a lot of thought in there. Even if faulty, there is a lot of good in there. (Just another example of why it is important to not reject the entire thing or person, just because of a few problematic/faulty/disagreeable parts.)
But the point here is not that this or that is Marxist or socialist or communist. Not at all.
The point we should understand is that the idea of majority always oppressing minority, or even modeling human societies using the oppressor-oppressed model, is an ideology and a philosophy, not a fact, theory, or even a scientific model that can be made to fit real world statistics.
Some people choose to believe it axiomatically, and many (at least in Finland) have been and are taught to believe so without questioning it, just like some choose to believe in a supreme being, or the cycle of rebirth, or that humans are fundamentally different from all other animal life on this planet, and so on.
Whether you believe it or not is not the question; what matters is that we recognize it as just a belief, an ideology, a philosophy, not a fact.
And that alternatives, much better rational/logical models for human social organization do exist.
A core part of cancellation (or shunning, as it has been described in history) is that some things are beyond questioning. This is evil, because all the progress humankind has ever made can be tracked down to asking questions. This, and not any particular political view, is what we must denounce for logic and rationality to prevail, and future generations to have a better world.
It is important to understand that even in the middle ages, when they killed people as witches (more men than women, and usually by hanging, here in Finland, oddly enough), those who accused and were the first to lit the fires, truly believed they were protecting their own society, and were being good people. They were the "woke", the righteous, of their own time. Belief and hope and feelings do not suffice, if we are really interested in better outcomes for all.
Now, apply this to how Scott Adams and others are being treated, and how you yourself treat others based on their occasionally weird/bad/disagreeable opinions, and the questions they may ask.
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james_s:
I believe *nothing* is beyond questioning. Gravity can be questioned, morality can be questioned, the laws of physics can be questioned, you better have some damn good evidence if you expect me to change my view on something like the laws of physics but I encourage people to question none the less.
EEVblog:
--- Quote from: imo on March 10, 2023, 10:37:06 pm ---Frankly, it sounds funny to me when the people call today everything "progressive", or "woke", or "somehow left" marxistic.
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Interesting to note that the founders of BLM have described themselves publicly as "trained Marxists"
Kim Christensen:
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on March 11, 2023, 12:19:53 am ---A core part of cancellation (or shunning, as it has been described in history) is that some things are beyond questioning. This is evil, because all the progress humankind has ever made can be tracked down to asking questions. This, and not any particular political view, is what we must denounce for logic and rationality to prevail, and future generations to have a better world.
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Is it though?
If someone advocated murder, theft, rape, etc is this something that our society should allow? I would hardly think that the "cancelling", of a person who used their fame to advocate for those types of things, would be the greater evil. So yes indeed, some things are beyond question. The real debate is what belongs in "the list" of banned ideas, and not whether the act of cancelling is good or evil.
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