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Wallace Gasiewicz:
I am greatly disappointed in the "scientific" community
I have two advanced degrees and did work in research for a short time.
It does not seem that they are adhering to the scientific method. Which is really logic.
The scientific method is limited by our knowledge, which changes as we discover more things, so the conclusions can change.
Also, the statistical results they show are not valid much of the time, many times the wrong statistical approach is taken.
Besides that they are back walking many things that they told us to believe and follow under penalty of law.
Even just disagreeing with them could have serious repercussions, both socially and financially.
Now they are disagreeing with what they themselves put out there as ultimate "truth"
If there was any reasonable cause for "cancellation" .......
I really do not trust anyone anymore on the veracity of their conclusions.
It is really unfortunate. These folks are supposed to be there to inform us, not give us false information and false conclusions.
The validity of "science" and the current practice of medicine is being questioned more and more by the regular people.
You can fool most of the people most of the time and some of the people all of the time but you cannot fool all the people all of the time.
All it takes is a couple of obvious lies from the spokes people to make us seriously doubt their sincerity.
james_s:
--- Quote from: KaneTW on March 12, 2023, 12:58:04 am ---I had a discussion with a friend a while ago and he put it pretty well (paraphrased):
'Millenials always want to be on "the right side" and never on "the wrong side" so they don't feel insecure. They don't want things to be better, they just don't want to be wrong.'
The modern person is so afraid of being wrong that the act of questioning itself is anathema.
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Why is this I wonder? Surely it must be something about one's upbringing that causes this trait. Is it the way so many people grow up completely sheltered from injury and argument? I have a serious worry that social media creates huge echo chambers exactly tailored to a person's views and opinions. This causes people to feel that whatever their views are represent the majority and that anyone who disagrees or sees things differently is a fringe outlier.
Nominal Animal:
--- Quote from: Kim Christensen on March 11, 2023, 04:01:15 pm ---Trump's famous interview where he muses about injecting disinfectant to cure COVID is a good example of what I'm talking about. Here is someone with a huge audience and power casting doubt on the very scientific method that you and I advocate for. It's a classic tactic of trying to make an unqualified, uninformed, & unscientific opinion (Trump's) equal to that of real scientific researchers. That's the kind of testing and questioning that I'm against.
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I understand, but still disagree.
He was still "musing" or "asking questions", not suggesting people actually do so. "It would be interesting to check that. It sounds interesting to me." (Followed by a shrug. I just reviewed the YT video.)
I do the same all the time, in physics subjects –– regardless of my own current understanding in the matter –– and everywhere else. Things like capital punishment: since it hasn't been a law in two centuries, why even bring it up? Because discussing the subject clears it for everyone (except those whose emotions are hurt by the discussion). It would be nice if the truly evil people would just go away –– which is the underlying reason people advocate for capital punishment –– but the fact is, such things work differently in real life. Truly examining it, questioning whether it would work or not, and what the real life effects would be, is what reveals such.
In Finnish politics, quite a few "social justice" laws have been enacted recently. Their true effects have not been investigated or even discussed, exactly because the vocal minority and the politicians who rely on them for their agitation and support have silenced the discussion as "racist" and "sexist" and "transphobic". It does not matter to me whether I agree or disagree with the laws myself; I wholeheartedly object to the lack of serious questioning and discussion. This isn't rational, it's purely emotive; and history tells us this will backfire.
--- Quote from: Kim Christensen on March 11, 2023, 04:01:15 pm ---And yes, scientists have opinions on a topics that are not yet fully resolved.
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When one quarter to three quarters of accepted peer-reviewed publications end up being retracted or unreproducible or heavily revised, I'm not sure scientists' opinions should be considered to have much more weight; especially if they control any kind of research funding. Money talks, and publishing is necessary for continued grants.
Nominal Animal:
--- Quote from: vk6zgo on March 11, 2023, 03:39:07 pm ---
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on March 11, 2023, 02:09:10 pm ---
--- Quote from: vk6zgo on March 11, 2023, 04:49:47 am ---Ohh, I'm so terrified! ;D
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Maybe you have fuck-you money. I don't. It isn't fun to find out a fuckwit has blacklisted you just to gain brownie points from the silly activist group.
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I was "Taking the piss" at your over the top "fear in the majority" comment.
Huge numbers of people are not incensed at every little thing, & hence do not feel fear of "speaking out" over some silly comment made by a self-described celebrity, because they have a lot more important things to worry about.
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Well, I can tell you the situation is definitely not that in the academia, or any field related to research (because researchers social connections to people in academia).
Sure, if I switched to potato farming anywhere in Finland, my own neighbors would consider me as a "leftie", even if right now in academia I'd be "right-wing", or worse, "alt-right". (I left academia. I like potatoes, specifically Puikula and Annabella varieties. Could eat them every day, and have for years.)
I don't know about electrical engineering and that sort of a businesses, or manufacturing and design of products; I just don't have the experience to have any kind of an opinion. But I think in those fields as well, there'd be no offense taken at anything I might say or question, even if I was drugged up or drunk.
So, yes, I do see why you think it was over the top. In some circumstances, locales, contexts, it is; in others, it isn't. It depends on who you need to interact with to go on with your own life. A couple of college/university-age kids among the families is easy to deal with, they're still growing up (even at mid-twenties; at least I was). But when you have to deal with politically-driven adults (and their plans that really affect your life), and people just out of Uni, it's a different thing. Here in Helsinki, this context definitely applies. In a small town or village anywhere in Finland with less than say 5000 people, definitely not.
BrianHG:
--- Quote from: Kim Christensen on March 11, 2023, 10:53:14 pm ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on March 11, 2023, 10:31:39 pm ---Looking back at covid, things that people are now apologising and backtracking for in droves were obvious if you didn't have your mob-mentaility blinkers on. Threatening and coercing people by mandate and fear was always the wrong approach.
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What things are medical experts and scientists apologizing for in droves? Who are these apologists?
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Yes, I want to know too.
And poor/bad reporting/reporters/government propaganda and bad media misrepresenting the actual true words of the true medical professionals and scientists do not count.
(If you cant tell your source of new is garbage and incomplete, in today's world, this is on you. I do not count their voices.)
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