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| EEVblog:
--- Quote from: coppice on March 11, 2023, 04:04:53 pm ---Of course you are. You are Australian. Every Australian I've talked with about free speech agrees they aren't really free to express themselves while they are in Australia. I'm not saying that isn't also true for people from many other nations, but I've found Australians particularly bothered by this. --- End quote --- At least we not being arrested for hate speech, or the cops knocking on the door to "check your thinking" because you insulted someone :P It's correct that we don't have constitutionally protected free speech (or a bill of rights), we do have actually have free speech: https://www.ag.gov.au/rights-and-protections/human-rights-and-anti-discrimination/human-rights-scrutiny/public-sector-guidance-sheets/right-freedom-opinion-and-expression But yeah, but we do have some really shitty laws, like being able to lock up journalists, and the whole covid thing, amoung others. But overall, "free speech" is pretty decent here. |
| EEVblog:
--- Quote from: Kim Christensen on March 11, 2023, 04:01:15 pm ---Trump's famous interview where he muses about injecting disinfectant to cure COVID is a good example of what I'm talking about. --- End quote --- Bringing it back to Adams, he has a famous list of hoaxes: https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1631295633138016259 |
| james_s:
--- Quote from: EEVblog on March 12, 2023, 06:14:29 am --- --- Quote from: coppice on March 11, 2023, 04:04:53 pm ---Of course you are. You are Australian. Every Australian I've talked with about free speech agrees they aren't really free to express themselves while they are in Australia. I'm not saying that isn't also true for people from many other nations, but I've found Australians particularly bothered by this. --- End quote --- At least we not being arrested for hate speech, or the cops knocking on the door to "check your thinking" because you insulted someone :P It's correct that we don't have constitutionally protected free speech (or a bill of rights), we do have actually have free speech: https://www.ag.gov.au/rights-and-protections/human-rights-and-anti-discrimination/human-rights-scrutiny/public-sector-guidance-sheets/right-freedom-opinion-and-expression But yeah, but we do have some really shitty laws, like being able to lock up journalists, and the whole covid thing, amoung others. But overall, "free speech" is pretty decent here. --- End quote --- I was really shocked to learn the UK had arrested several times more people for speech violations than Russia, that's truly terrifying that a modern, civilized nation would be doing that. The law is so broad and vague that any one of us could be charged. |
| Nominal Animal:
Well, at least in Australia, you can quote the bible without getting prosecuted. Not so here in Finland (see Päivi Räsänen). She was one of the original proponents of the hate speech laws now being applied against her, repeatedly. (I don't particularly like her, but it does take quite a weird worldview to interpret her words as 'incitement' to anything. She always says that Christians/Lutherans especially should be compassionate and accepting towards every individual, and not judge them, since everyone has their own flaws.) It is quite funny that even though we just set a law that lets everyone change their gender just by self-reporting (at most once per year), and we still have various gender quotas in statutes, asking the question "what is a woman" –– especially in the sense that what is the legal definition of female, since Finnish language has only one word for "sex" and "gender": "sukupuoli" –– is considered deplorable far-right/alt-right trolling. There is only one use of "sukupuoli" in the Finnish law, encompassing all four aspects: legal sex/gender ("juridinen sukupuoli"), biological sex ("biologinen sukupuoli") dictated by genetics, gender ("sosiaalinen sukupuoli"), and gender identity ("sukupuoli-identiteetti"). I'd like to know –– and also discuss/debate, because I only really know how to learn by asking questions, because otherwise I can only parrot statements given to me axiomatically instead of integrating them into my understanding –– how all of this is supposed to work, both legally, and socially. No can do: I'm told I'm a right-wing troll by even suggesting such a discussion. Dammit! |
| ebastler:
--- Quote from: EEVblog on March 12, 2023, 06:23:13 am ---Bringing it back to Adams, he has a famous list of hoaxes: https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1631295633138016259 --- End quote --- The fact that Scott Adams frames all of these as "hoaxes", despite the fact that many of them are well-documented to be true (including proper context), is bad, but unfortunately what I expect of Adams these days. The fact that you buy into this, and repeat the "hoax" framing, is disappointing. You are using this forum to push your own opinions and agenda. Not what I would expect from a good host -- and specifically a host who has the power to determine which threads get locked, which posts deleted, which users banned. |
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