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Nominal Animal:

--- Quote from: PlainName on March 12, 2023, 11:10:34 am ---That is Trump's MO, presumably used to prevent any negative comeback. "Some smart people have said he fiddles with kids. Maybe he does - I don't know." Of course, he says that kind of thing not because anyone has actually said what he purports but to plant the idea, and then reiterates that he's not saying that "but maybe there's something in it".
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This is what I call "social games" (or word games), trying to manipulate others, and I hate it.

In my opinion, the correct response is "Who are those smart people?" and "Why do you think it could be possible there's something in it?".
If they are not able to make a coherent argument as to the latter, I do love to restate the question, replacing the asker in it, and follow up with a reference to psychological projection – because it surprisingly often is.  You know, make them define their question precisely, since they are asking it; and not let them get away with fuzzy emotive insinuations.

If the question itself has merit, it can be defended –– but only if someone challenges the question, instead of just canceling the asker.


--- Quote from: PlainName on March 12, 2023, 11:10:34 am ---Specifically to the bleach thing, there is surely a time and place to ask things and suggest things, and when speaking as The Official Word in front of the entire world is surely not it.
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Sure; those speaking to millions do need to be held to a higher standard than those who just talk amongst friends/colleagues.


--- Quote from: PlainName on March 12, 2023, 11:10:34 am ---Trump is actually a great example of how 'just asking' is really not that at all.
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Just like leading questions –– "have you stopped beating your wife yet?" ––, there are insinuations that are technically phrased as questions, that either cannot be answered, or are not intended to be answered.  They do need to be challenged; but I still insist that shunning or cancellation is always the wrong solution, evil.

However, the exact line between genuine and non-genuine questions is very difficult to draw.

I would prefer that anyone asking questions that can be interpreted as non-genuine, were challenged directly: pressed to precisely define or rephrase the question to make it unambiguous and answerable, with a basis as to why the question should be considered in the first place.

For example, in my hypotethical capital punishment law case, I would simply answer that there being currently more than one repeated murderer who have killed again soon after being released, some people see capital punishment as the most efficient way to stop them from repeating their offenses, but I believe they forget the practicalities of such a punishment as evidenced by the statistics in other countries that do apply capital punishment.

In the case of politicians talking bullshit –– which happens fairly often at least here, on all sides of the political spectrum ––, I would like for the reporters to confront them about it, and let the people decide for themselves.  What I do not want, is for reporters to decide not to publish it because they do not think people should hear it (either because it is embarrassing to the politician that many reporters support, or because it is an insinuation by a snide/annoying politician and reporters don't want people to mistakenly believe it has merit).

No "cancellation" by any news media or reporter, in other words, no matter how inane their utterances.

Long ago, "news" referred to events, with reporters seeking them out.  Nowadays, "news" refers to emotions celebrities have to events that are happening or have happened, with reporters considering themselves as the filters, the gatekeepers of knowledge, protecting the public from Misinformation and Disinformation.  At least here in Finland, that is.  Hopefully you have better reporters wherever you are...

(As I mentioned to JohanH, Hbl is still pretty good; comparing to Hesari shows rather interesting skew in the latter... Similarly for Swedish vs. Finnish-language news reports on Yle, the national broadcaster.)
Wallace Gasiewicz:
Trump's quote:



Sounds to me he was talking about lung lavage not "injection"

That is IF he knew what he was talking about, I don't know.

Did not mention bleach.
ebastler:

--- Quote from: EEVblog on March 12, 2023, 10:26:25 am ---
--- Quote from: ebastler on March 12, 2023, 08:35:47 am ---The fact that you buy into this, and repeat the "hoax" framing, is disappointing.
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I'm at least somewhat trying to keep this thread Scott Adams focussed, unlike most here it seems.

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Talking about Scott Adams is fine, of course. What I find disappointing is that you parroted his "hoax" framing and made it your own that way.


--- Quote ---But not once, in 12 years have I ever banned anyone from this forum for having an opinion I don't like.
And do you really think I'm pushing "opinions and agenda" here? Really? You have absolutely no clue how restrained I am on here, nor do you have a clue what my "agenda" is.

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Agree, I do not recall a user being banned for the wrong opinions, only for breaking the forum rules. But I find it notable that threads where certain political opinions are dominant will remain open, while others (with opinions you seem to care less about) get locked. The "diversity, equity and inclusion" thread comes to mind, and this one of course.


--- Quote ---How about you actually post something on topic in this thread instead of mind reading me. Another thing Adams teaches BTW, brining it back on topic again. Let's see you actually try...

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You mean, like here? You will also find that all my earlier posts in this thread were on topic.
m k:

--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on March 12, 2023, 09:49:45 am ---Besides, if adults are so stupid that when they hear someone talk about injecting disinfectant, go and kill themselves with bleach, I consider it a win for the species: Darwin award worthy.  Same goes with cats in microwave ovens, repeated strain injury warnings on keyboards, and so on.

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Around here all moose warning traffic signs were earlier placed after an incident.

If oven maker has bought a dead cat you can bet the warning will appear.
Can't verify that old Honda motorcycle mirror had a behind you text but I've seen one once, maybe it was a prank.

One must wonder how much bias is affecting reading.
Is the word changing, longer text clearly is.
Is the non biasing part blurring away.

What should happen to those who are sentenced to be in prison for possessing marijuana in free marijuana state?
Is it same with the "not really questioning" one with substance amount of cargo ship load?
How much more criminal is a slower marijuana possessing runner who couldn't escape to free marijuana state?
vk6zgo:

--- Quote from: james_s on March 12, 2023, 07:05:13 am ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on March 12, 2023, 06:14:29 am ---
--- Quote from: coppice on March 11, 2023, 04:04:53 pm ---Of course you are. You are Australian. Every Australian I've talked with about free speech agrees they aren't really free to express themselves while they are in Australia. I'm not saying that isn't also true for people from many other nations, but I've found Australians particularly bothered by this.
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At least we not being arrested for hate speech, or the cops knocking on the door to "check your thinking" because you insulted someone :P

It's correct that we don't have constitutionally protected free speech (or a bill of rights), we do have actually have free speech:
https://www.ag.gov.au/rights-and-protections/human-rights-and-anti-discrimination/human-rights-scrutiny/public-sector-guidance-sheets/right-freedom-opinion-and-expression
But yeah, but we do have some really shitty laws, like being able to lock up journalists, and the whole covid thing, amoung others. But overall, "free speech" is pretty decent here.

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I was really shocked to learn the UK had arrested several times more people for speech violations than Russia, that's truly terrifying that a modern, civilized nation would be doing that. The law is so broad and vague that any one of us could be charged.

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The problem is, several so-called news outlets are happy to "lie in their teeth", if they can get people with very little knowledge of the country referred to to click onto their page.
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