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Dilbert loses newspapers, publishers, distributor, and possibly its website
EEVblog:
--- Quote from: EEVblog on March 13, 2023, 12:45:46 am ---Can we please stop the Trump stuff.
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That wasn't an invitation to start with the covid stuff.
SiliconWizard:
Surgical masks are meant to prevent bacteria from entering surgical wounds, not viruses. And incidentally to prevent medical staff from inhaling/swallowing patients' blood or anything else nasty that could come out. ::)
EEVblog:
Looks like he has 109k followers on Locals. Don't know how many paid though.
Following (unpaid) with my existing Locals account I can see his first Dilbert Reborn strip.
He recently gave permission for people to use but but not actively republish the strip, so here is the first strip, 1 of 3, I'll just post the first one. Dilbert dies and was cremated.
You guessed it, in the next one he's reborn from the dumpster.
Someone:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on March 13, 2023, 09:52:13 pm ---
--- Quote from: Someone on March 12, 2023, 11:31:22 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on March 12, 2023, 10:14:17 pm ---My point was making a non-sterilising vaccine a condition of work, or to go to public events was the issue. The vaccine is very good at preventing severe disease and death. People get infected, but it's much milder, than it would've been had they not had the disease or vaccine, so it's definitely useful. It's just questionable whether it's beneficial for all.
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If it [the vaccine in Australia] wasn't mandatory, the uptake would have been too low to keep the hospitals from collapse (which did happen in the UK and some other countries). Pretty much all the public health measures were just to balance hospital capacity and continues today. Isolation and/or Vaccination, one of those is much easier to sell politically.
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The fact it wasn't mandatory had nothing to do with the UK's hospitals being over-crowded. Most of the pressure on the NHS occurred at a time, before the vaccine was approved (Spring 2020) and during the point people were queuing up to take it (winter 2020/2021) and it had to be given to those who were deemed to be more vulnerable. Uptake amongst the vulnerable was more than high enough to ensure the NHS could cope. This was one of the reasons why the Delta and Omicron waves didn't cause as much of a problem as the previous ones.
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I've added the situational clarification to the above. Many people will get the vaccine only when they feel it will immediately help them which is a rational position for them to take individually, but people tend to be very bad as assessing risks so rational does not equal effective/efficient for the population. Had there been no vaccine mandate in Australia the hospitals would have fallen over like they did in the UK (or other measures would have been needed like longer and harsher isolation/lockdown) as the uptake was very slow.
The UK didn't have the luxury of deciding how/when to roll out the vaccine as the virus was already running wild, but Australia ran a "zero" transmission effort/regime during that same period. Lockdowns couldn't run indefinitely (political or financial) and the vaccine uptake wasn't moving fast enough (for the suggested modelling) without a mandate. Even with all that fiddling and pulling of levers, the hospitals in Australia squeaked through by pushing back "elective" procedures and things like cancer screening. Overall effects are a hard thing to measure, the health care that hasn't been provided because of dealing with covid patients (even without attention grabbing hospital collapse) is a huge and growing cost that could have been lessened with more aggressive vaccination (the health system has been publicising heavily on the ratio of unvaccinated people hospitalised for covid) and/or isolation and/or [insert you choice of control method here].
As we're both in agreement on, keep people informed of the moving data is important. But most of the public can't ingest this sort of complexity and need/want a simple "rule".
EEVblog:
Ok, Just STOP IT with the covid posts.
I'm deleting any further posts.
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