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wilfred:

--- Quote from: MK14 on March 14, 2023, 11:04:48 am ---
One of the major reasons, is it is believed to cause (political discussions), potential major tensions between members.  Bad disagreements, which can spill over to the normal forum threads, and lead to dramatic increases in the need for mod/admin attention.

It can also attract, the wrong sort of members.  Who, rather than discussing Electronics and related subjects, come here with other agendas, and who may not be anything at all to do, with any technical subjects.

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Yes, I don't disagree with that. But the thread is on the forum now anyway. If the wrong sort of member can post in section A then they can post in section B. I don't see how the section the thread/topic resides in changes anything. Except that those who think it doesn't belong in a technical electronics section won't have anything to complain about.

Nominal Animal:

--- Quote from: m k on March 14, 2023, 10:32:41 am ---One could argue that community moderation is also cancel.

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I see the line of your thinking.

The way I see it, the core concept in the "cancellation" is what used to be called shunning.
Online, that requires some kind of banning.  Even at Twitter, when a specific person blocks you from following them, it is not called "cancelling", it's just blocking.

I can understand how this all might be considered a continuous spectrum of actions, though.  I personally believe there is a clear line when it includes demanding others to ignore the target too.  I find boycotting or ignoring the target yourself, and mentioning you do so without telling others to follow suit, acceptable.  Saying "I ignore them, because they're always wrong.  If you intend to interact with me, you will be ignoring them too." is going over the line to unacceptable, and saying "If you are a good human, you will ignore them" is blatantly evil.  Spectrum, yes, but with a very specific line that should not be crossed.

Others disagree, of course, and that is absolutely fine.  What matters is the reason behind the opinion, because we can evaluate those reasons, and see if they matter to ourselves.

In my case, the reason for placing that line right there is history and psychology.  As a political tool, it has never worked.  As a social tool, it compels specific behaviour.  I do not see either having any positive effects, but plenty of negative effects, in current peace-time Western societies.

I do not believe in ignoring someone just because of a silly/bad opinion, either.  I only ignore people when I feel I cannot interact with them in a mutually beneficial manner.  In social and psychological terms, ignoring someone is quite a negative act by itself; definitely not a neutral one that should be done on a whim.  As mentioned earlier in this thread, Dave even made a video about this, and how ignoring people willy-nilly is counterproductive.


--- Quote from: m k on March 14, 2023, 10:32:41 am ---But more importantly, Lineker is back.

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Who?  Oh.  Not my cuppa tea.

Well, my opinion is that if his political views doesn't show up in his sports commentary, why should his politics affect his career?
Exactly like why should the political views of a cartoonist affect the publication of that cartoon, if those views do not show up in the cartoon.

One thing here that I absolutely love, is that I can argue about one thing in a given thread with some member or members, and in an unrelated thread interact with them positively without that other argument affecting it.  It is important to me.  It is useful, because even with the disagreement, we can still interact in a mutually positive manner.  And I do believe that if more people were capable of that, also in real life, it would help make the world a better place.

Of course, this is completely opposite to the current cancel culture in social media.

MK14:

--- Quote from: wilfred on March 14, 2023, 11:14:05 am ---
--- Quote from: MK14 on March 14, 2023, 11:04:48 am ---
One of the major reasons, is it is believed to cause (political discussions), potential major tensions between members.  Bad disagreements, which can spill over to the normal forum threads, and lead to dramatic increases in the need for mod/admin attention.

It can also attract, the wrong sort of members.  Who, rather than discussing Electronics and related subjects, come here with other agendas, and who may not be anything at all to do, with any technical subjects.

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Yes, I don't disagree with that. But the thread is on the forum now anyway. If the wrong sort of member can post in section A then they can post in section B. I don't see how the section the thread/topic resides in changes anything. Except that those who think it doesn't belong in a technical electronics section won't have anything to complain about.

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Let's put it another way.  It can be done, and there are example(s), where other forums have done it.  But, they seem to (in my, limited experience of it), lay down very strict rules, and have lots and lots of moderators and administrators on hand, to deal with any difficulties.

But, we don't have lots of moderators / administrators here, and from what I've seen, the admin team, became or was already, very, very heavy handed, to keep it in touch (on other forum(s) ).

Despite all those things I just said.  Many of the posts (in the political section), are of rather poor quality (and I'm being nice, here).  I.e. Most or many of the posts, are noise.

Also, it does seem to attract, trolls and other types of rather annoying posters.

Part of the reason, it can work, on other forums.  Is because, if there are a large number of administrators and moderators.  There can be a big mixture of political leanings / opinions / knowledge, between them.  Which can allow them to more effectively, handle such things.

Also, at least one of those forums (probably others, as well), will (or can be perceived as doing) temporary-ban / vacation, members, for the tiniest / slightest of infractions. Which also, can create tensions.

wilfred:

--- Quote from: MK14 on March 14, 2023, 11:28:41 am ---
Let's put it another way.  It can be done, and there are example(s), where other forums have done it.  But, they seem to (in my, limited experience of it), lay down very strict rules, and have lots and lots of moderators and administrators on hand, to deal with any difficulties.


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I perfectly understand what you're saying. But whatever moderation the thread needs it will need wherever it sits. As long as the same members can post in it. I'm just saying put non electronics topics in a special "of interest to engineers" section for non-electronics discussion. I don't want trump and covid and gender discussion period but moderating that out still needs to be done as Dave has had to request repeatedly in this topic. And those who don't want any of that even to the extent it would be of general interest to engineers in an "electronics" board will also be satisfied. The reason is really the same as the reason for putting Cooking outside the General Technical Chat. And don't forget the General Technical Chat" was once simply "General Chat" so there was a thought at one time to tighten down what is considered topical for this board. That's all I'm saying.

Muttley Snickers:
The subject was last put to bed six months ago and the last poll had 88 against, 70 for it and 22 couldn't give a toss either way.   :-\

I enjoy a good waffle as much as anyone but I don't think this is the place for it.   :-X 

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/important-poll-should-there-be-an-off-topic-section/

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