General > General Technical Chat

Dilbert loses newspapers, publishers, distributor, and possibly its website

<< < (165/222) > >>

Tomorokoshi:
Can you square the contradiction between these two statements:


--- Quote from: EEVblog on March 16, 2023, 10:13:22 am ---
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on March 16, 2023, 05:03:22 am ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on March 16, 2023, 02:24:20 am ---I have long time fans who now absolutely hate my guts and think I'm a *insert -ism - phobe" piece of shite because they saw someone out of context post of mine reposted somewhere. If people are pre-disposed to that sort of reactionary thinking then literally the smallest thing you say can trigger them off. Even just following someone like Adams and still liking Dilbert will be enough to trigger them.
It's just an unfortunate fact of moden social conditioning and outrage culture.

--- End quote ---
In academia, especially lecturing, 'networking' and 'reputation' is key, and this sort of stuff is career death.

--- End quote ---

Which is why just the fear of cancel culture works, it keeps people silent. Head down and shut up.


--- Quote ---But until it happens to oneself or a close associate, most people just do not believe it could happen to them.  Weird.
--- End quote ---

Yup. Let's just say this has happened to more than one left learning woke friend of mine. And also friends of other creators who are equally "problematic" like I am. If you aren't 100% towing the line they'll eat you alive.
And yes, it's practically a 100% left leaning phenomenom. The "right" seem to just shrug their shoulders and go, meh.

--- End quote ---

and...


--- Quote from: EEVblog on March 09, 2023, 02:44:43 am ---
--- Quote from: Tomorokoshi on March 09, 2023, 02:36:01 am ---Dave, so you want to discuss "cancel culture", without any aspect of race or politics?
--- End quote ---

Yes. If you think you can't do that, then don't.

--- End quote ---

EEVblog:

--- Quote from: Tomorokoshi on March 16, 2023, 11:24:04 pm ---Can you square the contradiction between these two statements:
--- End quote ---

It's The Vibe

JohanH:

--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on March 16, 2023, 02:08:16 pm --- This easily explains why that culture has permeated our school system so thoroughly in the last ten-fifteen years.  As the baby boomers have retired, there was simply nobody left to push back on the ideologically-driven hogwash.  And the results we already know: PISA scores plummeting.

--- End quote ---

Do you have a source or is this your own conclusion?

Nominal Animal:

--- Quote from: Tomorokoshi on March 16, 2023, 11:24:04 pm ---Can you square the contradiction between these two statements:

--- End quote ---
I can.  It is not causation, it is statistical correlation, via personality traits.

It does not mean that your personality traits dictate who you vote for, at all.  It simply means it seems that the big 5 personality traits that are common among those who agree with the social justice / cancellation / shunning going on, tend to currently have very left-leaning political views.

What is the key here, is that not all who have left-leaning political views are cancelists!

Note that I myself pointed out that in the past, when the mainstream conformist pressure was towards conservatism, the cancelist/shunners were conservative.  This all goes down into herd mentality and social pressure mechanisms in urban environments.

Dave's "And yes, it's practically a 100% left leaning phenomenom. The "right" seem to just shrug their shoulders and go, meh." is my observation also.
Note: my observation.  That is also how I understood Dave meant it too:  that Dave hasn't seen any right-wingers trying to cancel others.

I do understand that in USA, McCarthyism was a thing (right-wing cancellism), but hasn't been a thing for decades now.


--- Quote from: JohanH on March 17, 2023, 07:45:27 am ---
--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on March 16, 2023, 02:08:16 pm ---This easily explains why that culture has permeated our school system so thoroughly in the last ten-fifteen years.  As the baby boomers have retired, there was simply nobody left to push back on the ideologically-driven hogwash.  And the results we already know: PISA scores plummeting.

--- End quote ---
Do you have a source or is this your own conclusion?

--- End quote ---
My own conclusion, largely based on my personal contacts and observations wrt. teacher education in the last two decades.  I could have prefaced that paragraph with "in my opinion", but I thought it obvious.

If you are interested in finding out for yourself, I recommend you compare the comprehensive school curriculum (suomeksi, på svenska), to those in say mid-1990s.  (Of course, the old ones are not on the web, so to do such research, you need to contact OPH and hope you find someone willing to do extra work for you.)

The current one is full of ideas and models created in this century, relying on them without any scientific basis, except for their proponents hopes and beliefs.  'Yhteisöllinen oppiminen', or 'community learning', is a central one; and quite a few comprehensive school teachers I know say that it just does not work at all in practice.  If you take the time to read through it, and do a proper source review for each concept embedded in it, you'll find that "hogwash" is an apt characterization for it.

JohanH:

--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on March 17, 2023, 10:18:33 am ---
My own conclusion, largely based on my personal contacts and observations wrt. teacher education in the last two decades.  I could have prefaced that paragraph with "in my opinion", but I thought it obvious.


--- End quote ---

I will continue to regard this as your opinion, until I see evidence of this connection. When announcing such beliefs, it's important to tell so, otherwise people could believe it as a commonly known fact, backed by e.g. scientific research. It also sounds like other typical populist statements.

I don't know much about the area of teacher curriculum, but I've observed elementary, vocational and high school educations as a parent (and as elected representative in boards of education for elementary schools) and I've nothing to complain about. In fact, teaching and schools in Finland today are superior compared to the schools I attended to as a kid. This cancellation mob culture thing you are talking about, it's the opposite of what kids are thought. Now my kids haven't attended university (yet), so I have no knowledge about that. But you would think it would somehow show through their teachers if that's the case. This is my narrow experience and opinion.

Navigation

[0] Message Index

[#] Next page

[*] Previous page

There was an error while thanking
Thanking...
Go to full version
Powered by SMFPacks Advanced Attachments Uploader Mod