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Nominal Animal:

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--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on March 17, 2023, 10:18:33 am ---
My own conclusion, largely based on my personal contacts and observations wrt. teacher education in the last two decades.  I could have prefaced that paragraph with "in my opinion", but I thought it obvious.

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I will continue to regard this as your opinion, until I see evidence of this connection.

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Why don't you check out the links I provided, then?  Or do you not consider the mathematical literacy dropping to 16th place in 2018, from 2nd place in 2006, as being significant?

Just out of interest, what else could it be?  Kids nowadays being stupider than before?  Or do you believe that Occam's razor cannot be applied when the conclusions are contrary to your current ideology?  Or perhaps PISA scores somehow do not reflect the truth?

The one big change there is, is the core curriculum.  Group sizes are no larger on average than they were in the mid-nineties.  There used to be special needs classes, but no longer because "inclusivity" – which is stated as part of the core curriculum.  Similarly for "community learning" or "social learning", which is opposite to the princples applied in Estonia.  Which, by the way, is doing exceptionally well, better than any other Western country.

Why doesn't Finland follow Estonia's lead?  (There must be something more than just our minister of education, Li Andersson, not appreciating Estonia as it is too right-wing for her tastes –– she does describe herself as a Marxist, after all.)


--- Quote from: JohanH on March 17, 2023, 11:43:58 am ---It also sounds like other typical populist statements.
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Sounds?  To whom?  Do you have any basis for that, or are you just calling me a populist because you don't like me?


--- Quote from: JohanH on March 17, 2023, 11:43:58 am ---I've nothing to complain about. In fact, teaching and schools in Finland today are superior compared to the schools I attended to as a kid.

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Ah, so you ascribe to the "kids nowadays are just stupider than we were" or to the "PISA scores do not reflect reality" stances, then?

Very good, sir.
tszaboo:

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--- Quote from: nctnico on March 16, 2023, 10:42:44 am ---I tend to agree with Dave that the problem is in the society -if that is what he is suggesting-.

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Yes, the grievance/victim/oppresor culture is being actively taught in the universities and filters out into society. it's a well documented phenomenom actually and has been happening for decades. Social media gave the movement god-like powers.
Adams touched on this in todays live show, talking about success mindsets, and how an SJW/DEI/ESG focussed mindset is ultimately a guaranteed losing mindset.

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I don't think there was a self-made CEO of any company who was socialist. It's just an incompatible mindset with it.
But they started to place diversity hires into these positions, and then somehow the company's bottom line suffers. I wonder why?
The Silicon Valley Bank that went out of business? The lady responsible for the risk assessment of the company's assets was more concerned about wokeness than doing her job, they put their money into junk bonds, interest rate went up. They gave bonuses to everyone hours before closing down.
So we are at a stage, where you have to interview your bank, your kindergarden teacher, your doctor, your employer, insurance provider, and so on. "Hey, how woke are you? Are you going to act in my best interest, or are  you just an NPC, brainwashed with social propaganda?"
JohanH:

--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on March 17, 2023, 12:39:27 pm ---Why don't you check out the links I provided, then?  Or do you not consider the mathematical literacy dropping to 16th place in 2018, from 2nd place in 2006, as being significant?

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I don't dispute numbers, that's not the point.


--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on March 17, 2023, 12:39:27 pm ---Sounds?  To whom?  Do you have any basis for that, or are you just calling me a populist because you don't like me?

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It sounded like that to me. But now you are assuming things. I haven't said that I don't like you. Actually I like your forum profile, because you have very insightful posts in this forum. I meant that it sounded like such a statement, because you connected two things that don't yet have been shown to have such a connection. That's typical for populist statements.


--- Quote from: Nominal Animal on March 17, 2023, 12:39:27 pm ---Ah, so you ascribe to the "kids nowadays are just stupider than we were" or to the "PISA scores do not reflect reality" stances, then?

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No, I didn't say anything about that. My experience of the current education has been positive. It could be a subjective experience and I cannot tell how successful the whole system is. Of course I can see that PISA scores are worse. And for what I know, the curriculum could be one of the causes (but it could very well be other factors also). I don't dispute numbers. It's your connection to the "cancel mob" that I don't see.
PlainName:

--- Quote ---I don't think there was a self-made CEO of any company who was socialist. It's just an incompatible mindset with it.
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Julian Richer?


--- Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richer_Sounds ---In November 2013 Julian Richer announced to the press that, upon his death, he would bequeath 100% of the firm to a trust co-owned by employees of the company.[3][4] In May 2019 Richer, then aged 60, announced that he had transferred ownership to employees by passing 60% of his shares to a trust,[5] as well as separately paying each of his over 500 employees, excluding directors,[6] from his own pocket a thank you bonus of £1,000[7] for every year of work, a total of about £4 million, as the employees had worked for an average of 8 years each.
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fourfathom:

--- Quote from: JohanH on March 17, 2023, 02:44:44 pm --- it sounded like such a statement, because you connected two things that don't yet have been shown to have such a connection. That's typical for populist statements.
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Wow. 

This "correlation = causation" belief is typical for *all* groups.  And in many cases, the correlation is no better than random chance.  Here I see this mostly in left-wing groups, but sure, right-wing or center groups also do this.  It's just that on the West coast USA where I live (San Francisco / Portland / Seattle), all the noise comes from the left.
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