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jasonRF:

--- Quote from: james_s on March 14, 2023, 08:51:55 pm ---
The way I look at it, allowing threads like this to exist at all involves bending the rules, and I appreciate that it has been allowed in moderation because the topic is interesting and relevant, but it has to remain civil, and it's nice that it's contained in one or two threads which are easily avoided for those not interested. It would totally ruin the forum if it spread everywhere and took over.

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Yup.  These kinds of threads should be few and far between, if allowed at all.  I used to be fairly active on physicsforums and their strict ban on politics and religion was always appreciated.  There are a lot of other forums you can go to if you want to argue about that stuff. 

jason
EEVblog:

--- Quote from: jasonRF on March 17, 2023, 11:47:49 pm ---
--- Quote from: james_s on March 14, 2023, 08:51:55 pm ---
The way I look at it, allowing threads like this to exist at all involves bending the rules, and I appreciate that it has been allowed in moderation because the topic is interesting and relevant, but it has to remain civil, and it's nice that it's contained in one or two threads which are easily avoided for those not interested. It would totally ruin the forum if it spread everywhere and took over.

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Yup.  These kinds of threads should be few and far between, if allowed at all.  I used to be fairly active on physicsforums and their strict ban on politics and religion was always appreciated.  There are a lot of other forums you can go to if you want to argue about that stuff. 

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Unfortunately it's going off the rails again. The problem with deleting posts is that you piss people off and they can potentially leave the forum in a huff. Yet I don't want to have to say "Please keep it on topic" every page. And I don't want to lock it. So  :-//
PlainName:
Doesn't the number of different contributors show that there is still interest in whatever this thread is about. It's not like it's just two people arguing the toss. So perhaps better to leave this one running to contain whatever it is here than have it drift into other threads? So long as it's all even-tempered, what's the problem?

We get that you're bored of it now but you can always drop out, you know. There's an ignore thread feature to make it easy! I'm sure someone will let you know if ever your moderation skills were required to kill it off.
james_s:

--- Quote from: JohanH on March 17, 2023, 08:54:24 pm ---It seems right wing to me, because I've seen similar populist ideas by conservatives and right wing politicians over here. Typically blaming the state, state media, education etc of being too liberal or "leftist". I don't have an explanation for that connection, because I didn't make such a connection. I didn't know that anyone did such a connection to begin with.

I don't think the arrest warrant on Putin is useless. Maybe for the US, because the US haven't recognized the ICC, but 123 other countries have. So at least it has an important symbolic meaning. The ICC has judged several important cases and put war criminals in prison. I don't know if that will ever happen to Putin, but now at least Russia appeasers in Europe will have a harder time licking Putin's *ss, so to speak. It will be much harder to shake his hand without moving to some Arab country afterwards (yes, there are already examples of politicians who did this when Russia started their full scale invasion).

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I've seen populists drink water, I also drink water, does that make me populist? If a group you don't like comes up with an idea that doesn't mean the idea is wrong. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but it's worth exploring. If you think that idea is wrong then please offer an alternate theory, if nobody ever discusses it further than "that's nuttery" then it will never be solved.

Symbolic meaning is useless, it does nothing except making some people feel good like they are doing something. I take no issue with somebody arresting Putin, but I just don't see how that warrant is going to lead to that. I'd never heard of ICC until today, it doesn't seem they have much in the way of teeth.
vk6zgo:

--- Quote from: james_s on March 18, 2023, 12:00:58 am ---
--- Quote from: JohanH on March 17, 2023, 08:54:24 pm ---It seems right wing to me, because I've seen similar populist ideas by conservatives and right wing politicians over here. Typically blaming the state, state media, education etc of being too liberal or "leftist". I don't have an explanation for that connection, because I didn't make such a connection. I didn't know that anyone did such a connection to begin with.

I don't think the arrest warrant on Putin is useless. Maybe for the US, because the US haven't recognized the ICC, but 123 other countries have. So at least it has an important symbolic meaning. The ICC has judged several important cases and put war criminals in prison. I don't know if that will ever happen to Putin, but now at least Russia appeasers in Europe will have a harder time licking Putin's *ss, so to speak. It will be much harder to shake his hand without moving to some Arab country afterwards (yes, there are already examples of politicians who did this when Russia started their full scale invasion).

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I've seen populists drink water, I also drink water, does that make me populist? If a group you don't like comes up with an idea that doesn't mean the idea is wrong. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but it's worth exploring. If you think that idea is wrong then please offer an alternate theory, if nobody ever discusses it further than "that's nuttery" then it will never be solved.

Symbolic meaning is useless, it does nothing except making some people feel good like they are doing something. I take no issue with somebody arresting Putin, but I just don't see how that warrant is going to lead to that. I'd never heard of ICC until today, it doesn't seem they have much in the way of teeth.

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You say "symbolic meaning is useless", & yet in the USA, people regularly "salute the flag".
They don't, unless they are a bit unhinged, revere a piece of cloth---it is a symbol.

Australians & New Zealanders commemorate Anzac Day every year, but logically, it is just another day of the year.

King Charles III will be crowned in Winchester Abbey, with all the pomp & ceremony that entails---why? he is already King; it doesn't make him any more so.

All just "symbolic meaning".

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