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Dilbert loses newspapers, publishers, distributor, and possibly its website
vk6zgo:
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--- Quote from: EEVblog on March 18, 2023, 12:25:31 am ---Please stick to the topic.
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Once again, Dave, I seem to have been a part of the derailment.
Not thru any action of my own, though, this time. It is just that what I described in #504 a bit over a week ago as a pattern happening often in Finland, repeated here on your forum a few hours ago, causing the derailment.
:palm:
I have to admit, as a tactic to get people to silence themselves, it does work. It definitely decreases my willingness to engage anyone on this general subject in the future. Not because of fear of cancellation, but just out of sheer disgust.
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It seems that whereas others hear hoofbeats & say "Just horses", you think "Unicorns" & post great slabs of text to try to batter people into agreement with you.
When they maintain their disagreement, you accuse them of cancelling you.
james_s:
--- Quote from: vk6zgo on March 18, 2023, 04:00:39 am ---It seems that whereas others hear hoofbeats & say "Just horses", you think "Unicorns" & post great slabs of text to try to batter people into agreement with you.
When they maintain their disagreement, you accuse them of cancelling you.
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Where did he say anything about anyone cancelling him?
Nominal Animal:
--- Quote from: vk6zgo on March 18, 2023, 04:00:39 am ---When they maintain their disagreement, you accuse them of cancelling you.
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Eh, what? Accusing me of "right-wing nuttery" and "conservative conspiracy stories" after explicitly refusing to look at the documentation I linked to as a basis for my current understanding is "maintaining their disagreement" to you? :o
And where did I accuse anyone of cancelling me?
--- Quote from: vk6zgo on March 18, 2023, 04:00:39 am ---You [...] try to batter people into agreement with you.
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No. I try to "batter them" to explain the basis of their opinion, because opinions themselves have zero value to me, only the reasons those opinions and understanding is based on has. If they cannot or do not want to explain why they hold that opinion, why should anyone care about the opinion at all?
It's like plop, here's mine. Take it or leave it.
No exchange of information, no interaction, nothing of value.
I for sure am not interested in any kind of "discussion" where people drop off their opinions as if they were nuggets of gold. Opinions are turds. Especially so when adopted wholesale from an authority without understanding exactly why one should hold that opinion; then it is just negative-worth parroting.
What is interesting and useful, is the reasoning and experiences that shaped those opinions and understanding. Those can be compared, analyzed, and even weighed against ones own experiences and understanding, to quantify their relevance to oneself. Any opinion I hold now, will –– and must, if I consider myself a rational being! –– change, as my understanding changes and acquire additional experience.
If pushing people to explain the basis of their opinions and understanding is "battering them", then so be it. I guess I am doing it right now, am I?
vk6zgo:
--- Quote from: james_s on March 18, 2023, 06:34:57 am ---
--- Quote from: vk6zgo on March 18, 2023, 04:00:39 am ---It seems that whereas others hear hoofbeats & say "Just horses", you think "Unicorns" & post great slabs of text to try to batter people into agreement with you.
When they maintain their disagreement, you accuse them of cancelling you.
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Where did he say anything about anyone cancelling him?
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Quoting him directly:-
"Not thru any action of my own, though, this time. It is just that what I described in #504 a bit over a week ago as a pattern happening often in Finland, repeated here on your forum a few hours ago, causing the derailment.
:palm:
I have to admit, as a tactic to get people to silence themselves, it does work. It definitely decreases my willingness to engage anyone on this general subject in the future. Not because of fear of cancellation, but just out of sheer disgust.
PlainName:
--- Quote from: EEVblog on March 18, 2023, 01:07:03 am ---
--- Quote from: vk6zgo on March 18, 2023, 12:36:16 am ---Mr Addams is either a victim or he is not, & we have had plenty of posts on both sides, but if we try somehow analysing the cause/s of his situation, the problem is it is difficult to stick to that topic when is it blends seamlessly into so many related ones.
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No need to analyse any of this, if you actually listen to him (which most people have not), he states repeatedly that he is not a victim, he's not complaining about what happened to him, and yes what he said was racists and that's the entire point of it. After the dust has settled it's clearly a political cancellation from the left. No one on the right/conserative side of politics has cancelled him, no black people have cancelled him, it was ultimately a political takedown because he has influence in politics. He knowingly offered up an opportunity to the political left to cancel him and they took it. They would have been dumb not to. That's politics.
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Well, I seem to have missed something important with this. Suppose I walk into a bank with a shotgun, tell them I am going to rob the place and the security guard shoots me (almost) dead. I then laugh in his face and tell him "Ha! I knew you would do that but I am not really a robber and pretended to be so only so you would shoot me. The laugh is on you!"
That's the kind of thing that comes across here: he isn't actually racist but made out he was just so the anti-racist crowd would have a go at him, which they did. And he thinks he scored something over them? Hmmm.
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