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Dilbert loses newspapers, publishers, distributor, and possibly its website
tooki:
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It’s frustrating — and thus tempting to respond to — to see so many conservative opinions and misrepresentations presented as fact, rather than opinion. But as soon as anyone attempts to debate the point, “it’s politics” (even though the original statements were, too…) and you tell us to stop, but then yourself go right back to reiterating the conservative claim/opinion.
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I don't care how Dave runs his forum, it's his forum, he can do what he want.
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Of course. I should have mentioned that my intent in my post above wasn’t to argue the politics, nor Dave’s right to run the forum how he sees fit, but to try and explain why the politics draw people back in, and why the topic may be more inherently political than he realizes.
--- Quote from: JohanH on March 18, 2023, 01:49:53 pm ---But I think the above statement by tooki should be thought of by more people. Just because a narrative is more common in some English speaking social media, doesn't mean that it should be used as a fact. A lot of people in other countries will react to the specifically American conservative opinions and narratives as strange, because they are not that common as some would like to believe.
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Yep. Terms that have become politicized can end up having very different meanings to different groups, and those meanings can change yet again when borrowed into other languages. (And then speakers of different languages may not realize they aren’t talking about the same thing.)
The problem I see here on eevblog is that the conservative usages (mostly in the context of outrage) are bandied about as if they were neutral terms, but they’re not — and thus political debates begin.
mendip_discovery:
I wish they had done more of the cartoon series. I quite enjoyed that.
The bit where his mum takes him to the doctors and the ahem Doctor says "I'm sorry but you son is an Engineer" had a good laugh from me. I have used it to explain some of the socially awkward engineers that I experience onsite. Every good company has one, usually a bit awkward, people often misunderstand them so get upset at what they say, but get them on a technical question and they really start to open up.
james_s:
--- Quote from: vk6zgo on March 18, 2023, 09:02:16 am ---
--- Quote from: james_s on March 18, 2023, 06:34:57 am ---
--- Quote from: vk6zgo on March 18, 2023, 04:00:39 am ---It seems that whereas others hear hoofbeats & say "Just horses", you think "Unicorns" & post great slabs of text to try to batter people into agreement with you.
When they maintain their disagreement, you accuse them of cancelling you.
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Where did he say anything about anyone cancelling him?
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Quoting him directly:-
"Not thru any action of my own, though, this time. It is just that what I described in #504 a bit over a week ago as a pattern happening often in Finland, repeated here on your forum a few hours ago, causing the derailment.
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I have to admit, as a tactic to get people to silence themselves, it does work. It definitely decreases my willingness to engage anyone on this general subject in the future. Not because of fear of cancellation, but just out of sheer disgust.
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I think you need to re-read that again. He said "NOT because of fear of cancellation". It seems that you read into it what you wanted it to say and not what it did say. He never said anyone was cancelling him.
james_s:
--- Quote from: JohanH on March 18, 2023, 01:49:53 pm ---I don't care how Dave runs his forum, it's his forum, he can do what he want. But I think the above statement by tooki should be thought of by more people. Just because a narrative is more common in some English speaking social media, doesn't mean that it should be used as a fact. A lot of people in other countries will react to the specifically American conservative opinions and narratives as strange, because they are not that common as some would like to believe.
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Define "conservative opinion".
I'm not a conservative, but on some topics I agree with those that are, on others I don't. What I struggle to deal with is the fact that for so many people there are two buckets that everyone gets shoehorned into. I'm not a member of a group, I'm an individual, there's one of me, no other person has quite exactly the same views and opinions across the board as I do. Free speech and not shunning someone for an opinion was never a conservative opinion until very recently. During the 1960s the counterculture (hippies) were fighting for the right to free speech and free expression and it was the conservatives that were all about conformity and tried to silence and shun those that didn't fit the mold. It kind of blindsided me to realize that our far left was the side engaging in this behavior now, I didn't see it coming, I considered myself very liberal throughout most of my life and only very recently realized that I barely recognize modern day liberalism. That still doesn't make me a conservative. I believe very strongly in individualism and personal freedom and very much dislike groupthink. That's something I always considered a very liberal viewpoint.
tooki:
There’s a lot to unpack there, james_s, but I’ve already been warned to stop talking politics in this thread so I dare not address the points, even though I’d like to.
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