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Dilbert loses newspapers, publishers, distributor, and possibly its website
tooki:
--- Quote from: EEVblog on March 19, 2023, 06:28:46 am ---Of course "cancel culture" involves "politics". But you can talk about "cancel culture" without dragging too much "politics" into it.
For example, people could talk about their personal experiences and how it's impacted them, their friends and collegues, their workplace, their career etc.
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I really don't think that is possible when the different political sides don't even believe the term to mean the same thing, as I explained (with sources) above. It's possible to discuss many things without involving politics, but it's basically impossible with extremely politically-loaded terms like "cancel culture".
Zero999:
--- Quote from: tooki on March 18, 2023, 01:36:33 pm ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on March 17, 2023, 11:55:08 pm ---Unfortunately it's going off the rails again. The problem with deleting posts is that you piss people off and they can potentially leave the forum in a huff. Yet I don't want to have to say "Please keep it on topic" every page. And I don't want to lock it. So :-//
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The problem is that as soon as you and others introduce (and keep using) the term “cancel culture” as a synonym for “censorship, vengeance, and oppression”, you’re using a partisan definition of the term, which inexorably draws politics into the mix.
See https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/08/17/how-americans-feel-about-cancel-culture-and-offensive-speech-in-6-charts/ ; I assume the results would be similar in other English speaking countries, too.
It’s frustrating — and thus tempting to respond to — to see so many conservative opinions and misrepresentations presented as fact, rather than opinion. But as soon as anyone attempts to debate the point, “it’s politics” (even though the original statements were, too…) and you tell us to stop, but then yourself go right back to reiterating the conservative claim/opinion.
The fact that Dilbert has/had large popularity among nerds does not, IMHO, justify a special exemption to the no-politics rule, given that the entire premise is inherently political.
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Those results are interesting. As a Brit, I've only ever heard of the term accountability, in relation to cancel culture in US left-leaning outlets and a minority of posters in this thread.
I suppose it's not surprising. It just proves cancel culture generally is in favour of the left and against the right. It's easy to support it and call it accountability, if it's not you who's being censored. Most Russains and Chinese government officials also support cancelling those who have expressed views contrary to those in power. They wouldn't call it censorship, but holding enemies of the people to account.
I have tried to look at it from both sides, but no one appeared to ackowledge me.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/newspapers-publishers-distributor-and-possibly-its-website-racist-remarks/msg4745585/#msg4745585
I can defintely see the point that companies and organisations should be free to choose who they associate themselves with, or employ and that I think most people would want to distance themselves from someone who's truely racist. The problem is the word has become so nebulus over the last decade. Some would consider thsoe who aren't down with BLM to be racists. The fact that companies and organisations face pressure from lef-wing activists to cancel those with "problematic" views is a big problem.
james_s:
--- Quote from: tooki on March 19, 2023, 03:37:36 pm ---I really don't think that is possible when the different political sides don't even believe the term to mean the same thing, as I explained (with sources) above. It's possible to discuss many things without involving politics, but it's basically impossible with extremely politically-loaded terms like "cancel culture".
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I thought the definition was pretty clear cut, cancel culture is bullying by mobs, for example demanding someone be cancelled rather than just simply not attending their speech and threatening consequences if they are not. Bullying, intimidation, threats of violence, etc. Some people seem to either pretend it is not happening, or find ways to justify it ("those people are evil, they deserve this treatment", etc) but what other definition is there? Or is "it doesn't exist, it's just a right wing talking point" considered a definition?
james_s:
--- Quote from: Zero999 on March 20, 2023, 11:02:37 am ---I can defintely see the point that companies and organisations should be free to choose who they associate themselves with, or employ and that I think most people would want to distance themselves from someone who's truely racist. The problem is the word has become so nebulus over the last decade. Some would consider thsoe who aren't down with BLM to be racists. The fact that companies and organisations face pressure from lef-wing activists to cancel those with "problematic" views is a big problem.
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The whole issue is the companies (or people) facing pressure part. If someone or some entity wants to cut ties with someone over their views, fine, but what we have been seeing lately is companies and individuals pressured by threat to distance themselves. There are a lot of people now that seem to believe that everyone and every organization should be forced to take a stand on an issue, remaining neutral or private on the matter is not an option, and that is some scary and very authoritarian behavior.
EEVblog:
--- Quote from: james_s on March 20, 2023, 05:11:05 pm ---The whole issue is the companies (or people) facing pressure part. If someone or some entity wants to cut ties with someone over their views, fine, but what we have been seeing lately is companies and individuals pressured by threat to distance themselves. There are a lot of people now that seem to believe that everyone and every organization should be forced to take a stand on an issue, remaining neutral or private on the matter is not an option, and that is some scary and very authoritarian behavior.
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And that's how "cancel culture" works.
And it's worse than that, as I've said before. You can have a company cancel you/your talk/whatever just for being associated with the wrong person.
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